OK,
Here's the deal. I think a lot of you believe that this season is Mike Woodson season 7. Fellas (and Ladies) we have a new coach. Every player is talking about how things are different and how they will change. Yet, the fanbase here seems unconvinced. We seem to be measuring the Hawks by the same ruler, with the same hopes.
So here's the Diesel Challenge of the Day.
Jump in and make your bold prediction.
Will the Hawks be better, worse, or the same?
IF we are better, it was Woody.
If we are worse, Woody is not that bad.
If we're the same, it's the players.
0
Have we been so conditioned?
Started by Diesel, Sep 05 2010 06:04 PM
19 replies to this topic
#1
-
- Squawk Supporter
-
- Join Date: 08-June 02
- Post Count: 35,365
Deputy Commissioner
- Gender:Male
- Location: Parts Unknown
Posted 05 September 2010 - 06:04 PM
#2
-
- Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 26-December 07
- Post Count: 234
Rookie
Posted 05 September 2010 - 06:51 PM
I actually think the Hawks will be better this season but I don't think it will reflect on their Win/Loss Record. I think other teams in the Eastern Conference are also getting better which will make the competition much stronger this year for the Hawks. I think the Hawks will be more physical this year thanks to some of their roster additions and I also think Coach Drew will bring a refreshing new attitude to the players. I am predicting the Hawks to finish 4th in the Eastern Conference but I think they will play much more competitively against some of the teams including the Magic but I have no idea how they (or, any other NBA Team) will play against the Heat.
#3
-
- Banned
-
- Join Date: 05-July 10
- Post Count: 91
Summer League
- Gender:Male
Posted 05 September 2010 - 06:58 PM
My guess is somewhat worse, although I hope I am wrong. It's what they will do on the defensive end that has me worried. If a defense-first coach (Woody) couldn't get them to buy into defense, one has to wonder about a coach who has done nothing but talk about offense.
Assuming the defense is on par with last season, this proposed "new offense" could be quite helpful in late-game situations---especially on the road. But if the defense isn't there, there's nothing the new offense can do to win road games.
It's all about the road! Teams that don't win on the road (circa 25+ games) rarely advance very far in the playoffs. This season the Hawks play only 41 meaningful games to me. The road games. I believe their record in these 41 games will be a great indicator of how we all feel about the team next June.
CS
Assuming the defense is on par with last season, this proposed "new offense" could be quite helpful in late-game situations---especially on the road. But if the defense isn't there, there's nothing the new offense can do to win road games.
It's all about the road! Teams that don't win on the road (circa 25+ games) rarely advance very far in the playoffs. This season the Hawks play only 41 meaningful games to me. The road games. I believe their record in these 41 games will be a great indicator of how we all feel about the team next June.
CS
#4
-
- Political Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 24-February 06
- Post Count: 1,566
Starter
- Gender:Male
- Location: Columbus, OH
-
Interests:
Atlanta Hawks, Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Reds, Ohio State, XBox 360, Golf, Cooking - Fan since:1985
Hawks24
Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:04 PM
Diesel, on 05 September 2010 - 06:04 PM, said:
OK,
Here's the deal. I think a lot of you believe that this season is Mike Woodson season 7. Fellas (and Ladies) we have a new coach. Every player is talking about how things are different and how they will change. Yet, the fanbase here seems unconvinced. We seem to be measuring the Hawks by the same ruler, with the same hopes.
So here's the Diesel Challenge of the Day.
Jump in and make your bold prediction.
Will the Hawks be better, worse, or the same?
IF we are better, it was Woody.
If we are worse, Woody is not that bad.
If we're the same, it's the players.
Here's the deal. I think a lot of you believe that this season is Mike Woodson season 7. Fellas (and Ladies) we have a new coach. Every player is talking about how things are different and how they will change. Yet, the fanbase here seems unconvinced. We seem to be measuring the Hawks by the same ruler, with the same hopes.
So here's the Diesel Challenge of the Day.
Jump in and make your bold prediction.
Will the Hawks be better, worse, or the same?
IF we are better, it was Woody.
If we are worse, Woody is not that bad.
If we're the same, it's the players.
#5
-
- Squawk Supporter
-
- Join Date: 05-October 05
- Post Count: 2,771
All-Star
- Gender:Male
- Location: The SWAT
Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:16 PM
Better.
The change in atmosphere will be for the better. LD will install a system with accountability and camaraderie. Guys wil now both challenge themselves and each other to make the system work. The effective leaders will evolve (Al and Jamal) and LD will push neccessary buttons. LD will be able because management has to support him as so their decision (LD over others) was correct. Guys will understand the trade deadline really has meaning for any number of them. If guys do not stand up and account, they will sit. I believe.
The change in atmosphere will be for the better. LD will install a system with accountability and camaraderie. Guys wil now both challenge themselves and each other to make the system work. The effective leaders will evolve (Al and Jamal) and LD will push neccessary buttons. LD will be able because management has to support him as so their decision (LD over others) was correct. Guys will understand the trade deadline really has meaning for any number of them. If guys do not stand up and account, they will sit. I believe.
#6
-
- Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 28-November 06
- Post Count: 4,332
All-Star
- Gender:Male
- Location: Washington DC
-
Interests:
Politics, IT, Sports, Museums, Trying new restaurants and exercising at the gym. - Fan since:1994
Posted 06 September 2010 - 01:20 AM
We will be better and we will win more games. The problem is the post-season.
#7
-
- Political Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 03-July 02
- Post Count: 1,740
Role Player
- Gender:Male
Posted 06 September 2010 - 04:00 AM
Here me out.
Cleveland, decidedly worse. Orlando the same. Miami better but different. Washington, better because they're healthy. Chicago better, New Jersey, New York better, Boston a bit worse because of age.
But how much does that affect our win loss total. We were 17-12 against these teams (I think I might be missing a game). That's hardly stellar but there were a number of losses in there we should not have taken. You have to think we could sweep Cleveland this year and just because a few of these teams are better doesn't mean they'll improve their win total against us. Specifically, New York and New jersey both got wins against us.
I'll go out on a limb and say the Hawks finish 56-26 barring major injuries.
Cleveland, decidedly worse. Orlando the same. Miami better but different. Washington, better because they're healthy. Chicago better, New Jersey, New York better, Boston a bit worse because of age.
But how much does that affect our win loss total. We were 17-12 against these teams (I think I might be missing a game). That's hardly stellar but there were a number of losses in there we should not have taken. You have to think we could sweep Cleveland this year and just because a few of these teams are better doesn't mean they'll improve their win total against us. Specifically, New York and New jersey both got wins against us.
I'll go out on a limb and say the Hawks finish 56-26 barring major injuries.
#8
-
- Squawk Supporter
-
- Join Date: 08-June 02
- Post Count: 4,656
Hawksquawk Elder
- Gender:Male
- Location: Hayesville, N.C.
-
Interests:
Oldest know Hawksquawker.
New Author
"Moses' Rod"
http://www.
authorhouse.com/ - Fan since:1950
Posted 06 September 2010 - 06:51 AM
It may take a while. New stuff doesn't just happen. Players must learn.
This can mean we won't be as good early in the season but better in the later part of the season.
Defense. The things they learned won't just go away. They still know something about defense.
No doubt there will be some things different and adjustments to be made, but it will be there.
Hawks will lose some easy games that they should win. They will win some tough games that
no one believed they could win. This happens every season and this year will be no different.
One team, with all it's super stars, are expected to go 82-0 and sweep in all their playoff games.
A team with a .500 record, 41-41, should make the 8th seed. 46-36 sounds about right.
This year's team, until they meet the 82-0 team in the playoffs, should emerge as winners.
GO HAWKS
This can mean we won't be as good early in the season but better in the later part of the season.
Defense. The things they learned won't just go away. They still know something about defense.
No doubt there will be some things different and adjustments to be made, but it will be there.
Hawks will lose some easy games that they should win. They will win some tough games that
no one believed they could win. This happens every season and this year will be no different.
One team, with all it's super stars, are expected to go 82-0 and sweep in all their playoff games.
A team with a .500 record, 41-41, should make the 8th seed. 46-36 sounds about right.
This year's team, until they meet the 82-0 team in the playoffs, should emerge as winners.
GO HAWKS
#9
-
- Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 11-January 05
- Post Count: 3,417
All-Star
- Gender:Male
Posted 06 September 2010 - 08:14 AM
The Hawks win more games because of better coaching and a better bench.
Edited by Peoriabird, 06 September 2010 - 08:14 AM.
#10
-
- Squawk Supporter
-
- Join Date: 24-October 08
- Post Count: 3,035
All-Star
- Gender:Male
- Location: WestCyde - HowHell Mill
Posted 06 September 2010 - 09:33 AM
Better team, worse regular-season record.
~lw3
~lw3
#11
-
- Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 05-June 07
- Post Count: 1,396
Starter
- Location: Guess
Posted 06 September 2010 - 12:59 PM
The Hawks have what it takes to compete with the elite, mainly Orlando's the problem since we have a hard time thinking of a strategy to contain Dwight. Now that Woodson's gone and hopefully LD will utilize the bench more, I can see the Hawks have team that's less frustrating to watch. We'll know better once we see a few games from them.
#12
-
- Political Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 11-November 03
- Post Count: 3,275
Starter
- Gender:Male
Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:30 AM
Who knows if we will have a better record but i predict we won't be getting blown out the way we saw sometimes in the past.
As far as the east getting better you have to remember that every year one or two teams just totally fail. Last year the wiz, raptors, 76ers just failed despite a bunch of preseason hype or hope anyway.
That could be the Hawks but i don't think so.
As far as the east getting better you have to remember that every year one or two teams just totally fail. Last year the wiz, raptors, 76ers just failed despite a bunch of preseason hype or hope anyway.
That could be the Hawks but i don't think so.
#13
-
- Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 23-August 05
- Post Count: 5,040
Hall of Fame
- Gender:Male
- Fan since:1984
Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:02 AM
If this team wins less than 47 games this season ( if our core guys stay healthy ), something has gone terribly wrong with the Hawks.
I'll say 51 wins, if we stay healthy, and 4th in the East.
The only reason this team will fall off, is if they don't totally buy into, or simply can't run Drew's offensive and defensive systems.
We played about as well as we could at home, by winning 34 games. So for the Hawks to post a better record this season, we either need to become the best home team in the league, or start winning more road games.
And to me, that will be the REAL indication that we're a better team . . . winning more road games.
I mean, if we're not winning 50 games, this team is probably still having major problems on the road . . which means that something is amiss somewhere.
People erroneously look at the Celtics, and feel that the Hawks can do what they did. But people forget that the Celtics started the season RED HOT . . before the injuries started. Once they got everybody back healthy, they became a dominant defensive team once again.
I'll say 51 wins, if we stay healthy, and 4th in the East.
The only reason this team will fall off, is if they don't totally buy into, or simply can't run Drew's offensive and defensive systems.
We played about as well as we could at home, by winning 34 games. So for the Hawks to post a better record this season, we either need to become the best home team in the league, or start winning more road games.
And to me, that will be the REAL indication that we're a better team . . . winning more road games.
I mean, if we're not winning 50 games, this team is probably still having major problems on the road . . which means that something is amiss somewhere.
People erroneously look at the Celtics, and feel that the Hawks can do what they did. But people forget that the Celtics started the season RED HOT . . before the injuries started. Once they got everybody back healthy, they became a dominant defensive team once again.
#14
-
- Squawkers
-
- Join Date: 23-August 05
- Post Count: 5,040
Hall of Fame
- Gender:Male
- Fan since:1984
Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:17 AM
I just don't get the logic of . ."we might lose more, but we'll be a better team". I guess the hope is that the Hawks can finish the 2nd half of the season as a team clicking on all cylinders. Problem is, we can't start off too slow. If we do, we're playing @ Orlando, Boston, and Miami in the 1st round, instead of in the 2nd round.
As Bill Parcells once said . . "you are what your record says you are".
A 45 - 48 win Hawks team is in GRAVE DANGER of getting bounced in the 1st round. We'll see how good of a season people thought we had at that point.
As Bill Parcells once said . . "you are what your record says you are".
A 45 - 48 win Hawks team is in GRAVE DANGER of getting bounced in the 1st round. We'll see how good of a season people thought we had at that point.
#15
-
- Squawk Supporter
-
- Join Date: 08-June 02
- Post Count: 35,365
Deputy Commissioner
- Gender:Male
- Location: Parts Unknown
Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:51 AM
northcyde, on 07 September 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:
I just don't get the logic of . ."we might lose more, but we'll be a better team". I guess the hope is that the Hawks can finish the 2nd half of the season as a team clicking on all cylinders. Problem is, we can't start off too slow. If we do, we're playing @ Orlando, Boston, and Miami in the 1st round, instead of in the 2nd round.
As Bill Parcells once said . . "you are what your record says you are".
A 45 - 48 win Hawks team is in GRAVE DANGER of getting bounced in the 1st round. We'll see how good of a season people thought we had at that point.
As Bill Parcells once said . . "you are what your record says you are".
A 45 - 48 win Hawks team is in GRAVE DANGER of getting bounced in the 1st round. We'll see how good of a season people thought we had at that point.
I have to disagree with the great Tuna.
In football, you're what you're record says because they only have 17 games.
Basketball is an 82 game season. The first 41, you can be 10-31. The last 41 you can be 32-9. Overall 42-40, but if a team is coming in 32-9, I don't think of them as being an average team.
Reply to this topic
1 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users
