2018 draft

[DBac]

So excited to see MPJ play today. Don’t think it’ll be a big workload but who knows.

[DBac]

Pelton's draft projections

Player	Top 100	Stats	Rank	Consensus	Rank
Jaren Jackson Jr.	4	3.6	2	3.7	1
Deandre Ayton	1	2.5	5	3.7	2
Mohamed Bamba	3	3.2	3	3.6	3
Trae Young	8	2.8	4	2.8	4
Marvin Bagley III	5	2.2	10	2.6	5
Jontay Porter	36	3.6	1	2.5	6
Wendell Carter Jr	7	2.1	11	2.4	7
Robert Williams	14	2.1	12	2.0	8
Mikal Bridges	12	1.9	14	1.9	9
De'Anthony Melton	28	2.4	6	1.8	10
Daniel Gafford	15	1.8	15	1.8	11
Miles Bridges	11	1.4	24	1.7	12
Jacob Evans	24	1.8	16	1.5	13
Shamorie Ponds	58	2.4	7	1.4	15
Markus Howard	NR	2.2	8	1.3	16
John Konchar	NR	2.2	9	1.3	17
Lonnie Walker IV	13	0.9	45	1.2	18
Troy Brown	17	1.1	37	1.2	19
Collin Sexton	9	0.6	59	1.2	20
Landry Shamet	29	1.5	23	1.2	21

[KB21]

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/03/08/pre-tourney-notes/

Some interesting takes from this article.  

[KB21]

Also note, Kevin Pelton came out with his big board for the draft.  It's based upon his statistical model of projecting WARP.  Because of this, he only rates the college players.  No international guys.

His top overall college prospect: Jaren Jackson Jr.

1.  Jaren Jackson Jr

2.  DeAndre Ayton

3.  Mohamed Bamba

4.  Trae Young

5.  Marvin Bagley III

6.  Jontay Porter

7.  Wendell Carter Jr

8.  Robert Williams

9.  Mikal Bridges

10.  DeAnthony Melton

[DBac]

Top 5 in my heart still

 

[DBac]

MPJ isn't playing well but his brother is gonna make himself a lotta money with his performance today. A 5 that can stretch the floor and pass like him is very valuable. Young too.

[DBac]

At what range would yall be alright taking Mikal?

 

[KB21]

45 minutes ago, DBac said:

At what range would yall be alright taking Mikal?

 

In the 6-9 range.

[DBac]

11 minutes ago, KB21 said:

In the 6-9 range.

I'm leaning closer to 6 tbh. I'd rather have him than Bagley for us and I like him more than Miles, WCJ, Bamba.

[KB21]

Just now, DBac said:

I'm leaning closer to 6 tbh. I'd rather have him than Bagley for us and I like him more than Miles, WCJ, Bamba.

I'd favor WCJ because I see some Horford there, but I do feel that we will get better sooner with Bridges.

[DBac]

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

I'd favor WCJ because I see some Horford there, but I do feel that we will get better sooner with Bridges.

Yeah if WCJ has Horford to him then he's > Mikal. Mikal reminds me of Otto Porter Jr.

[KB21]

Honestly, if we came out of this draft with Mikal Bridges and Ethan Happ, I'd be very happy.  The Hawks would have two players that can help them right away on the defensive end.  

Right now, I'm not banking on the Minnesota pick conveying.  

[NBASupes]

My March Madness Top 10 prospects: 

1. Marvin Bagley III- Best player in this class. Offense translates. Will surprise teams with his defensive impact. 

2. DeAndre Ayton- Instant impact on offense Day 1. Defense has some question marks, especially off of the ball. His offensive potential is through the roof. 

3. Mo Bamba- Highest ceiling with the lowest floor. I see him as a special prospect but he will take some time. See Giannis and KP. But that's if coaching and the team is the right fit. 

4. Luka Doncic- Highest floor in this class. Should be a gamer Day 1. His potential is what scares you. 

5t. Michael Porter Jr. - I like his HS tape. That's all I can base this off of. 

5t. Jaren Jackson - I am a huge fan of his defense and versatility. I compare him to a potential rich man's Clint Capela with shades of Antonio Davis. 

7. Mikal Bridges- I like his defense. I don't see anything freakish but he can be a very good 3/D player. 

8. Collin Sexton - I love his potential but I am not a fan of his floor. For a PG, he really needs a lot of work but his talent is up there and he's very athletic. 

9. Wendell Carter Jr. - Not a fan of his potential but his floor is one of the highest in this class. 

10t. Miles Bridges - I am a much bigger fan of his NBA potential than college potential. The Malcolm Mitchell of this class. 

10t. Trae Young - He's a boom or bust prospect like Bamba. Could change the game like Curry or could fade fast. I think he's more of a year one-two 6th man in a role similar to Isaiah. 

[Blunt91]

Ayton seems like he may be a project.  I was high on him but he doesn't always show up.  Doesn't look good against strong competition. I would take Bagley over him if we had #1 overall. I read he was in the band back in middle school as well as trying to play basketball.  Don't know how early of an age he first picked up a basketball he may have a steep learning curve to accomplish.

[bleachkit]

Michael Porter Jr has not looked good at all. Ayton didn't have a great game either, but he still cleaned up the glass. I think I'm leaning towards Doncic or Bagley.

[Blunt91]

37 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Michael Porter Jr has not looked good at all. Ayton didn't have a great game either, but he still cleaned up the glass. I think I'm leaning towards Doncic or Bagley.

Michael is still not 100% healthy one of the commentators stated that he said before the game he was 68%of his health.  He was visibly tired by the end of the game but I got to take my hat off to him for at least trying to play.  I'm willing to 3-see how he does at the combine and individual workouts. He needs to get a lot stronger in the upper body he was having trouble holding ground against a much smaller player on one play.86

[h4wkfan]

For the more savvy talent evaluators, what are your thoughts on Kyri Thomas out of Creighton ... If he were to use our pick from Minnesota on him?

I watched a couple of Creighton games this year, and I really like his game. My real question. Do you think he has the talent to play PG in the league?

The scenario in my head: If we manage to pick up Luka with our first pick, one of his weaknesses is defense. However, he is a playmaker and can serve as a pseudo point guard. 

Now with Kyri playmaking is not his greatest quality. However, he can handle the rock pretty well, is an elite defender, and can play off ball and hit the spot up 3. 

His Defense should help some of Luka's weaknesses and Luka's playmaking should help Kyri's. So what are your thoughts on a future back court of Kyri and Luka? Think it would excel or bust? 

Edited April 5, 2018 by h4wkfan

[KB21]

11 hours ago, h4wkfan said:

For the more savvy talent evaluators, what are your thoughts on Kyri Thomas out of Creighton ... If he were to use our pick from Minnesota on him?

I watched a couple of Creighton games this year, and I really like his game. My real question. Do you think he has the talent to play PG in the league?

The scenario in my head: If we manage to pick up Luka with our first pick, one of his weaknesses is defense. However, he is a playmaker and can serve as a pseudo point guard. 

Now with Kyri playmaking is not his greatest quality. However, he can handle the rock pretty well, is an elite defender, and can play off ball and hit the spot up 3. 

His Defense should help some of Luka's weaknesses and Luka's playmaking should help Kyri's. So what are your thoughts on a future back court of Kyri and Luka? Think it would excel or bust? 

I like him, but I think he is more of a combo guard type who will come off the bench.

[ATLien_]

On 4/5/2018 at 9:12 AM, h4wkfan said:

For the more savvy talent evaluators, what are your thoughts on Kyri Thomas out of Creighton ... If he were to use our pick from Minnesota on him?

I watched a couple of Creighton games this year, and I really like his game. My real question. Do you think he has the talent to play PG in the league?

The scenario in my head: If we manage to pick up Luka with our first pick, one of his weaknesses is defense. However, he is a playmaker and can serve as a pseudo point guard. 

Now with Kyri playmaking is not his greatest quality. However, he can handle the rock pretty well, is an elite defender, and can play off ball and hit the spot up 3. 

His Defense should help some of Luka's weaknesses and Luka's playmaking should help Kyri's. So what are your thoughts on a future back court of Kyri and Luka? Think it would excel or bust? 

I was actually going to post about Kyri,  he is a good pairing with Luka if we draft Luka I would definitely look at him at 19. He's a combo guard not a PG as @KB21 has pointed out, but Luka is your pg in this scenario, so he becomes a secondary ball handler which is fine for him. He is one of the best perimeter defenders in this draft and has almost a 7foot wingspan, so he can take the tougher defensive assignment between PG and SG to hide Luka. He's also i think, a 40% 3pt shooter in college.

I don't love the fit defensively or offensively for Dennis and Luka. Both are poor defenders that allow dribble penetration and both are poor to below average 3 point shooters.

Luka will need the spacing Kyri can provide because his speed is just average by NBA standards and his quickness is below average. Teams will go under on he and Dennis all game. My comp for Kyri is Patrick Beverly with a bit more offensive upside.

Troy Brown is a higher upside option, but I would pair him with Porter Jr not Luka. Troy Brown and Luka would clash because he's a better defending worse shooting version of Luka. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by ATLien_
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[Spud2nique]

On 1/2/2018 at 10:35 AM, AHF said:

Anybody else super primed for January 27th - Alabama (Sexton) vs Oklahoma (Young)?

 

@kg01 was I’m sure…