Atlantaholic

On 4/20/2024 at 8:22 PM, AHF said:

This post is so good, Jay.  Hawks seem incapable of picking a direction and sticking with it.

It's been the biggest reason from the downgrade from Schlenk. You can criticize a lot of moves and picks from Schlenk but the underlying philosophy was always completely consistent. You can't get anywhere without direction, that's step 1.

We have too much talent to tear it all down, and I don't trust our front office AT ALL to lead a rebuild. 

On 4/16/2024 at 9:07 AM, kg01 said:

This is semantics.  That group had topped out and they needed to reset.

It wasn't Bud that wanted to keep Horford, it was the Hawks that wanted to keep Horford.  Horford wanted to play the 4 so they went out and got a 5 so he could do just that.  Then he left anyway.

Respectfully, you can't always spin everything to make Buden a victim.  He wasnt forced out.  At worst, he saw the writing on the wall and left.

Continuing to watch him be exceptionally non-elite with an aging roster benefitted no one.  That's the definition of diminishing returns. 

Yeah people forget how disappointing the last two Bud year's were and his coaching was not great. Milwaukee fan were never huge Bud fans. They were one Durant shoe size away from having absolutely nothing but awful playoff showings every single year he was coach. 

I don't care if Eddy is a generational player or the next Drummond. Either is sorely needed right now. 

13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

All that matters is what NBA teams see him at. If they see him as a lottery guy, then that's what he is. If we are his ceiling, let's get it done. 

I'm all for Edey. He fills an enormous need for us which is a legit backup center with size. I have no doubt he can be a contributing + player in that role. If he becomes anything more than that is a cherry on top. 

40 minutes ago, AHF said:

That should be a really good game.  I’m excited to watch it and the variety and strength of opinions on this thread do make it more interesting still.  
 

I don’t disagree that you take the most impactful player on the board unless they are almost certain to be there with your next pick.  That said, I would feel a lot better about taking Edey with the Sacramento pick if we are going to do it just because I feel like there will be some intriguing options at 10 that won’t be there under any circumstances closer to 20.  Edey seems like the hardest player to predict in terms of draft slot that I can remember in some time.

Yea, he's been mocked anywhere from the teens to the second round.

19 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

The reason is they do not fit together on offense or defense.  Neither have good movement skills on offense, they both want to be the primary ball handler, and they both are high usage guards.  On defense, neither can be POA defenders and both need to be playing on the weakest shooter to be successful.  

Frankly, this game, if anything, was evidence of how much better Murray is without Trae on the floor.  We've seen the inverse be true as well -- and it shows up in the stats.  It's a completely emotional decision to want to retain the both and has zero evidence to support it.  Murray himself pushed hard to get traded this deadline... why would you guys want and argue to keep him, particularly given the flawed fit?

Let's see what the team looks like when(if?) Trae gets back. There's been a lot of improvements at other positions.

14 minutes ago, Diesel said:

A mouth infection.... Bro.. what were you eating???   Pause!  LOL!  I kid...

Holic to the chicks....

 

It was my wisdom tooth that was scraping against my cheek that caused it and prompted the removal.

12 hours ago, terrell said:

Only ONE turnover for Murray again on 13-20 shooting.

PLease don't move this man back to SG

Can we just have Team 1 and Team 2? lol

Bruno and Vit still playing well..

 

I was such a big fan of his in San Antonio when he was a full time PG. He is showing that exact same level of play again. He's just not a SG in any shape way or form. 

13 hours ago, terrell said:

Nah man Trae Murray duo is a trainwreck defensively..

And neither is optimized offensively to boot. The front office is well aware the fit has not worked, question is what can we do to fix it? If all we are getting for Murray are sub-Austin Reaves value deals we are kinda left with no choice but to keep trying to fit the round peg in the square hole. 

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

The most important part is the center. The year we went to the ECF, we were winning with Tony Snell and Solo as wings. 

Capela was in the top 10 of all advanced metrics that year for us. 

He was like top 2, no? One of the best rebounding seasons on a per min bases ever for a starting player. 

On 3/24/2024 at 7:36 AM, Packfill said:

A win is a win.  Hard for me to not look at this game through the lens of two teams decimated by injuries and limping towards the finish with losing records and think - whichever team gets a bench guy on a hot streak wins this game.  Good that it was the Hawks bench tonight with Bruno and Garrison.

I don't think either of those guys are rotation players on winning NBA teams though, more guys who are on the bench to play a role in the wake of an injury to someone ahead of them on the depth charts. Vit might have a chance of becoming a regular rotation piece if he can get some consistency on his outside shot.

Bruno might be for sure. He's had stretches in his career where he has been, all about consistency with him. If he gets his mind right he for sure has the skill set to be a very competent rotation player. Mathews... no. Vit is becoming more and more interesting by the day. 

On 3/11/2024 at 8:49 AM, kg01 said:

Yup or imagine if we fixed the frontcourt like we obviously should've? 

But we got folks out here tryna trade Trae.  Smh 

We all know that our weakness is the frontcourt and wing defense. But those things are not easy fixes. We aren't fixing that in free agency, and the draft is a crapshoot that will take years to bear fruit even if we hit on it. Trade is the only thing that realistically can give us a fix there, and the only guys we have worth trading are Trae, Murray and Bogi. 

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

KAT value is best with Trae. Murray PnR play is extremely ball handler centric. His lack of defense also becomes an issue because the offense isn't through the roof with Murray unlike it would be with Trae. 

That's a good point, and yea, I'm not saying Towns would be the return I pull the trigger on. Just that general caliber of player, and either in the frontcourt at SG. 

11 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Yeah, if we could get Devin Booker back, it would make sense. It's the Devin Vassell and picks that make me like hell naw. Trash! 

Whereas for Murray, I am more open to lesser player that fits and picks but I am not interested in that idea for Trae. 

It all depends on the return, but yea if it's Booker that could work. If a Trae package could net us Towns I would think about it too. Obviously not a realistic scenario for specific T-Wolves reasons but on the level of value I think that's around the return that we could realistically get back from Trae, whereas Murray it seems extremely unlikely we could ever net a perennial All-Star type guy for. But I agree there too, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a Towns type return for me to trade Murray.  You can sorround Trae with solid defenders and shooters and have it work, we saw it during the ECF run and Denver is doing it with Jokic, and not saying Trae is on Jokic's level, but it's an example of a system that runs through one primary play-maker that is sorrounded by elite role-players that play defense.

Just now, Atlantaholic said:

The issue may not be whether or not Murray is as good as Trae (he isn't), but if the additional value we get back from a Trae trade makes it worth trading him over Murray. If Murray's market doesn't heat up from what it was at the deadline (Reaves seemed like the apex return) then it could make sense to trade Trae if we can get a legit All-Star player back.

 

 

 

This is not to say I'm advocating for a Trae trade, but I would be open to it for the right return. 

38 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Look at DJ's numbers since Trae has been out. They are honestly comparable to Trae's. 

25 - 9 - 5, with 2 steals per game 46% shooting, 38% from 3

Definitely has been a different player playing PG vs SG.

I went through nothing as horrible as you guys but I did have an infection on the inside of my mouth next to to my wisdom tooth so when I got it removed the anesthetics didn't do anything and have to say it was right up there with kidney stones as the most awful experience of my life. Mouth stuff can be such a nightmare, happy you are recovering Soth. 

We're all praying for Sothron, get well soon!

On 3/11/2024 at 8:49 AM, kg01 said:

Yup or imagine if we fixed the frontcourt like we obviously should've? 

But we got folks out here tryna trade Trae.  Smh 

Let's keep in mind that after 100 games together Trae and DJM have almost never "peaked" or performed well at the same time. There's a reason for that, it's not just a cosmic coincidence. They both play the same position. 

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

 

Neither have the Hawks tho

Ratings have been going downhill. The NBA must be wakin up to the fact that the style of play that they have been pushing has not been "fun" like they assumed in theory it would be.