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[jerrywest]

I stumbled into something interesting.

Teague is remarkably similar to Harris in measurments. Even twins are not so similar.

http://www.draftexpr...30&pos=1&sort=9

You'll find Devin Harris followed by Jeff Teague in the 20th and 21st line.

Although Harris's big head is 1.5 inches further from the ground than Teague's, their measurments are remarkably close. I don't know any other combo that is as close as these two.

Exactly same wingspan: 6'7.5"


Exactly same Reach: 8'2.5"


Exactly same No Step Vertical: 30.5"

Exactly same No Step Vertical Reach: 10'9"

Almost same in:

max Vert: Harris 37 Teague 36.5"

max Vert reach: Harris 11'3.5", Teague 11'3"

Agility: Harris 11.03 Teague 11.05

Sprint: Harris 3.19 Teague 3.18

Weight: Teague is +5 lb.

The only significant difference is that Teague is much stronger than Harris was. Teague bench pressed 13 times, but Harris could do it only 5 times. Actually Teagues seems much stronger than many big and strong guards (sort by bench). Acie Law only had 8 and Rose had 10. Wade 9 and big Stuckey 14.

LOL - Amare,JJ,Marvin,Smoove bench pressed 12 times.

With that kind of strength Teague might be able to guard shooting guards and play effective defense next to Crawford who is a bad defender on shooting guards but an adequate defender on point guards. Since Crawford+Bibby combo would be one of the worst defensive combo ever, Teague's strength might be the key that will help him stay out of Woody's dog house next year.

[TeagueForMVP]

dam that 13 benches is goin to make a diffrence
didnt know he was dat strong
hopefully he gets better than harris

dam that 13 benches is goin to make a diffrence
didnt know he was dat strong
hopefully he gets better than harris

[frankthetank966]

If teague plays similarly to Harris I will be a happy camper.

p.s. I signed harris in the off-season in my 2k9 game and he fits the hawks system really well. he is athletic and can move the ball.

[DrReality]

I think Sekou made a reference to Harris and that he thought Teague could turn out similar to him. That would be sweet.

[Cwell]

frankthetank966, on 20 August 2009 - 10:24 PM, said:

If teague plays similarly to Harris I will be a happy camper.

p.s. I signed harris in the off-season in my 2k9 game and he fits the hawks system really well. he is athletic and can move the ball.

lol its a video game. I signed Donte Greene to replace Mo at backup SF and he ended up taking Marvins job and ends up putting up like 29 points every game. He's money on jumpers,mid range and long range. His release is easy to use. heck DAndre Jordan made me trade Horford

Edited by Cwell, 21 August 2009 - 08:39 AM.

[AHF]

jerrywest, on 20 August 2009 - 09:52 PM, said:

The only significant difference is that Teague is much stronger than Harris was. Teague bench pressed 13 times, but Harris could do it only 5 times. Actually Teagues seems much stronger than many big and strong guards (sort by bench). Acie Law only had 8 and Rose had 10. Wade 9 and big Stuckey 14.

LOL - Amare,JJ,Marvin,Smoove bench pressed 12 times.

With that kind of strength Teague might be able to guard shooting guards and play effective defense next to Crawford who is a bad defender on shooting guards but an adequate defender on point guards. Since Crawford+Bibby combo would be one of the worst defensive combo ever, Teague's strength might be the key that will help him stay out of Woody's dog house next year.

I think that is really overstating the strength component. Guards usually do best on the bench press because the longer the arms of the player, the harder it is to do a bench press. I would not remotely expect Teague to be able to guard most SGs in the NBA.

[jerrywest]

AHF, on 21 August 2009 - 09:51 AM, said:

I think that is really overstating the strength component. Guards usually do best on the bench press because the longer the arms of the player, the harder it is to do a bench press. I would not remotely expect Teague to be able to guard most SGs in the NBA.

Teagues arms are long. Although he is 1.5" shorter than Harris, his arms are so long that he makes it up in all the measurements. I guess even with shorter arms Harris bench pressed much less than Teague. Your observation suggests that the strength difference is even bigger than the number here.

If you sort all top 30 picks by "bench", you'll see that big guys bench press much better than the small guys. No one under 6-3 are in the top 20.

I see a pattern with age though, naturally. I think that is the reason Amare/Josh had 12. Marvin has those unusually long arms.

Teague's wingspan is 1" bigger than Acie. He has better measurments than many point guards and shooting guards who routinely guard shooting guards.

Edited by jerrywest, 21 August 2009 - 10:14 AM.

[AHF]

jerrywest, on 21 August 2009 - 10:10 AM, said:

Teagues arms are long. Although he is 1.5" shorter than Harris, his arms are so long that he makes it up in all the measurements. I guess even with shorter arms Harris bench pressed much less than Teague. Your observation suggests that the strength difference is even bigger than the number here.

Teague is much stronger than Devin Harris who is a skinny PG who couldn't guard a SG if his life depended on it. I don't think you can envision Teague checking guys like Joe Johnson, Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, JR Smith, etc.

He just doesn't have the size to lead me to expect he can defend the SG spot.

[jy23]

I don't care about the strength, the thing that has me happy is the speed. Harris is quick, very quick, and if teague is around the same then that is going to be GREAT! I don't know if he's as fast with the ball (which is really what matters) but right now it looks good!

[BusBoyIsBack]

jy21, on 21 August 2009 - 10:44 AM, said:

I don't care about the strength, the thing that has me happy is the speed. Harris is quick, very quick, and if teague is around the same then that is going to be GREAT! I don't know if he's as fast with the ball (which is really what matters) but right now it looks good!

If Jeff Teague is even close to as quick off the dribble as Devin Harris is, then this team will be legit contenders in a couple years. He just has to work on shooting just like Harris did which is why he really took his game to another level

[gsuteke]

jerrywest, on 20 August 2009 - 09:52 PM, said:

The only significant difference is that Teague is much stronger than Harris was. Teague bench pressed 13 times, but Harris could do it only 5 times. Actually Teagues seems much stronger than many big and strong guards (sort by bench). Acie Law only had 8 and Rose had 10. Wade 9 and big Stuckey 14.

LOL - Amare,JJ,Marvin,Smoove bench pressed 12 times.

With that kind of strength Teague might be able to guard shooting guards and play effective defense next to Crawford who is a bad defender on shooting guards but an adequate defender on point guards. Since Crawford+Bibby combo would be one of the worst defensive combo ever, Teague's strength might be the key that will help him stay out of Woody's dog house next year.

They're pushing 225, right?

[jerrywest]

AHF, on 21 August 2009 - 10:31 AM, said:

Teague is much stronger than Devin Harris who is a skinny PG who couldn't guard a SG if his life depended on it. I don't think you can envision Teague checking guys like Joe Johnson, Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, JR Smith, etc.

He just doesn't have the size to lead me to expect he can defend the SG spot.

We all knew Teague is super quick, but I, at least, didn't realize how strong he is. We really needed a strong point guard to play with weak Crawford, a superior shooting guard who is much better at guarding point guards. I think Bibby+Crawford is a defensive disaster.

What gets me excited is that I can see Crawford+Teague combo might work on the defensive end. I don't think Teague or Crawford or just about any point guard can guard the bulldog shooting guards of the NBA, but they can play adequate on the back up shooting guards. On the offensive end Teague+Crawford will light up just about any combo backups in the NBA.

I can see all combinations of JJ/Bibby/Crawford/Mo/Teague work well on the defensive end except Bibby/Crawford. Until I realized Teague is bigger and stronger than his height, I thought our back court has too many combinations that do not work. Now I know why the Hawks aren't looking for a 3rd/4th string point guard.

Edited by jerrywest, 21 August 2009 - 11:22 AM.

[Johnnybravo4]

AHF, on 21 August 2009 - 09:51 AM, said:

I think that is really overstating the strength component. Guards usually do best on the bench press because the longer the arms of the player, the harder it is to do a bench press. I would not remotely expect Teague to be able to guard most SGs in the NBA.

You know that is a myth right? Many offensive lineman in the NFL are well over 6'4 and if you ever see the worlds strongest man competitions, they are usually in the 6'3 to 6'6 range. In a bench press, the arms are tertiary. The shoulders and pectorals do most of the work.

[DrReality]

Teague's quickness is a huge asset because we typically get lit up by quick pg's. Be nice to have someone who can stay with them.

[jy23]

DrReality, on 21 August 2009 - 12:48 PM, said:

Teague's quickness is a huge asset because we typically get lit up by quick pg's. Be nice to have someone who can stay with them.

You're so right, Parker kills us all the time. Having someone with quickness like that is going to help out SO much