[MVP23]

After a having the week of his life a few weeks back, he has went into his shell again. Diesel, quick, start a Marvin hate thread so he can read it, and get his mojo back..


Seriously, what happened before then and now?

[Colin]

He doesn't get a chance to get involved in the offense.

He shot 3-4.

There just weren't any plays for him, and we played a big team, so he didn't have many opportunities for offensive rebounds and putbacks.

[DJlaysitup]

Colin, on 11 March 2010 - 09:52 PM, said:

He doesn't get a chance to get involved in the offense.

He shot 3-4.

There just weren't any plays for him, and we played a big team, so he didn't have many opportunities for offensive rebounds and putbacks.

Yep, Marvin did OK - plus that 3 pointer to end the half was cool.

[Diesel]

MVP23, on 11 March 2010 - 09:44 PM, said:

After a having the week of his life a few weeks back, he has went into his shell again. Diesel, quick, start a Marvin hate thread so he can read it, and get his mojo back..


Seriously, what happened before then and now?

Uhm... Like we told you a few weeks back. Marvin has his annual play good for a few games and then it's back to nothing.

He starts. Plays 32 minutes and he brings home 8 points and 3 rebounds...

NON-Productive.

[GameTime]

Colin, on 11 March 2010 - 09:52 PM, said:

He doesn't get a chance to get involved in the offense.

Joe Smith had more shots in 8 minutes than Marvin did in 32.

Its not that Marvin doesn't get involved.

Its Marvin doesn't want to get involved.

These Marvin apologists need to stop.

He's not producing because he doesn't want to.

This post has been edited by GameTime: 11 March 2010 - 10:36 PM

[Colin]

GameTime, on 11 March 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Joe Smith had more shots in 8 minutes than Marvin did in 32.

Its not that Marvin doesn't get involved.

Its Marvin doesn't want to get involved.

These Marvin apologists need to stop.

He's not producing because he doesn't want to.

Stop lying to yourself. When Joe Smith is on the floor, he gets more opportunities than Marvin does.

Joe Smith shoots whenever he gets an opening, whether it is the right shot or not. Marvin plays within himself, doesn't help or hurt the team with his timidity in most cases, and takes open shots.

[exodus]

Diesel, on 11 March 2010 - 10:30 PM, said:

Uhm... Like we told you a few weeks back. Marvin has his annual play good for a few games and then it's back to nothing.

He starts. Plays 32 minutes and he brings home 8 points and 3 rebounds...

NON-Productive.

How did your boy Thornton do?

[DJlaysitup]

Colin, on 11 March 2010 - 10:39 PM, said:

Marvin plays within himself, doesn't help or hurt the team with his timidity in most cases, and takes open shots.

Problem is - when Marvin plays "within himself" it can be a fairly small place.

...and that's not meant to be a joke. Marvin just doesn't seem to have much ambition. He seems to be happy as a 'go along" guy and only puts out when seriously challenged. I think Woody laid down the gauntlet a few games back when he said he would start big Z. Somebody probably had to tell Marvin that it would mean Smoove would be the starting SF. Marvin got his butt in gear for a few games.

This is a guess (after watching for awhile), but I don't think Marvin really likes having his butt in gear. I think he likes to play decent defense with his natural talent, not work too hard on the game, and let others do the heavy lifting.

[volman]

exodus, on 11 March 2010 - 11:09 PM, said:

How did your boy Thornton do?

This.

[jhay610]

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This post has been edited by jhay610: 12 March 2010 - 04:38 AM

[Diesel]

exodus, on 11 March 2010 - 11:09 PM, said:

How did your boy Thornton do?

Bout the same as Marvin, except he got 7 boards to Marvin's 3.

[Diesel]

DJlaysitup, on 11 March 2010 - 11:39 PM, said:

Problem is - when Marvin plays "within himself" it can be a fairly small place.

...and that's not meant to be a joke. Marvin just doesn't seem to have much ambition. He seems to be happy as a 'go along" guy and only puts out when seriously challenged. I think Woody laid down the gauntlet a few games back when he said he would start big Z. Somebody probably had to tell Marvin that it would mean Smoove would be the starting SF. Marvin got his butt in gear for a few games.

This is a guess (after watching for awhile), but I don't think Marvin really likes having his butt in gear. I think he likes to play decent defense with his natural talent, not work too hard on the game, and let others do the heavy lifting.

Yep.
Marvin is a coaster. He doesn't want to do the heavy lifting. This is evident in all of his previous stops. Why was he on the bench in UNC? There's not a UNC rule, I have seen Roy Williams start plenty of freshmen... Dating back to his Kansas days when he had Adonis Jordan. I think Roy knew that Marvin didn't have the ambition to do much so he posted Marvin on the bench and let him come in behind Jawad. Whereas Marvin had more potential than Jawad, Jawad wanted it more.

[drzachary]

GameTime, on 11 March 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Joe Smith had more shots in 8 minutes than Marvin did in 32.

Its not that Marvin doesn't get involved.

Its Marvin doesn't want to get involved.

These Marvin apologists need to stop.

He's not producing because he doesn't want to.

He doesn't *want* to produce? That's just ridiculous. I'm sure he wants to be a great player; who doesn't?

[Diesel]

drzachary, on 12 March 2010 - 09:30 AM, said:

He doesn't *want* to produce? That's just ridiculous. I'm sure he wants to be a great player; who doesn't?

I got a snippet from an interview Marvin gave a few months back....

""There's been no balance," Williams said Tuesday. "I've either been way up here or way down here."

Williams scored 29 against Houston on 13-for-19 shooting. He was 1 for 7 against Dallas, the game he collected 15 boards.

"I've been so inconsistent. It's tough," he said. However, "the one thing about me is that I can affect the game [in ways] other than just scoring."

His struggles are not due to a lack of preparation. He is among the most dutiful players in post-practice shooting. Williams said he wants to play more aggressively, whether he scores or not.

Playing aggressively, he said, "You may score seven points. Another night, you may bring that same mentality and you may have [29] like I did the other night. You just never know. It's that mindset of being aggressive every night."


We talk about Wants...

However, playing more aggressively is like Yoda said.. Do or NOT do. You either do it or you don't. You don't get points for talking about you want to play more aggressively... WTF is that?

[hoopinion]

Diesel, on 12 March 2010 - 05:39 AM, said:

Yep.
Marvin is a coaster. He doesn't want to do the heavy lifting. This is evident in all of his previous stops. Why was he on the bench in UNC? There's not a UNC rule, I have seen Roy Williams start plenty of freshmen... Dating back to his Kansas days when he had Adonis Jordan. I think Roy knew that Marvin didn't have the ambition to do much so he posted Marvin on the bench and let him come in behind Jawad. Whereas Marvin had more potential than Jawad, Jawad wanted it more.

Though your general point is true, Adonis Jordan in particular barely saw the floor outside of garbage time his freshman year while backing up Kevin Pritchard.