Wow Britney

[atlien]

Can´t believe this ish, especially as it is targeted to pre-teens mainly.

"but all the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek amy"

Edited January 23, 2009 by atlien

[Admin]

Can´t believe this ish, especially as it is targeted to pre-teens mainly.

"but all the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek amy"

What's so bad about that song compared to her other stuff or her contemporaries?

[atlien]

Shes spelling out F*CK ME in a song that has a target audience of pre-teens. I guess its just indicative of the times, and I agree that this is the nature of contemporary pop culture... but damn... she actually spells out F*CK ME.

[Admin]

Shes spelling out F*CK ME in a song that has a target audience of pre-teens. I guess its just indicative of the times, and I agree that this is the nature of contemporary pop culture... but damn... she actually spells out F*CK ME.

Ah forgive me I didn't even notice that, I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to it. Now that I understand what you're saying I have to admit that's pretty bad but we shouldn't be surprised considering who we're talking about and how old was she when she did hit me baby one more time?

[AHF]

Shes spelling out F*CK ME in a song that has a target audience of pre-teens. I guess its just indicative of the times, and I agree that this is the nature of contemporary pop culture... but damn... she actually spells out F*CK ME.

Haven't heard it but that ticks me off as a parent of not near teens.

[Admin]

Haven't heard it but that ticks me off as a parent of not near teens.

You don't need to hear it to be offended by it as a parent of not near teens. I listened to it thinking there was something in the lyrics that were obviously bad but I didn't catch it and then I finally caught what atlien was saying.

but all the boys and all of the girls are begging to if (F) you (U) seek (CK) amy (ME)

[Eddielives]

You don't need to hear it to be offended by it as a parent of not near teens. I listened to it thinking there was something in the lyrics that were obviously bad but I didn't catch it and then I finally caught what atlien was saying.

but all the boys and all of the girls are begging to if (F) you (U) seek (CK) amy (ME)

If I hear my 11 year old stepdaughter listening to or singing this song, I will have a fit. I hope it doesn't get any radio station play. I didn't listen to it but take y'alls word that it is saying what it is saying. Simply disgusting but not really surprising coming from america's most famous piece of white trash....sorry if that offends anyone.

[TroyMcClure]

Can´t believe this ish, especially as it is targeted to pre-teens mainly.

"but all the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek amy"

I don't think she has ever been targeted to pre-teens, ala Miley Cirus. She's always been targeted to teens.

Don't take this the wrong way, but your boy(and mine, too)Andre says much worse things with regularity. Tons of girls listen to rap. Lots of pre teen and barely teen girls listen to rap with absolutely disgusting lyrics. Why aren't you up in arms about that?

[mrhonline]

I don't think she has ever been targeted to pre-teens, ala Miley Cirus. She's always been targeted to unhappily-married, middle-aged men.

FYP

[DrReality]

Scum bag. Sold her soul.

[atlien]

I don't think she has ever been targeted to pre-teens, ala Miley Cirus. She's always been targeted to teens.

Don't take this the wrong way, but your boy(and mine, too)Andre says much worse things with regularity. Tons of girls listen to rap. Lots of pre teen and barely teen girls listen to rap with absolutely disgusting lyrics. Why aren't you up in arms about that?

To me, it's a distinction between content and how that content is marketed to a mass audience by corporate America.

Sure, there are rap groups that say despicable things (Outkast not being one of them IMO), but I dont think they are comparable to this unless the corporate machine markets them to a young audience the way Britney is. Thus, I do have problems with rap groups that fall into that category (I cant really hit you off with an example as I dont listen to mainstream rap these days).

What really gets me about modern pop culture is how sexuality is unabashedly shoved down the throats of a very young audience. Im talking the Pussycat Dolls and Girlicious (the worst offenders IMO). And yes, Britney falls into that category. I bet the average audience of the song posted above is 12-15 year old girls.

Content-wise, I think the song sucks.

But it is how it is marketed to a young audience that gets me. A 12 year old listening to this ish just aint right. End rant.

[ecc423]

i wish bill hicks was alive so i could hear his response....

she's an agent from the dark underbelly of hedonism minions exposed to use to undermine our childrens souls, while few see her as she is, an inverted angel of the flesh protruding lustful deceit...

...something like that, maybe

.....let the dead bury their on dead.

go hawks.

[Eddielives]

To me, it's a distinction between content and how that content is marketed to a mass audience by corporate America.

Sure, there are rap groups that say despicable things (Outkast not being one of them IMO), but I dont think they are comparable to this unless the corporate machine markets them to a young audience the way Britney is. Thus, I do have problems with rap groups that fall into that category (I cant really hit you off with an example as I dont listen to mainstream rap these days).

What really gets me about modern pop culture is how sexuality is unabashedly shoved down the throats of a very young audience. Im talking the Pussycat Dolls and Girlicious (the worst offenders IMO). And yes, Britney falls into that category. I bet the average audience of the song posted above is 12-15 year old girls.

Content-wise, I think the song sucks.

But it is how it is marketed to a young audience that gets me. A 12 year old listening to this ish just aint right. End rant.

I agree w/ atlien. You can't keep popular music from the ears of young impressionable minds. My stepdaughter likes the whole pop/dance/whatever you call Brittney, Jonas Bros., Miley Cyrus, etc. just like her peers. Heck, I can remember being about 8 years old and liking Madonna's like a Virgin and material girl, stuff like that too. It's really nothing new though. I'm no prude by any means and I don't condone censorship but it irritates the crap out of me to know my kids, hell, everybody's kids are being conditioned more and more to accept blatant sexuality as cool and normal. But what do you do though? I guess just monitor what they listen to and try to educate them as to the possible problems that can come from taking crap like Brittany Spears too seriously. I wound up becoming a nerd headbanger who took heavy metal too seriously for a while and it led me to some minor problems so I can't really expect much different now that I am the concerned parent.

[Admin]

I agree w/ atlien. You can't keep popular music from the ears of young impressionable minds. My stepdaughter likes the whole pop/dance/whatever you call Brittney, Jonas Bros., Miley Cyrus, etc. just like her peers. Heck, I can remember being about 8 years old and liking Madonna's like a Virgin and material girl, stuff like that too. It's really nothing new though. I'm no prude by any means and I don't condone censorship but it irritates the crap out of me to know my kids, hell, everybody's kids are being conditioned more and more to accept blatant sexuality as cool and normal. But what do you do though? I guess just monitor what they listen to and try to educate them as to the possible problems that can come from taking crap like Brittany Spears too seriously. I wound up becoming a nerd headbanger who took heavy metal too seriously for a while and it led me to some minor problems so I can't really expect much different now that I am the concerned parent.

First off, I'm not a parent and if I were I might feel completely different about this but here are my 2 pennies on the issue.

Is it time that America stopped being so uptight about nudity and sexuality? When you look at the world as a whole we're pretty repressed and maybe that's a good thing or maybe it's not, but I can't help but think of how people from mostly European countries have told me how we're viewed as being so prudish about this stuff. In many countries in Europe it's perfectly normal for any member of the family to walk around the house nude and I think because of that they don't have such a taboo outlook on the human body because of it. Again I'm not saying that's right and God knows I wouldn't have wanted to see my parents or siblings walking around nude when I was a kid and certainly not now but if I was raised in a culture where that was acceptable I wonder if I'd feel differently about it.

I don't know if you guys have seen the movie "Broken Flowers" or not (I haven't although I did read about it) but it's another movie that has come out with full frontal nudity and in the comments on IMDB someone mentioned that (24 year old Alexis Dziena) plays a young girl who has a scene where she is completely nude and talking on the phone and that she had to wear a "merkin" (pubic wig) because of the movie rating system in America so that it wouldn't get an NC-17 rating but that in Germany where he was from it had a G rating. Now that may have been a joke about what it's rated there but the point is still the same.

Also, I can't remember where I read this, maybe an article in Playboy, but it was a month or maybe a few months ago and it talked about how one country in Europe has the lowest rate of sexual abuse in the world and I want to say it was Denmark but I'm not certain and the experts that were interviewed in the article talked basically said that because the males were exposed to female nudity growing up that it wasn't something they abused/raped women to see and that they had a higher respect for women because of it. Not surprisingly Africa and the Middle East were by far the worst offenders with extremely high rates of sexual abuse towards women.

[Eddielives]

First off, I'm not a parent and if I were I might feel completely different about this but here are my 2 pennies on the issue.

Is it time that America stopped being so uptight about nudity and sexuality? When you look at the world as a whole we're pretty repressed and maybe that's a good thing or maybe it's not, but I can't help but think of how people from mostly European countries have told me how we're viewed as being so prudish about this stuff. In many countries in Europe it's perfectly normal for any member of the family to walk around the house nude and I think because of that they don't have such a taboo outlook on the human body because of it. Again I'm not saying that's right and God knows I wouldn't have wanted to see my parents or siblings walking around nude when I was a kid and certainly not now but if I was raised in a culture where that was acceptable I wonder if I'd feel differently about it.

I don't know if you guys have seen the movie "Broken Flowers" or not (I haven't although I did read about it) but it's another movie that has come out with full frontal nudity and in the comments on IMDB someone mentioned that (24 year old Alexis Dziena) plays a young girl who has a scene where she is completely nude and talking on the phone and that she had to wear a "merkin" (pubic wig) because of the movie rating system in America so that it wouldn't get an NC-17 rating but that in Germany where he was from it had a G rating. Now that may have been a joke about what it's rated there but the point is still the same.

Also, I can't remember where I read this, maybe an article in Playboy, but it was a month or maybe a few months ago and it talked about how one country in Europe has the lowest rate of sexual abuse in the world and I want to say it was Denmark but I'm not certain and the experts that were interviewed in the article talked basically said that because the males were exposed to female nudity growing up that it wasn't something they abused/raped women to see and that they had a higher respect for women because of it. Not surprisingly Africa and the Middle East were by far the worst offenders with extremely high rates of sexual abuse towards women.

Oh I totally agree. I'm not as articulate as you guys have been with this but here's more on my take. It's like countries where drugs are decriminalized that have lower amounts of drug abuse due to money being spent on treatment rather than law enforcement. Same with alcohol. Countries where there are less strict laws on age and alcohol consumption tend to have less issues with dui's and alcoholism. We can see a person get murdered all day long on tv but show some nudity and alert the feds! I think my concerns as a parent stem from the fact that, like you said, sexuality is repressed and thus the kids don't really understand it. So when they see such a glamorization of it and the envelope continually being pushed by stuff like Brittany, it makes it more confusing for them and more difficult for us to help them understand what this stuff is all about. I wouldn't care if we could change overnight the prudish culture we have but it's not going to happen. Thus we have kids who are even more tempted and confused. For me, it basically should be one way or the other. Either let go of the taboo's that make stuff like this so tempting to kids and confuse them or put more of a concerted effort into changing the public's acceptance of over the line, so to speak, displays of sexuality and violence. It's the double standard america has with violence vs. nudity/sexuality that is so frustrating.

[mrhonline]

Is it time that America stopped being so uptight about nudity and sexuality?

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what the Europeans think of America. Quite frankly, I could care less what Americans think of me. We should do what's right, not what's popular.

To your point:

1. I think there's a huge difference between public sexuality and private sexuality. As far as I'm concerned, consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in private. But there's always been restrictions, and rightfully so, on what people are able to do in public - particularly in the areas of time, place, and manner. More importantly, the American market imposes a lot of restrictions on itself, and that's quite logical - a business has to take it's customers' beliefs into consideration.

2. Yes, you're right. Most people become more "moral" when they have a child. :)

[dlpin]

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what the Europeans think of America. Quite frankly, I could care less what Americans think of me. We should do what's right, not what's popular.

To your point:

1. I think there's a huge difference between public sexuality and private sexuality. As far as I'm concerned, consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in private. But there's always been restrictions, and rightfully so, on what people are able to do in public - particularly in the areas of time, place, and manner. More importantly, the American market imposes a lot of restrictions on itself, and that's quite logical - a business has to take it's customers' beliefs into consideration.

2. Yes, you're right. Most people become more "moral" when they have a child. :)

I don't think Dolfan's post is about anyone DOING anything in public. It is more about the extreme amount of regulations on nudity being displayed.

I.e., all the regulations on nudity on TV, on the movies, etc.

It becomes taboo. Of course, I am not advocating full on porn in the afternoons, but all these regulations that prohibit any amount of nudity to be displayed even late night, for example, or that makes any innocent movie with a boob or two R rated, end up creating this taboo that makes nudity something "dirty." That is why things like the girls gone wild series are not at all popular in Europe. Breasts have become somewhat de-sexualized over there. You go to a beach and there will be tons of topless women of all shapes and sizes, and no one ogles them because it is so natural. That, of course, leads to a lot less feelings of sexual inadequacy.

And it is not just Europe vs the US, and it is not just nudity. Before the drinking age was raised to 21 nationally, states with lower drinking ages had fewer cases of alcohol abuse per capita.

And none of this means that people would be forced to put up with it. In Europe you can still go to beaches where there are fewer or none topless women. You can still control what your kids watch, etc. But when government is there enforcing all these sorts of regulations, it creates a situation where everything becomes taboo, and therefore sexualized and enticing. Wet t-shirt contests, girls gone wild, silly movies where the only purpose is showing boobs, etc. are all less popular in Europe. And in turn the average age people become sexually active there is higher, the teenage pregnancy rate is lower, and the sexual assault rate is lower. People can still be as strict and moral raising their kids, but there is simply no big brother state determining what you can watch on tv at 1am in your home. In several aspects the European states are more intrusive, but this is one of the areas they are less intrusive and hands on, and I tend to agree with it.

[Admin]

Oh I totally agree. I'm not as articulate as you guys have been with this but here's more on my take. It's like countries where drugs are decriminalized that have lower amounts of drug abuse due to money being spent on treatment rather than law enforcement. Same with alcohol. Countries where there are less strict laws on age and alcohol consumption tend to have less issues with dui's and alcoholism. We can see a person get murdered all day long on tv but show some nudity and alert the feds! I think my concerns as a parent stem from the fact that, like you said, sexuality is repressed and thus the kids don't really understand it. So when they see such a glamorization of it and the envelope continually being pushed by stuff like Brittany, it makes it more confusing for them and more difficult for us to help them understand what this stuff is all about. I wouldn't care if we could change overnight the prudish culture we have but it's not going to happen. Thus we have kids who are even more tempted and confused. For me, it basically should be one way or the other. Either let go of the taboo's that make stuff like this so tempting to kids and confuse them or put more of a concerted effort into changing the public's acceptance of over the line, so to speak, displays of sexuality and violence. It's the double standard america has with violence vs. nudity/sexuality that is so frustrating.

I don't know who these articulate guys you are referring to are but ... it's definitely true about drugs, alcohol, firearms, nudity, etc. The more that you make it this taboo thing the more that people will want to do it.

[Admin]

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what the Europeans think of America. Quite frankly, I could care less what Americans think of me. We should do what's right, not what's popular.

To your point:

1. I think there's a huge difference between public sexuality and private sexuality. As far as I'm concerned, consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in private. But there's always been restrictions, and rightfully so, on what people are able to do in public - particularly in the areas of time, place, and manner. More importantly, the American market imposes a lot of restrictions on itself, and that's quite logical - a business has to take it's customers' beliefs into consideration.

2. Yes, you're right. Most people become more "moral" when they have a child. :)

I'm not suggesting that we care what the Europeans think of us, not by a long stretch, I'm simply suggesting that we consider the way that the world views us as prudes because of how we make such a big deal out of nudity. As dlpin said I'm definitely not advocating people doing things in public and I'm definitely not advocating porn on mainstream TV but if we didn't make sexuality and nudity such a big deal would a song like this Britney one really be that shocking? I'd venture to guess that if it weren't possible for it to be shocking then she probably wouldn't have done the song in the first place since it's a pretty dull song anyway.

[Admin]

I don't think Dolfan's post is about anyone DOING anything in public. It is more about the extreme amount of regulations on nudity being displayed.

I.e., all the regulations on nudity on TV, on the movies, etc.

It becomes taboo. Of course, I am not advocating full on porn in the afternoons, but all these regulations that prohibit any amount of nudity to be displayed even late night, for example, or that makes any innocent movie with a boob or two R rated, end up creating this taboo that makes nudity something "dirty." That is why things like the girls gone wild series are not at all popular in Europe. Breasts have become somewhat de-sexualized over there. You go to a beach and there will be tons of topless women of all shapes and sizes, and no one ogles them because it is so natural. That, of course, leads to a lot less feelings of sexual inadequacy.

And it is not just Europe vs the US, and it is not just nudity. Before the drinking age was raised to 21 nationally, states with lower drinking ages had fewer cases of alcohol abuse per capita.

And none of this means that people would be forced to put up with it. In Europe you can still go to beaches where there are fewer or none topless women. You can still control what your kids watch, etc. But when government is there enforcing all these sorts of regulations, it creates a situation where everything becomes taboo, and therefore sexualized and enticing. Wet t-shirt contests, girls gone wild, silly movies where the only purpose is showing boobs, etc. are all less popular in Europe. And in turn the average age people become sexually active there is higher, the teenage pregnancy rate is lower, and the sexual assault rate is lower. People can still be as strict and moral raising their kids, but there is simply no big brother state determining what you can watch on tv at 1am in your home. In several aspects the European states are more intrusive, but this is one of the areas they are less intrusive and hands on, and I tend to agree with it.

Yep you've pretty much nailed my feelings on this ... although it's a mixed bag on the nudity at the beaches since anyone who's ever been to a nude beach in the states will tell you that it's usually not the good looking people going there LOL.