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He was out for personal reasons but outside of his contract year in 2022 he has been a low energy wing that doesn't rebound, play make, and has very inconsistent defense. He has regressed over the past 2 seasons and was benched for a rookie earlier in the season. It took a strong championship leadership and pending free agency to get to him to play with effort consistently and that lasted only 1 season. I wouldn't gamble on him. His contract is awful. He is owed about 30m per year for the next 3 years.

True, those picks are WAAYY more valuable now compared to their perceived value was in 2022. Those picks have real lottery potential now which few people thought at the time. We are NOT getting those picks back. In 2022 no one knew that Ressler was going to kill the team's depth to save money or how dysfunctional and incompetent the FO was.

If LF/Korver and Quin can have a BUD & Ferry type of relationship where there is a single cohesive vision of how the team should look and play and they have full control every basketball decision with no meddling from Nick/Tony/Trae I'm optimistic. Non-basketball people meddling is how we got this Frankenstein of a roster.

The insiders are saying there was a reason to why Murray signed the team friendly extension in the offseason. This is pure speculation but there must have been "wink wink" deal with the FO to get him to his desired destination if things went south that came with that extension which is why the FO are quickly & quietly moving him without much of a fight. Murray could have absolutely put the hawks in a very tough position and get anything he wanted but he did the complete opposite which doesn't make sense to me. He only played here for 1 year, why would he have any loyalty to the hawks? (especially to this FO)

Since you can't say it I expect its because Murray signed the extension with a handshake deal with the FO that if the Trae pairing along with the Quinn hire didn't work out and we get off to a bad start, we would work to send him to his desired destination. Maybe to another organization with a lot of Klutch clients (Lakers?). That has to be the only explanation to why he signed such a team friendly team because the hawks HAD to work out some kind of deal with him because if Dejounte didn't sign the hawks were going to be screwed. Historically Klutch clients NEVER take discounts. Reading between the lines, I don't think Hawk fans are going to be too happy with the return IMO but we will see. I'm glad the Hawks are taking this route. The hawks are too far down the standing and the east is too strong to make a short term win now move. Hawks needs to fundamentally rebuild the entire roster to fit Quin's style. No more band aids I'm guessing going after a 3rd "star" route was no longer feasible once they realize Murray wanted out.

If we trade for Siakiam, I predict its going to cost us JJ. Siakiam and JJ play similiar positions and the raptors are looking for young players with upside for Siakiam. They aren't going to take our trash. I wish the hawks would just stop talking to them.

I don't see it at all. Trae is the complete opposite of a Presti type of player. If you look at Presti's draft history and how he constructs the roster dating back to the KD & Westbrook days he has always targeted long athletic players that are tall at their position.

I hope Trae isn't the psuedo GM. Catering to the star's wants rarely ends well. They are the worst when it comes to player evaluation and want the team needs.

Just a reminder this is the offer we were competing against in the 2022 off season for Gobert.

I don't think he makes it. IMO The east guard position is extremely deep this year. This is his competition for a spot and they play on teams with much better records. Damian Lillard Jaylen Brown Jalen Brunson Tyrese Maxey Donovan Mitchell Tyrese Haliburton.

https://x.com/OhhMar24/status/17354111619552 Potential drama brewing between Murray and Quin?? This is exactly what we don't need right now.

His track record of staying healthy is abysmal Games played over the last 4 seasons 19-20 season - 24 20-21 season - 61 21-22 season - ZERO 22-23 season - 29

Agreed, going "all in" on Murray then dumping salary/talent immediately before the season even started solidified that they have ZERO appetite for the luxury tax. If we trade for Siakiam I expect more Kevin Huerter/JC type salary dumps to get under the threshold.

It would be extremely difficult for us to build a complimentary team around a center that is an offensive liability who is making $43M a year especially with an ownership that is as cheap as Ressler. The t-wolves are going to have a top 3 most expensive roster in the entire NBA at around $200M next year once Edwards and McDaniels extensions kick in. Their luxury tax bill is going to be insane.

Siakiam on a max is better than pure cap space IMO especially for a non FA destination like Toronto. We seen plenty of times in the past few seasons that there is no such thing as an unmovable contract especially if its a player who is an all star or produces close to an all star level that can help a contender make a title run. The competition at the top of the standings is fierce and there is no team that is clearly title favorites so multiple teams could bid for his services in a trade. The raptors could also easily just keep Siakiam, he isn't toxic to their work environment like a James Harden/Kyrie Irving so there is no rush to kick him off the team. We don't have much leverage as some would think.