• Pistons at Hawks

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    lethalweapon3

     

    “I like to KICK… STRRRRRRETCH… aaannd KICK!”

     

    It’s time to renew that all-time great NBA rivalry… Fort Wayne versus St. Louis!

    Imagine if the industrialist owners of those 50s-era NBA midwestern franchises were just a tad bit more civic-minded. We’d never know for sure, but while we NBA fans might indeed be watching Detroit versus Atlanta tonight at State Farm Arena (7:30 PM Eastern, Fox Sports Southeast and 92.9 FM in ATL), we could very well find ourselves rooting for expansion franchises.

    The Pistons are the Pistons because the top gadgets supplied to the automotive industry were cranking out of a foundry run by Fort Wayne’s Zollner Machine Works. The NBL team was branded by company executive Fred Zollner’s family as the Zollner Pistons, and the cagers brought multiple championships to the northeast Indiana city, prior to the BAA merger in the 1940s. It was Fred who was known as “Mr. Pro Basketball”.

    The Pistons came close to claiming back-to-back NBA titles in the 1950s, falling in the Finals to the (Philly) Warriors, the (Minny) Lakers and, probably, some (Greedy) point shavers. It was the Fort Wayne-versus-Minneapolis 19-18 stall-fest, in 1950, that would soon usher in the shotclock era. Around Indiana, it was reasonable to project that their Pistons would soon overtake those Lakers as the NBA’s next dynasty.

    Allen County built War Memorial Coliseum (probably a favorite venue of the late George Carlin) on the outskirts of its county seat in 1952 to keep the Pistons around, and the arena hosted the 1953 All-Star Game. Yet not even five years after getting into his new palace, Zollner was ready to high-tail it out of town.

    The Hawks’ town-trotting owner, Ben Kerner, felt Milwaukee wasn’t big enough of a beertown to support the brave new world of high-scoring NBA hoops, bailing for St. Louis in 1955 after just four years in America’s Dairyland. Zollner was watching closely, and it wasn’t long before he announced a move from Motor Parts City to the Motor City itself. The decision was questionable, since a decade before, Detroit clubs in both the BAA and the NBL folded. Is Detroit even a basketball town, like Fort Wayne?

    I imagine some disaffected Hoosier shifting his fandom to the Hawks after the 1957 move out of Fort Wayne. To continue supporting Midwestern pro hoops, it was either that, or root for the Royals who just relocated that same year to Cincy themselves. Otherwise he’d have to settle cheering for Minneapolis, and nobody likes the Lakers. At least St. Louis, he’d reason, looks like they’re not headed anywhere soon.

    No matter whether their teams were winning from one season to the next, Kerner and Zollner each struggled to keep the teams profitable in their new NBA locales. Zollner eventually sold the franchise to Bill Davidson, who kept the Pistons in (and mostly around) Detroit for the ensuing four decades. Revenue for Kerner’s Hawks stagnated after winning the 1958 NBA title in St. Louis, and no enterprising locals were willing to let him off the hook. He did find some takers, though, in recent Georgia governor Carl Sanders, and Atlanta-area real estate developer Thomas Cousins.

    Pro sports was off to a rocky start in Atlanta in the 1960s, in part due the tumultuous race relations that percolated at the time. But the continued success of Henry Aaron with the Braves facilitated the race to establish Atlanta as the Deep South’s first major-league city.

    Fifty years ago, Loving v. Virginia was perceived as the harbinger of some kind of national crisis. Tonight, people will spend their Friday nights sharing arm rests regardless of their background, while multi-racial Oklahoma Sooner legends Blake Griffin and Trae Young trade baskets.

    As competitors both franchises were stuck in neutral for decades, before the Pistons surpassing the Hawks by winning NBA titles in 1989, 1990 and 2004. But throughout their tenure in Motown, the Pistons have seemed like the NBA’s Club Castoff. Largely, a team accustomed to making-do with players other teams had already given up on.

    As sad-sack as the Cleveland Cavaliers of the early 1980s were, couldn’t find a steady role for Bill Laimbeer, and they couldn’t foresee a future with coach Chuck Daly. Orlando saw more of a chance at a championship-winning future with Grant Hill, and the Magic were more than happy to part ways with Ben Wallace in order to grab for the brass ring.

    Same deal with the Wizards, who couldn’t believe their luck when Detroit was willing to hand them All-Star Jerry Stackhouse in 2002 for the low-low price of Rip Hamilton. Portland had to shed their JailBlazers notoriety, so Rasheed Wallace found himself getting passed around.

    Pistons got three NBA trophies for making smart moves and draft decisions to accompany these acquisitions. But the strategy doesn’t always work out, as those who recall Joe Dumars bidding against himself for Josh Smith’s services can attest. In 2018, with current owner Tom Gores’ team formally back in town, his new management is trying the same tack. Gores put ex-Sixers executive Ed Stefanski in charge of stewing the Pistons Potluck for a new generation.

    Stefanski was with Toronto back in 2011, when that club gave Dwane Casey a shot to coach. Last season’s NBA Coach of the Year found himself washed ashore after his Raptors got Thanos’d in the playoffs yet again by LeBron James. The votes Casey earned for that coaching honor was attributed to first-place Toronto’s offensive resurgence, something Raptors management now entrusts to his successor and ex-assistant, Nick Nurse.

    Casey has been directed to eventually replicate that success, with a new set of staff, for a Detroit franchise that hasn’t seen much of a functional offense since the 2007-08 Flip Saunders-led team bowed out of the Eastern Conference Finals. He and the Pistons are turning to the mammoth Andre Drummond (18.9 PPG, NBA-high 16.6 RPG) and a slew of castoffs headlined by Griffin (career-high 27.3 PPG, 40.7 3FG%, 10.7 RPG).

    Blake’s star shone brightly in making the Clippers the surprise marquee club in L.A. for a half-decade. But with his injuries and dwindling assertiveness, the Clips were looking for an out, in hopes of spending Steve Ballmer’s cash on some future superstar instead. In mid-season last year, Detroit was more than happy to take in both him and his freshly-inked multi-year contract ($39 million in 2021-22, the season he turns 33 years of age).

    The NBA’s 29 other teams, including the Oklahoma City Thunder for obvious reasons, where unwilling to give shoot-first, shoot-next, shoot-last point guard Reggie Jackson a shot at scratching out an All-Star career as a lead ballhandler. The Pistons were the exception. Now with Casey at the bat, Detroit has to craft a gameplan where Jackson (3.7 APG, lowest since his 2012-13 season as a Thunder reserve) and the big men all share the ball, and a cast of role players all chip in to make the trio’s lives easier. If that sounds like a big challenge, that’s because it is proving to be one.

    The Pistons (5-5) squandered a 4-0 start to this season, dropping five straight games before escaping Orlando with a 103-96 win on Wednesday. Edging a Ben Simmons-less Sixers team at home, in a 133-132 overtime win over two weeks ago, is perhaps the signature victory thus far.

    After years of entrusting DeAndre Jordan to patrol the paint, Griffin isn’t fond of Drummond’s interest in expanding his range beyond the three-point line. The spread floor, in Blake’s estimation, only makes it more likely he’ll face double teams on his post-ups and forays to the hoop. The more pressing issue is that Griffin’s teammates aren’t scoring much from long distance, either.

    Detroit’s 30.5 3FG% has them ranked next-to-last in the NBA, with Griffin the sole Piston popping above a 35 percent clip. Getting Ish Smith (33.3%), Jackson (30.4%), Langston Galloway (29.3%) and Reggie Bullock (23.3%; 44.5% last season, 2nd in NBA) unstuck would do wonders for this offense (NBA-low 47.9 eFG%), although some of that requires more mindful inside-out play from both Griffin and Drummond.

    The Piston defense has been solid but front-heavy, as it is too reliant on Drummond, the sole player averaging at least one steal and one block per contest, barely (1.0 SPG, 1.3 BPG). They’re heavily reliant on Stanley Johnson and rookie Bruce Brown contesting shots and drives well from the wing, a strategy that doesn’t work when their opponents get hot.

    Fortunately for the Pistons, their opponent tonight is the Hawks, who struggle to string together two or more productive possessions on offense (17.7 TO%, 29th in NBA; 21st in 3FG%, 24th in FT%). Rookie guard Trae Young will need better movement and execution out of Taurean Prince, the marquee for tonight’s 50 Years in Atlanta celebration, who returns to the starting lineup, as well as Kent Bazemore.

    A combined 4-for-24 on threes during Wednesday’s 112-107 loss to the Knicks, none of that trio of Hawks stood out in a good way until it was too late for Atlanta to dig out of another unnecessarily large second-half hole. The Hawks’ Net Rating in 3rd quarters is an atrocious minus-25.9, and no other club is as bad as Chicago’s minus-12.9.

    The Pistons would love to feel sorry for Atlanta, but they have their own troubles getting off the blocks to start games (minus-13.6 Net Rating in first quarters, 29th in NBA). The team that shakes out of their doldrums after leaving the locker room is likely to be the one with something to cheer when they return to the tunnels.

    As new Piston and recent NBA champion Zaza Pachulia once said, “Nothing easy!” With exception to a couple noteworthy eras, it has not been a simple task for either of the Hawks or the Pistons to sustain competitive success over much of their five decades in their respective NBA towns.

    But unlike Detroit, Atlanta isn’t satisfied with the approach of cobbling together unwanted spare parts to build a something better than an Edsel. This is the type of town that moves on from the rusty Ford plant to make room for Porsche.

    If all goes well, by the time we celebrate the Hawks’ 60th, and 75th, seasons in the ATL, perhaps fans at The Farm will have some worthy banners to point to, as evidence that the best engines can indeed be built from scratch.

     

    Let’s Go Hawks!

    ~lw3


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    1 minute ago, EazyRoc said:

    John Collins back yet ?

    On 92.9 yesterday, Lloyd Pierce held out hope we'd see Collins back on the floor before Thanksgiving. But that was from the IANAD perspective, and the timetable is still not set.

    ~lw3

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    Kevin Huerter (missed last game due to personal matters) is back and is likely to be active on tonight's roster.

    Speaking of Huerter, the Pistons have been using Virtual Reality technology not only for training purposes (like improving Drummond's FT%), but also for predraft scouting.

    ~lw3

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    Casual-reading Piston fans may have been a bit confused, but DeAndre' Bembry knows which Hawks Langston's talking about.

    ~lw3

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    36 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said:

    Rasheed Wallace found himself getting passed around.

    ? Man lw3, the info you get is off the charts. Nice! I honestly don’t know much NBA pre 1984ish. Specially the landscaping of where NBA teams used to call home. Crazy how things turn out after all these years. 

    The comedy of Rasheed being passed around is beautiful and one that Bill Walton might approve as well. ✌️ 

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    40 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said:

    After years of entrusting DeAndre Jordan to patrol the paint, Griffin isn’t fond of Drummond’s interest in expanding his range beyond the three-point line.

    Wonder what Blake would be like with a 3 point shooting center like ummm I dunno Pero Antic? ? ok..Sam Perkins type? We might never find out, at least while Blake is a starter.

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    Hawks 109

    Pistons 105

    Im sorry again I like our chances tonight at home to a club that can’t seem to get their stuff together.

    Prince 22 (I’ll keep saying it till he does it).

    Trae 21/11

     

    GO HAWKS!!!

     

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    37 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

    Oh boy ...here come the Falcon fans ? 

    I'm a Falcon fan.  Does this mean you don't want me to watch? - Papaw

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    38 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

    Oh boy ...here come the Falcon fans ? 

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    Minor trivia, but the BAA basketball team that folded in the 1940s (pre-merger) was known as the Detroit Falcons. That was also the last nickname of Detroit's NHL club, in the 1930s, until they elected to change the name to the Red Wings. Imagine if that name had stuck in Detroit... we might know Atlanta's NFL franchise by another name entirely!

    ~lw3

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    50 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

    @lethalweapon3 with the Hawks Gold 50th Anniversary font.:cheer:

     

     

    Good, I dont why they are giving Vince all those minutes. Its about developing our young guys right now.

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    Trae’s game right now is such where we can’t really be competitive against upper-echelon PGs but should have a good chance versus those with below average ones.  This is one of those times, especially if the efficient minutes of Spelman and Plumlee continue.

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    12 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

    I'm a Falcon fan.  Does this mean you don't want me to watch? - Papaw

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    More trivia: Who remembers that the Falcons were the first team to have (shiny) Gold in its uniform/helmet colors (as a subtle stripe)... debuting their gold a year before the copycat Aints?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Falcons

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    The Atlanta Falcons' colors are red, black, silver and white.[44] When the team began play in 1966, the Falcons wore red helmets with a black falcon crest logo. In the center of the helmet was a center black stripe surrounded by two gold stripes and two white stripes. These colors represented the two college rival schools in the state of Georgia; rival schools Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets (white and gold) and the Georgia Bulldogs (red and black). Although the gold was removed after several seasons, the white remains to this day.

    Those Falcons tried to bring us Jackets and Dawgs together!

    ~lw3

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    12 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said:

    gugx5rrgt8tfb6zgbkf74n6ht.gif

    More trivia: Who remembers that the Falcons were the first team to have (shiny) Gold in its uniform/helmet colors (as a subtle stripe)... debuting their gold a year before the copycat Aints?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Falcons

    Those Falcons tried to bring us Jackets and Dawgs together!

    ~lw3

    They brought those back not too long ago. When Michael Turner was still on the team. They were glorious. It hurts having such amazing uniforms already available and choosing to wear what the Falcons and Hawks wear. 

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    1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

    Oh boy ...here come the Falcon fans ? 

    No beef here..

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    1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

    I'm a Falcon fan.  Does this mean you don't want me to watch? - Papaw

    Absolutely not Gramps! We need you up front and center sir!

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    I’ve been watching all the pistons games this year, for obvious reasons, and the key to beating them: frustrate Drummond and/or let him take too many shots. Then, let them shoot and brick threes— they don’t have the shooters.

     

    Zaza should be good for about 4 points and 7 rebounds tonight. I bet Alex Len (my new favorite Hawk) eats him alive 

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