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Atlantaholic

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  1. I was such a big fan of his in San Antonio when he was a full time PG. He is showing that exact same level of play again. He's just not a SG in any shape way or form.
  2. And neither is optimized offensively to boot. The front office is well aware the fit has not worked, question is what can we do to fix it? If all we are getting for Murray are sub-Austin Reaves value deals we are kinda left with no choice but to keep trying to fit the round peg in the square hole.
  3. He was like top 2, no? One of the best rebounding seasons on a per min bases ever for a starting player.
  4. I mean the one time he played with an elite defensive center we were pretty close. You built around your superstar, every team does this. What you don't do is trade three picks to get an All-Star-level player that plays the exact same position as your current superstar player. That move was 100% a gamble on that Murray could provide similar value at the 2 than at the 1 and that has been proven so far to categorically not be the case. You can't blame Trae for that, that's on the front office. There is a huge gap between the talent level of our top 2 guys and the rest of the team, but sadly the top 2 guys value drops when they have to share the floor. That, along with lack of depth + a lot of injuries, is why the team is "underachieving" relative to their perceived talent level. I will add, to built a winner you need to be absolutely elite at least on one end of the floor. Trae has shown he can consistently lead elite offenses even with very little in terms of supporting casts. He is a no doubt about it top 5-10 offensive player in the NBA, he was consistently top 3 before the DJM pairing. There is a literal handful of guys in the entire NBA you can replace Trae with, the same is not true for Murray.
  5. We flipped core pieces for future picks and TPEs, Clint has regressed massively, Gallo got old. The emergence of JJ, Hunter figuring things out, and maybe Vit becoming something is the light at the end of the tunnel. If we want to roll with Trae and Murray (or have no choice) then I think our biggest hole atm is the C spot with Clint just not being good enough anymore. We need a defensive anchor, and OO just is too small. It's easier to get specific top level role players than a superstar, which is what you are going to need to pair DJM with to ever make a run.
  6. Bruno might be for sure. He's had stretches in his career where he has been, all about consistency with him. If he gets his mind right he for sure has the skill set to be a very competent rotation player. Mathews... no. Vit is becoming more and more interesting by the day.
  7. We all know that our weakness is the frontcourt and wing defense. But those things are not easy fixes. We aren't fixing that in free agency, and the draft is a crapshoot that will take years to bear fruit even if we hit on it. Trade is the only thing that realistically can give us a fix there, and the only guys we have worth trading are Trae, Murray and Bogi.
  8. That's a good point, and yea, I'm not saying Towns would be the return I pull the trigger on. Just that general caliber of player, and either in the frontcourt at SG.
  9. It all depends on the return, but yea if it's Booker that could work. If a Trae package could net us Towns I would think about it too. Obviously not a realistic scenario for specific T-Wolves reasons but on the level of value I think that's around the return that we could realistically get back from Trae, whereas Murray it seems extremely unlikely we could ever net a perennial All-Star type guy for. But I agree there too, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a Towns type return for me to trade Murray. You can sorround Trae with solid defenders and shooters and have it work, we saw it during the ECF run and Denver is doing it with Jokic, and not saying Trae is on Jokic's level, but it's an example of a system that runs through one primary play-maker that is sorrounded by elite role-players that play defense.
  10. This is not to say I'm advocating for a Trae trade, but I would be open to it for the right return.
  11. The issue may not be whether or not Murray is as good as Trae (he isn't), but if the additional value we get back from a Trae trade makes it worth trading him over Murray. If Murray's market doesn't heat up from what it was at the deadline (Reaves seemed like the apex return) then it could make sense to trade Trae if we can get a legit All-Star player back.
  12. 25 - 9 - 5, with 2 steals per game 46% shooting, 38% from 3 Definitely has been a different player playing PG vs SG.
  13. I went through nothing as horrible as you guys but I did have an infection on the inside of my mouth next to to my wisdom tooth so when I got it removed the anesthetics didn't do anything and have to say it was right up there with kidney stones as the most awful experience of my life. Mouth stuff can be such a nightmare, happy you are recovering Soth.
  14. We're all praying for Sothron, get well soon!
  15. Let's keep in mind that after 100 games together Trae and DJM have almost never "peaked" or performed well at the same time. There's a reason for that, it's not just a cosmic coincidence. They both play the same position.
  16. Ratings have been going downhill. The NBA must be wakin up to the fact that the style of play that they have been pushing has not been "fun" like they assumed in theory it would be.
  17. Don't disagree. In an ideal world we could get close to equal value on a trade for Murray for a frontcourt player. Of course, easier said than done.
  18. And worst thing about CC is that his decline has been pretty consistent and gradual. There is zero reason to assume he'll turn it around, and a safe bet he continues to get worse. The more we wait to move him the less his value will be. Should have moved him probably two years ago, at this point it just seems like the team will have to cut him or move him for nothing.
  19. Problem with Murray and Trae is that while their overall numbers look really good it pretty much has been a taking turns approach. Trae's best stretches have been exclusively during Murray's bad stretches, and Murray's best stretch has been with Trae injured. Rarely do they both have great games at the same time, which is why the team has not been as good as you would think looking at their numbers individually. I agree that the Center and the forward depth is the biggest areas of opportunity, but it's still obvious regardless that Trae and Murray don't maximize each other. Murray is just mutch better as the full time PG than he is the SG/backup PG,
  20. Hunter will never, ever rebound. We must accept that now.
  21. I don't disagree with your thesis, but both Cap an Collins deserve credit, especially Cap was freaking amazing defensively that season. and also Gallo when he was getting it going was a bucket and Bogi had an epic stretch. It was a really really good team around Trae.
  22. They were very solid, but that wasn't getting past the Celtics.
  23. Our offense has been awful every year when Trae sits. He's a top five offensive player,always at the very top on points + point contributions.
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