REHawksFan
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Guilty by association, perhaps. Although I would swear you have referenced keeping Murray next year, which, is implying trading Trae since you clearly state we can't keep both. But whatever. I agree that one likely needs to go due to the defense. My only question is whether a legit defensive center to protect the paint would mitigate some of the disaster that is a Trae/DJ backcourt. I like DJ a lot. I just believe Trae is the better PG and not just by a little.
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You really suggesting we trade Bogi and replace him with a rookie UDFA? That's a bold strategy considering Bogi has been our most consistent and overall most reliable player for large parts of the season. As for the draft, I haven't done a deep dive and don't typically until much closer to the actual draft. Right now, all I'm committed to is I want a C and a Wing. Top choices: Edey Clingan Kenecht These are the guys I've seen the most and like the most. I'll reserve the right to replace them with others once I see more.
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I think the numbers support the idea that there's been more passing without Trae, but not the idea that guys are playing better without Trae. Clint played his best ball of the season, statistically anyway, in November December and then fell off a cliff in Jan/Feb before rebounding in March. Bogi has been the exact same all year, posting nearly identical numbers every month. He had a slight dip in December and January but otherwise has been Mr. Reliable. His assist number is the only thing that has gone up without Trae, which is why I said the numbers support the idea that there's more passing. The guys are sharing the load more. Vit has been a revelation but he didn't play with Trae. Hunter, statistically, has been worse with Murray than with Trae, but not by a lot. He was sucking early in the year and then came on in February and March. My point is not that the hawks aren't playing well, it's that this idea that you and others try to perpetuate after every win that the team is better off without Trae is nonsense. Guys are playing better late in the season. Are they playing better because Trae isn't out there? Not sure there's anything to suggest that other than a few fans bias. Is Murray playing better than Trae, iyo?
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LBJ in his prime got hacked every time drove to the basket. Shaq used to get hacked all game. It's what happens when you are a giant at your position. No one can play you straight up so you get hacked. By nature refs aren't going to call 40 fouls on your defenders. So it's a valid strategy. But yeah, the guys that don't like him think he gets away with everything and never gets fouled. LOL -
Exactly. But don't tell some folks this. All that matters is they are winning without Trae so Trae must be the issue. Nevermind that the winning is more a product of Others playing better (Vit, Dre, Bogi, Clint, and Bruno specifically) than Murray playing better than Trae. The winning just fits the general opinion of Trae by some so its a convenient talking point. Murray being the lead guy on the team is not a recipe for success.
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Well it was only one of several things I mentioned, but sure, make it about that.
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Maybe he's forcing things without Trae. And I'd understand that. But then that begs the question, why would folks think we'd be better off without Trae if this is the Murray we get?
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Without Trae he's avg 26 pts on 22 shots. Not exactly efficient.
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Which of course has little to do with Trae but I don't expect you to admit that. LOL
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His inefficiency, poor handles, and avg passing is why it's insane fir certain folks to claim DJ is the better option of the 2. Absolutely freaking insane. He can be a really good scorer and he's capable as a ball handler, but being capable is not the same as being elite. Trae is elite.
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Well he does it a lot more aggressively than OO or Clint do. It's noticeable with Bruno.
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Noticed him doing that the last several games. He overplays the ball at the top and then rushes back to the lane. Seems to keep the offe se from getting going.
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Not a ton of passing when DJ is running the show. Same for Hunter.
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JJ makes a huge difference for this team. His length amd ball handling is very helpful. And Vit, what can you say? If they keep leaving him open he gotta keep making them pay. Also loving what Bruno has become. His energy and toughness is something we sorely need. Ooh....and Kobe with the pesky hands is fun to see as well.
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The FT% was my only point here. I haven't seen clips of him shooting 3s or anything. But I have read that Painter won't let him shoot 3s in games, which makes some sense. I just don't get the argument that if a 5 hasn't shot 3s in college then it must mean he CAN'T shoot 3s in the NBA. We just have plenty of examples that say otherwise. And his FT stroke looks good to me. Seems natural with a nice arc on it which makes me think it can translate to longer shots (although I'm no shooting coach).
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Sorry Spud but that's BS. You would have said the same about Brook Lopez, AL Horford, OO, JC, KAT, etc... None of them showed you anything in college and all have proven - to one degree or another - to be capable 3pt threats in the NBA.
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What's Trae's timeline? It's been 4 weeks right?
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I think your argument against him is pretty biased. So you think player development was supposed to stop after LP? What about JJ? What about the other young guys who have developed? The record sux and the defense sucked all year. But I'd remind you that it wasn't til this past summer that Quin put in any of his own offense or schemes. And I'd also remind you that we started the year with 8 legit NBA players along with Kobe and AJ. AJ has been out all year for personal reasons. And Kobe is a rookie. Of the 8 legit NBA players, they all been healthy together for something like 15 games all season. Roster construction and injuries are why the record sux. Not coaching There's always going to be arguments against any coach's rotations and stuff. That's a personal preference thing. But all considered, Quin has been solid in year 1. I'd give him a solid B.
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If he actually goes in the lottery, he may not be on the board when the Hawks pick. I'm expecting Hawks to be in the playoffs.
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I want both guys on the Hawks. That's who I'd draft. I think it would interesting woth Trae. If nothing else he would be hated by half our fans just like Trae is. Haha
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And then he does that. LOL
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Edey doesn't get foul calls because he's generally not contesting anything. At least not aggressively. Yall may not like it but tenn hacks him everytime he touches it.
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I get that's your opinion but the facts are facts. There are plenty of examples of bigs that never shot the 3 in college that develop a shot in the NBA. And FT shooting is a pretty good indicator of that potential. I know you don't like him and that's fine. I'm just saying you don't know that he can't shoot from range. All we know for sure is he hasn't.
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BTW. ... OO was 1-4 on 3pt in college Brook Lopez was 3-21 John Collins was 0-1 Horford was 0-4 KAT was 2-8 There's plenty of guys that don't shoot 3s in college that develop a shot in the league.
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Doesn't or can't? He's a 71% FT shooter. How do we know he can't shoot from range?
