Final_quest

Just heard Brad Rowland say any Trae trade buzz is most likely media hype based on nothing per his Hawks sources.

In short Murray for the best player possible. A top 50-60 player that fits our roster better. If we can't get equal value for Murray, it would take finding a diamond in the rough to turn this franchise around.

I listen to Rowland at times because he’s the closest thing to “insider” info outside of some posters from the Squawk. One thing he said on another pod is that until he hears otherwise Trae would still be a Hawk. Said after the play in loss to Chicago that no source he trusts is saying either that Trae wants out or ownership wants to move him. Although he did acknowledge that he thinks for the first time since Trae was drafted that could change. Basically be careful listening to national media smoke on Trae. I will say Brad does not really focus on insider scoops, but he will address rumors and kill them if he has info. So he really separates fact from fiction in the rumor mill and almost never reports a new rumor or scoop.

I think the grade is incomplete. Don’t care if Ressler is cheap or not. Fact is JC had to go or else we’re in complete cap hell. Then the extensions for Murray and Okongwu were good value. The draft picks got injured but have promise. Gonna see what they do this off-season before I call Landry incapable. I’m not optimistic or pessimistic.

I’m not convinced either way. Maybe I’ll check out the Purdue forum. Probably 3000 pages to read over there.

Yes, they overpaid to retain their rookie contracts Mostly Collins and Hunter that got too much. Then we tried to redeem the situation by trading our draft capital for Murray. Left us with no money to spend and no picks to trade.

Not an allstar, but most overrated. Yet if he teamed up with Wemby, the Lakers, etc. ...those teams would be "unstoppable".

@JTB During the ECF run we had multiple guys on rookie contracts as starters and in the rotation. The best teams leverage ring chasers and rookie contracts. They are top heavy apart from that with their salary. We are top heavy with redundant talent, Trae and Murray. We’ve got only one rookie contract in the rotation, and no real ring chaser level talent that gets paid close to vet min salary. The guys getting paid are questionable fits. People act like signing one more guy to an MLE deal fixes everything. There are bigger issues that are much more complex. We need to trade a piece or two. Get another couple key contributor from the draft. Then sign that MLE guy that so many people hyper focus on.

I feel petty this year. Hard to find teams I can cheer for. Boston vs Heat. Knicks vs Sixers. I want all of them to lose. Getting a little satisfaction watching Halliburton get routed. Minnesota is at the top of my list followed by Denver. Milwaukee a distant third. After that it’s hard for me to like anyone. Clippers a little…

Heard it this way: Whatever you look at is the only thing you will see.

The Murray deal is pretty volatile. It could end up being good for us, or devastatingly bad. Good result would be if we get the Kings pick next year as a mid first round pick higher than our own. No swap happens in 2026. Then only give up a late first rounder in 2027. Bad result would be the Spurs getting 2-3 high lottery picks. We tend to focus on the most negative outcome out of fear, but the Murray deal could end up really positive.

The Spurs deal has nothing to do with the terms of the Kings pick. The Spurs get the Hawks pick next year, even if the Kings pick is better.

Elite offense with low turnovers allows you to reduce transition baskets. Even a below average defensive unit performs better when it is set. A poor offense with high turnovers helps the other team get easy buckets. So yes, elite offense helps defense. Significantly helps.

If we kept Huerter, Bogi, and Murray we’d have three SGs making $14M+. Most teams only have six total players making over 14M. One of them had to go.

Well, hope this works in our favor next year.

Just glad Murray got to establish that he is a top PG while Trae was out. If we can get close to equal value back that fits our roster back, I'm down for trading Murray.

I don’t want him to make a bad trade either. People get fired for circumstances outside their control all the time, which is what could happen to Landry. We’ll have to see what actually happens this offseason. It could be something really good.

I want us to land a top 3 pick. Why not us?

I’m still willing to work with Trae. Getting a nice/fair return for Murray could go a long way. We got a few nice young players on the rise as well.

Not our problem. GM’s are judged on what actually happens whether it is their fault or not. But yes, making stuff happen is his job. I’m not pointing fingers yet, but stating reality. Another year with no deals will look really bad for him.

I agree but eventually an executive has to make something happen. No NBA GM can go two years straight saying there was no one willing to trade.

Landry needs to deliver. He tried to make moves last offseason and trade deadline. He can’t strike out again this summer.

Capela, Hunter, or Bogi. But I think it could look differently than cutting Collins as a straight dump. A trade for actual player in return. I do think our issue is more where we’ve spent on our top 6 guys vs an unwillingness to pay a seventh guy $10M+. We have a bunch of young guys to work in the rotation as well.

Signs that both Kobe Bufkin and MoGee are viable NBA rotation players.

Every move they tried to pull off failed. No point in tanking when another team controls your picks. You have to trade for a better player/fit. When your plan A and plan B fail then other plans could be desperation moves that make you worse off like trading Murray for scraps.