Obama

[Eddielives]

Oh dear God Diesel you are such an articulate bs'er. I'll give you credit for that. Maybe one day you'll have your society where people like me will be rounded up by the imperial federal government, have our eyelids help open while we're brainwashed out of our individuality so we'll be good little workers for the system rather than free individuals who can create their own state of well being. You keep wishing for your society where everyone is a government subject. There is a reason why America rose to being the world's superpower and it's economic freedom. Democrats and republicans alike are taking that freedom away, slowly but surely. Remember when Bush proposed privatizing a small portion of social security(a system that is a train wreck)? The ignorant masses didn't want the responsibility. They didn't want to have the burden of caring for themselves. They just want the government to take care of them. Even though the evidence in incontrovertible that private investing, historically, will net much much higher returns than what people will receive with social security investments. Are you that person Diesel? Do you want a society where the government takes care of people from cradle to grave? Do you want bigger government? Do you really believe that the upper class, generally speaking, don't work hard for their wealth? Do you think that the poor in this country are, generally, poor because of no fault of their own? Do you refuse to believe there are many people who will vote for politicians simply because they promise to take money from high income earners to redistribute it to them if they'll just give them their vote? Are you that guy?

Oh and kudos to you for your subtle attachment once again to me and racism. You win the childish race card mvp again for that one. And I don't post under 2 names here either. Check with the mods if you want to.

[Diesel]

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Oh dear God Diesel you are such an articulate bs'er. I'll give you credit for that. Maybe one day you'll have your society where people like me will be rounded up by the imperial federal government, have our eyelids help open while we're brainwashed out of our individuality so we'll be good little workers for the system rather than free individuals who can create their own state of well being. You keep wishing for your society where everyone is a government subject. There is a reason why America rose to being the world's superpower and it's economic freedom. Democrats and republicans alike are taking that freedom away, slowly but surely. Remember when Bush proposed privatizing a small portion of social security(a system that is a train wreck)? The ignorant masses didn't want the responsibility. They didn't want to have the burden of caring for themselves. They just want the government to take care of them. Even though the evidence in incontrovertible that private investing, historically, will net much much higher returns than what people will receive with social security investments. Are you that person Diesel? Do you want a society where the government takes care of people from cradle to grave? Do you want bigger government? Do you really believe that the upper class, generally speaking, don't work hard for their wealth? Do you think that the poor in this country are, generally, poor because of no fault of their own? Do you refuse to believe there are many people who will vote for politicians simply because they promise to take money from high income earners to redistribute it to them if they'll just give them their vote? Are you that guy?

Oh and kudos to you for your subtle attachment once again to me and racism. You win the childish race card mvp again for that one. And I don't post under 2 names here either. Check with the mods if you want to.

If there are more people "like you" then maybe you are not the individuals that you think you are. Moreover, being free from what system?

Here's freedom.

I would like a president in office who doesn't owe pacts or private interests a favor.

I would like a president who has the will to make decisions that will help the majority of the people and not just the minority.

I would like a president who considers each child going off to war as if it's his own.

I would like a president who recognize that we're in a global economy and who is willing to make our public educate as good if not better than private education so that we can compete with the other nations of the worlds and not become a consumer nation.

That's Freedom.

Now, you can call that Marxism if you like... however, I don't think anywhere has Obama or MLK Jr. said anything about taking the wealth of the world and redistributing it until everybody is equal.

Moreover, what do you call giving Oil companies who are making 45 Billion dollars per year in PROFIT... a tax break. Then allow the people of that country watch the dollar grow weaker and the gas prices balloon to the point that families are being destroyed. What kind of system of government does that? Whatever it is....I'm against that.

[coachx]

Obama will eventuall have to talk about substance.

I fear if he is president the governmental aid programs will push the country away from capitalism and toward socialism. The people who work will pay more taxes and the people who don't or work very little will get more government subsidies which makes absolutly no sense at al to me.

I have yet to find an Obama supporter who can articulate why they like him from a factual policy stand point.............they are suckered into the change and hope talk without any specifics.

What really will hurt America are the tax breaks he will take away from big business and corporations. People are so shallow they do not unerstand that big business are leaving America in droves to go over seas. Do people not realize that big business are who employs most Americans and that their tax breaks are essential to more jobs, better jobs, and imporved working conditions ? When their tax breaks go so will American jobs leaving even more unemployed poor peole to suck the government assistant programs dry while cripling the economy and the already weak dollar

The first step to fixing the economy is not oil. It is giving tax breaks to big American and foreign businesses who choose to use American workers and taking away tax breaks from business that use international and non- American workers. That is the how you fix an economy and that is somthg a President can directly control much more then the price of oil. (Maybe the tree-hugging Demis will finally allow us to pump our own oil which would benice). Recently there was a vote for us to be able to search for oil between 50-200 miles off the American coast. It was shot down. But look at the party line.

15 total Votes

6 yes votes by Republicans

9 no votes by Democrates

(just keep that in mind the next time you hear CNN blame the oil crises on the wrong side). All Obama talks about is searching for alternate source of energy. People that is something we have to do but is 20=30 years away. What about right now Obama ? Again give me some subsatance and leave the fuff at home.

American citizens are so "me first" oriented and shallow that many can't even see the big picture and are being conned by politician pretending to be something else.

Also.

Obama put a racist peacher as a campaign manager only to fire once the public found out. Then he says religon and politics should be seperate. Well then, why did you hire your preacher to help run your campaign. American was built on Christian fundamentals, remember that.

Obama had the former president to the 4th largest bank in the world head his search for a Vice President. The same bank that is in court for giving balloon home loans to people who didn't qualify on purpose so they could forclose for huge profits. These loans start out vary affordable and then after 3 - 5 years the rate shoot up. Funny how one minte he says this is major crisis in America and then hires the person responsible for it to search for his Vice President. People he is a typical lieing politician. Don't let him fool you.

[Diesel]

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The first step to fixing the economy is not oil. It is giving tax breaks to big American and foreign businesses who choose to use American workers and taking away tax breaks from business that use international and non- American workers.

The first two steps to fixing the economy is:

1. Ending the war (528 Billion dollars so far... and rapidly climbing.)

2. Closing down the border and stopping illegal immigration at the corporate level.

These two points are just throwing money down the drain.

Once we do that however, let's start taxing everybody. And when I say that, I'm talking about more than just the middle class. Tax the rich. Tax the ultra rich. Tax every worker. Tax those who have VISAs. It's a shame that everytime the republicans take office, they try this same old trickle down economy and they have sold this BS to people and people have bought it hook line and sinker. Trickle down didn't work during Reagan's era. Trickle down didn't work for Daddy Bush. Trickle down didn't work for W... The funny thing with Bush 43's administration is that he actually caused the worse unemployment in history and then when people started getting unskilled workers positions, he procliamed success....Lose your house, but here's a $600.00 check. He may as well have just given that directly to the oil companies.

That's step 3.

Oil companies and their windfall profits.

The oil companies have been allowed to manipulate the market far worse than telephone companies could have in the early 80s. If they all agree to do what is necessary to keep prices high (and make profits) then it's a monopoly.

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[Diesel]

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What really will hurt America are the tax breaks he will take away from big business and corporations. People are so shallow they do not unerstand that big business are leaving America in droves to go over seas. Do people not realize that big business are who employs most Americans and that their tax breaks are essential to more jobs, better jobs, and imporved working conditions ? When their tax breaks go so will American jobs leaving even more unemployed poor peole to suck the government assistant programs dry while cripling the economy and the already weak dollar

I haven't heard Obama say anything about taking away tax breaks... in fact, I believe he said that there would be incentives for companies that stay in the US.

In fact, this is exactly what he said...

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"We have to stop providing tax breaks

for companies that are shipping jobs overseas

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give those tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States of America

," Obama said in during a debate with rival Senator Hillary Clinton in Cleveland, Ohio.

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"We can't have toys with lead paint in them that our children are playing with. We can't have medicines that are actually making people more sick instead of better because they're produced overseas," Obama said.

At the same time, he said, Americans cannot "shy away" from globalisation. "We can't draw a moat around us."

"The problem is we've been negotiating just looking at corporate profits and what's good for multinationals,"

Here's more:

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Barack Obama on Monday made an aggressive pitch at Ohio’s blue-collar workers by proposing a “Patriot Employers” plan that would lower corporate taxes for companies that did not ship jobs overseas.

…Mr Obama’s plan would lower the corporate tax rate for companies that met criteria including maintaining their headquarters in the US, maintaining or increasing their US workforce relative to their overseas workforce, holding a neutral position in union drives among their employees and providing decent healthcare.

and a little more...

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Obama said the country will have to place a greater emphasis on areas like science and technology that will define the workforce of the 21st century.

"We'll need to invest in the research and innovation necessary to create jobs and industries of the future right here in North Carolina, right here in the US.

"And one place where that investment would make an enormous difference is in a renewable energy policy that ends our addiction on foreign oil, provides real, long-term relief from high gas prices and high fuel costs, and builds a green economy that could create up to five million well-paying jobs that can't be outsourced," the Senator from llinois said.

Obama said the US "can also create millions of new jobs by rebuilding our schools, roads, bridges, and other critical infrastructure that needs repair.

"And because we know that we can't or shouldn't put up walls around our economy, a long-term agenda will also find a way to make trade work for American workers."

"We do the cause of free trade -- a cause I believe in -- no good when we pass trade agreements that hand out favours to special interests and do little to help workers who have to watch their factories close down. There is nothing protectionist about demanding that trade spread the benefits of globalisation as broadly as possible," Obama said.

[NJHAWK]

Defending Bush is the definition of insanity. It would be easier to defend Woody. Bush is a murderer, Woody only murders the Hawks offense.

[gsuteke]

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Defending Bush is the definition of insanity. It would be easier to defend Woody. Bush is a murderer, Woody only murders the Hawks offense.

You could use some medication.

[coachx]

If he follows through with that I would be very happy. However, he seems to contradict himself quite alot. (But so do all politicians.)

Have you read his book ?

This isn't hear say, it is in his own books. Scary.

Think you know who this man is?

This possible President of the United States?? Read Below and

ask yourselves, is this REALLY someone we can see as the

President of our great nation!!!!

Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was i ngratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

[AHF]

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And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

We already buried this deliberately misleading and disingenuous quote on this site. Give me a break with forwarding the blind Obama hate emails.

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This is the quote from the Audacity of Hope. Anyone who is trying to use this out of context on a radio show is pandering to people with an anti-Muslim agenda, IMO. Reading it in context it is nothing frightening at all unless you are nostalgic the days when you could cram Americans of Japenese ancestry into internment camps:

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"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Ooooh, look at the scary Muslim!!!!

Prior Obama Bashing Thread

If that the the most damning quote these people can come up with on Obama, that speaks very highly of him.

[gsuteke]

I'm sure there's also a legitimate explanation for that picture that shows him the only one not saluting the flag as well AHF?

[AHF]

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I'm sure there's also a legitimate explanation for that picture that shows him the only one not saluting the flag as well AHF?

He has said that sometimes he puts his hand on his heart during the national anthem and sometimes he doesn't. I don't find that particularly illuminating. I guess I am supposed to assume that he doesn't respect our country from the fact that he wasn't saluting during the national anthem? Note: the official protocol for the national anthem is to face the flag which means that everyone in the picture must hate America since no one was in the picture was facing the flag.

The attempts to smear Obama reek of desparation and dissatisfaction among the GOP with their own candidate, IMO. They would prefer to imply he is a communist Muslim than to explain why McCain is such a great presidential candidate.

Personally, I like McCain better than some conservative friends and would have easily voted for him over Bush & Gore or Bush & Kerry. I have not made up my mind for this election (although I am glad that Obama is the Dem nominee over Hillary). I just don't buy the:

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Obama hates American because he ordered Tator Tots instead of Freedom Fries!!!!!!

sorts of manufactured, disingenuous outrage.

[Diesel]

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I'm sure there's also a legitimate explanation for that picture that shows him the only one not saluting the flag as well AHF?

Are you saying that Obama doesn't pledge his allegiance... (see bottom photo)

Or

are you saying that whenever the flag is shown, he doesn't stop and salute it?

[Diesel]

[gsuteke]

I'm not saying anything, which must come as a suprise to you after reading through bits and pieces of this thread.

AHF seems to be Obama's PR representative on HS so I thought I'd ask him an open ended question.

[AHF]

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AHF seems to be Obama's PR representative on HS so I thought I'd ask him an open ended question.

I am not 100% sure on Obama for my vote at this point. I do like a number of things about him and question some others. Most of all, I just really resent some of the character assisination sort of stuff I have seen (more on other sites than this one but some of the same stuff is recycled).

[issacreid]

I hardly ever post much, but thanks for the insightful vid on Obama. I must say though, that anytime people get caught up about lapel pins or whether your hand is placed over your heart during the pledge of allegiance..... that is very indicative of why 81 perecent of people believe this country is going in the wrong direction.

[Eddielives]

Diesel, do you know the difference between a profit and a profit margin? If you do the research you will see that the oil companies are only making more profit in dollars because the cost of producing the gas that goes in the automobiles has gone up. The oil companies profit margin is LESS now than it was when a gallon of gas was $1.50 a gallon. For instance, 10 years ago Diesel enterprises was selling widgets for $1.10 a piece. The cost for Diesel to manufacture this widget was $1.00. Diesel ent. profited 10 cents per widget and thus had a profit margin of 10 percent. Fast forward ten years later, Diesel enterprises cannot produce widgets at the same cost anymore. It now costs $5.00 to produce one widget. Now Diesel enterprises decides to sell widgets for $5.75. Now the profit is 75 cents per widget. My god, Diesel's profits are obscene. This is where the demagogues attack the ignorance of the masses. They fail to point out that Diesel enterprises profit margin is less that it was 10 years ago when nobody had a problem with the widget price. This is the case now for the oil companies. That's not even mentioning the massive amounts of those...gasp!"windfall profits" which are then used to explore for more oil. Then you have the communist...uh excuse me, the environmentalists who have made the refining of gasoline more expensive in the summer especially. Then you have the refusal of opening up the very small section of anwar which was set aside specifically for drilling, and looks like a frozen over wal mart parking lot. Not to mention the refusal of politicians and people in florida to open up drilling in coastal waters....so far out by the way that nobody in their high rise condos would see the work being done.

Add in the fact that the american dollar is crap right now and you have the high oil barrel prices. If we start drilling tomorrow in anwar and off the coast of florida, you'll see the price of oil go down and thus gasoline. More refineries built wouldn't hurt either.

[Eddielives]

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The first step to fixing the economy is not oil. It is giving tax breaks to big American and foreign businesses who choose to use American workers and taking away tax breaks from business that use international and non- American workers.

The first two steps to fixing the economy is:

1. Ending the war (528 Billion dollars so far... and rapidly climbing.)

2. Closing down the border and stopping illegal immigration at the corporate level.

These two points are just throwing money down the drain.

Once we do that however, let's start taxing everybody. And when I say that, I'm talking about more than just the middle class. Tax the rich. Tax the ultra rich. Tax every worker. Tax those who have VISAs. It's a shame that everytime the republicans take office, they try this same old trickle down economy and they have sold this BS to people and people have bought it hook line and sinker. Trickle down didn't work during Reagan's era. Trickle down didn't work for Daddy Bush. Trickle down didn't work for W... The funny thing with Bush 43's administration is that he actually caused the worse unemployment in history and then when people started getting unskilled workers positions, he procliamed success....Lose your house, but here's a $600.00 check. He may as well have just given that directly to the oil companies.

That's step 3.

Oil companies and their windfall profits.

The oil companies have been allowed to manipulate the market far worse than telephone companies could have in the early 80s. If they all agree to do what is necessary to keep prices high (and make profits) then it's a monopoly.

The fair tax would tax everybody. The only people who would, at the end of each month, essentially not pay any taxes are the poor. The rebate check would go to every family/household to cover the consumption tax for the basic necessities of life. A tax plan that completely eliminates the poor from taxes at all. Sounds right up your alley!