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7 hours ago, NBASupes said:
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Simple Scouting Report on Zach Edey:
Offensive Player Type:
- Original: A big player who excels in movement rim finishing with a hint of post-up quality.
- Future: A big player who excels in movement rim finishing with elements of post-up and catch & shoot (C&S) qualities.
New Analysis:
- Current: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. However, his fluidity limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low post.
- Future: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. His fluidity, however, limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low-post, with potential for catch and shoot.
NBA Comparisons: He doesn’t have any direct comparisons.
Weakness Comparison: Edy Tavares - Only Edy and Edey have exhibited poor fluidity as NBA players entering the league. While Edy is a good athlete for his size, Edey is a freakish athlete for his size.
Offense - Favorable Comparison: Karl Malone, albeit with differences. Neither player was anticipated to produce offensively at an exceptionally high level. Both possess tremendous strength, superior movement, and relentless energy. Neither has a particularly strong post-game, with most of their work done before receiving the ball. Malone is more fluid and uses agility a lot, but Edey is much larger and uses brute force for positioning and his mental acuity for his success as a low-post scorer. Both are elite screeners and have a terrific feel for rolling off the PnR. Both qualify as spammers in how they score. Doesn't seem like they are really good but the production is there. This is not by mistake. This is what being relentless and having a high motor looks like and their passion is scoring.
Both players can be seen as garbagemen, but unlike Horford, who is also a garbageman, both possess an elite scoring mentality as their primary focus. Malone has clear advantages such as transition offense and a proven 15ft jumper from his time at LA Tech. Despite unimpressive college stats in his junior season which got worse each year, Malone had no spacing at LA Tech, and teams sold out to guard him in the paint. Edey, on the other hand, has the size advantage and superior basketball IQ. He generally adapts far more quickly to defensive strategies than Malone.
Defense Comparison - Favorable Comparison: A less effective version of Rudy Gobert. He can protect the rim and paint like Rudy and boxes out better than Rudy. However, his poor fluidity is a significant drawback. His close-outs, switches, and rebounding radius are all subpar. He has a mental advantage and is older than Gobert as a prospect, but he doesn’t have the same upside as Rudy. Both are drop defenders, which may limit the teams interested in them as prospects. I’ve talked to one scout and listened to another who thinks Edey’s best NBA strength is on defense based on their review of the tape. This was the comparison both gave me.
Offensive Comparison - Less Favorable: It’s challenging to find a direct comparison. Most basketball players don’t exhibit the same combination of mental strength, movement skills, and finishing ability. When you consider body control, hand skills, and strength, Luis Scola comes to mind as the closest comparison. However, Scola lacks the athletic prowess that Edey possesses for his size.
Defensive Comparison - Less Favorable: The comparison here is straightforward - Edy Tavares, but a wealthy man’s version. Despite fluidity being the issue, he still possesses elite mental acuity and is more athletic than Edy, with an additional 60 pounds as a prospect. This might still be a poor man’s version of Rudy Gobert, so it’s unclear how this is less favorable. The outcome remains the same.
Good write up. Admittedly, I haven’t watched much college basketball this year. But I’ll watch his tournament games for sure now.
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Draft: Sarr
FA: DeRozan
Trade: Lauri (DJM and OO, out)
Trae, DeRozan, JJ, Lauri, Sarr
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Get Mo G. healthy and down there too and this will be must-see tv as a Hawks fan.
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HawkSquawk favorite to the Heat:
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Idk man....not sure he'll still be there when we finally pick late in the 2nd round
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I have 0 issue with us keeping DJM if the value wasn't there...none.
My issue is this middle of the road path we continue to be on by:
1) Not brining in guys to improve the roster
2) Actively trading away guys to avoid LT consequencesSo here at the deadline, we don't do anything to get better. But we also don't do anything to get worse. Okay...so we're stuck in this middle of the road purgatory in the last year of us controlling our own FRP.
Just my 2 cents...
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6 minutes ago, Sothron said:They are offering us CJ and JV and two picks
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Murphy + Jones + figure out how to reroute Claxton to us from BKN and I'd consider...maybe...DJM and OO.
Maybe...
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4 minutes ago, Sothron said:
Pelicans are trying to get both Murray and OO without giving up Zion or Ingram. I don't know how they think they can do that.
Delusion.
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Grimes is gone. Should kill that DJM to NY bs trade we keep hearing about.
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Gonna go out on a limb and say there's a negative chance of us trading OO unless we have a plan locked in for our Center of the future.
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1 minute ago, NBASupes said:
He doesn't fit our style of play.
Well we’re 22-29 so maybe that’s not a bad thing.
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Tried to tell y’all about Porzingis over the summer.
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6 minutes ago, theheroatl said:
Send us JJJ and Marcus for DJM and Capela
Would solve all of our defensive issues over night lol
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17 minutes ago, Jody23 said:
Grizz have traded Adams and Tillman. Seems like they might need a Center now?
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6 minutes ago, kg01 said:
Possible. I wanted Porzo too so I'm not fightin the feelin'. I just think league politics and backroom deals would've killed us there.
I hear ya. It’s just frustrating to hear we might be “buyers” now when 2 guys who would’ve fit perfectly with Trae were right there for the taking and we didn’t jump…or didn’t jump hard enough.
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2 minutes ago, macdaddy said:
So that to me is why pinning hope on us finding another star is foolish when we can't even get these second tier players to come here.
This isn’t true though. DJM wanted to be here and we also got the biggest name coach on the market here.
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4 minutes ago, kg01 said:
Not that simple. Remember Porzi agreed to re-sign in BOS which is the main reason that trade even happened. It's not "just the deal".
It’s an unknown for sure. But I don’t think he would have been unwilling since it meant getting out of a Washington rebuild.
He’s not KD. He doesn’t just get to pick where he wants to go.
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2 minutes ago, kg01 said:
Disagree unless we could fool BOS into taking Capela.
Huh? This was the trade for Porzingis to Boston before the Brogdon injury blew it up. We could have beat this in our sleep.
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8 minutes ago, kg01 said:
We never had the assets for any of them. No need to lose sleep over it at this point.
We definitely had the assets to get KP who’s playing like an allstar and would have fixed a lot of our front court issues.
I think we could have beat this for OG:
- RJ Barrett
-Immanuel Quickley
- 2024 second-round draft pick (via Detroit)
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8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
One more item, Atlanta isn't looking for 2024 1sts. They want more 2025 1sts and those let's say aren't readily available.
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The guys we should have been "buying" in on who could have actually impacted this team: KP, OG, Siakam - are long gone. We're just bargain-bin discount shopping now.
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This whole not really doing anything to upgrade the roster and fielding a near .500 whatever team is literally getting us nowhere (except the play-in).
Play-in champs bay bay!
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I really want AJ to succeed here. Something is just off with the whole situation which makes me believe back office politics are involved and I don’t like that. He showed way too much potential last season.
But if Quin isn’t going to play him and Grimes takes the Mathews/Matthews/Mills minutes than I guess that’s good. Improves the defense at lease which we desperately need.
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2023-24 NBA Regular Season: Notes/Tidbits/Updates etc.
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Going on record for how much I hate the NBA for not letting ATL get either Dwight or Ant in the lottery.