Spud2nique Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, AHF said: Trae certainly has the passing ability to optimize his performance. Exactly to my point that Trae can get the same amount of effeciency out of Jones on offense as Len but Damian offers better rim protection hence why he should start in my opinion. He has a lot of untapped potential and we have shown in recent years to develop players at an above average rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spud2nique Posted August 15, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, hazer said: I think you may be confusing me with others claiming DJ will wrangle the starting reins from Len. I’m not of that opinion. In fact, I’m of the opinion that FerNANdoooo will be wrangling the backup spot from DJ. DJ how daaaare u?????? We have a 3 headed monster at center ala Longley, Wennington and Perdue. Let’s face it we don’t have world beaters at the center position but we can one ☝ to untap their talents in Trae. I like what Damian CAN do. Physically imposing and doing his number one job of protecting the rim and on offense catching lobs from Trae is his role. 18-22 minutes whether he starts or not one would imagine. It’s funny in Damian’s case it’s the opposite of most players, he’s been a 2 time champ in his 3 year career but now he needs to recognize that he has been given an opportunity to get as much PT as his play dictates, it’s up to him to take advantage of it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Peoriabird said: Yep...He was so important to them, They traded him for a sack of potatoes and then went out and signed WCS and Looney for more money. Wonder why? You know exactly why: they’re contending for the title every year. Hawks aren’t in that position. Yet... Edited August 16, 2019 by hazer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, AHF said: You act like starting for GS is some mark of commendation for him. That is the big stretch - promoting him as "the starting center for the back-to-back NBA champs!" As if he had anything to do with those rings. Jeremy Lin played over 3x as many minutes in the playoffs as Jones and Lin's starter teammate didn't get hurt and miss games and Lin was still washed and irrelevant. Jones starting for them was like Mario West starting for the Hawks only they could carry him to victories. The plan when he started was to have better players step in early and often for him. The numbers say he was below league average in his career best season last year. The most remarkable thing about him is that he is the youngest guy NBA player I've ever heard of who has torn his pecs twice. This doesn't make him worthless but to promote him like he was any kind of factor in them winning rings when he played a grand total of 8 minutes in the playoffs last season and barely did more in prior seasons is just silly. He was a bit role player that they were happy to unload this offseason after Kevin Looney stepped in for him and outperformed him last season. Does that mean he can't fill a role for us? Nope. I do have some hope that he has skills that Trae can highlight and that he has the frame and athleticism to play a positive role for us on defense. But let's not be ridiculous with what he has accomplished and who he has been. If he plays a meaningful role for us, it will be his first meaningful role in the NBA. And DJ is replacing Dedmon. We went from starting last season with a center rotation of Len & Dedmon to starting this season with a rotation of Len & Jones. Anyone can see what part of that equation changed. I do hope you are right about Fernando stepping up. That will be a good sign if he seizes a big role regardless of how Jones performs (actually probably an even better sign if Jones plays well and Fernando still takes the job). Bruno is pretty raw but is an exciting talent with a lot of upside if things come together for him. You’re reading more into my post than I’m putting into it. I’m not implying he had anything to do with their back-to-back rings. My point is if he’s good enough to be the fill in starter for back-to-back champs and go 15-9 in those 24 games, he’ll be fine as the Hawks 2nd and 3rd string C for now. For a team who may only accidentally sneak into the 8th seed. Is that clearer? Edited August 16, 2019 by hazer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, hazer said: Yet... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted August 16, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, hazer said: You’re reading more into my post than I’m putting into it. I’m not implying he had anything to do with their back-to-back rings. My point is if he’s good enough to be the fill in starter for back-to-back champs and go 15-9 in those 24 games, he’ll be fine as the Hawks 2nd and 3rd string C for now. For a team who may only accidentally sneak into the 8th seed. Is that clearer? No. Even champs have gleague fodder as filli-in’s. There is no imputed value to him from that, imo. GS has seen similar starts from Pat McCraw, Quinn Cook, Omri Casspi, James McAdoo and other guys who are barely rosterable. It means next to nothing. I draw 100x more value from seeing what he did, whether they trusted him in the playoffs, etc. than saying “Bill Wennington was a starter for the 6x champion Bulls so that means he must be a valuable add, right?” I don’t disagree with you that he may be fine as a 2nd or 3rd string center for a team that doesn’t aspire to make the playoffs but that is a pretty low bar and has nothing to do with GS’s championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, AHF said: No. Even champs have gleague fodder as filli-in’s. There is no imputed value to him from that, imo. GS has seen similar starts from Pat McCraw, Quinn Cook, Omri Casspi, James McAdoo and other guys who are barely rosterable. It means next to nothing. I draw 100x more value from seeing what he did, whether they trusted him in the playoffs, etc. than saying “Bill Wennington was a starter for the 6x champion Bulls so that means he must be a valuable add, right?” I don’t disagree with you that he may be fine as a 2nd or 3rd string center for a team that doesn’t aspire to make the playoffs but that is a pretty low bar and has nothing to do with GS’s championships. “ “ ~ Jimmy Conway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thecampster Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 https://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy-deep-cuts-east-180622384.html " Atlanta Hawks Alex Len will start for the Hawks, most likely, joining Trae Young, Kevin Huerter, De'Andre Hunter and John Collins. Ankle issues plagued Len early in his career, but he doesn't deserve the "injury prone" tag -- he's still 26 years old and has played at least 69 games in five straight seasons (with 77+ in three of those). Len's perimeter shooting is what intrigues me most -- after the All-Star break last year, he averaged 1.9 triples on 41.0% shooting from deep, scoring 13.4 points with 5.2 boards, 1.3 assists, 0.8 blocks and 0.3 steals in just 22.3 minutes. Len could fade if rookie Bruno Fernando develops faster than expected, or Damian Jones muscles his way into more playing time, but he's still an intriguing option in the final rounds." 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 17, 2019 Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, thecampster said: Damian Jones muscles his way into more playing time, 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted August 17, 2019 Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 My wishful thinking has Bruno developing like Wile E. Coyote on HGH with the game savvy of Tim Duncan, but patience is supposedly a virtue so do see Jones probably getting those minutes now. Pic-n-roll points and fast break starting defense by Jones as opposed to being just the pinewood bum predicted by a few. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted August 18, 2019 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/15/2019 at 6:44 PM, Spud2nique said: how daaaare u?????? We have a 3 headed monster at center ala Longley, Wennington and Perdue. Let’s face it we don’t have world beaters at the center position but we can one ☝ to untap their talents in Trae. I like what Damian CAN do. Physically imposing and doing his number one job of protecting the rim and on offense catching lobs from Trae is his role. 18-22 minutes whether he starts or not one would imagine. It’s funny in Damian’s case it’s the opposite of most players, he’s been a 2 time champ in his 3 year career but now he needs to recognize that he has been given an opportunity to get as much PT as his play dictates, it’s up to him to take advantage of it. Check out your boy at the AEBL. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Check out your boy at the AEBL. it. If he understands his role and accepts it, he is going to get about 82 oops upside ur heads a season from Trae alone. I wonder if our player development dudes just salivate at the potential of physically imposing guys like Damian and Hunter. Ps Again I just want to say again that Len’s shooting if much smoother specially from those corners but Damian almost brings everything Len doesn’t so they complement each other well. We have a good problem in Atlanta. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 25, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 I hope this translates this season as the full time starter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: I hope this translates this season as the full time starter. A seven footer nailing forty percent from three is a gift. Expecting a couple or so more attempts per game this time around based on him probably hardly ever playing less than 28 minutes a contest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 22, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Quote In the last five years, among seven-footers with at least 50 non-dunk attempts around the rim, Len has ranked 30th out of 30 in 2018-19, 29thout of 32 in 2017-18, 34th out of 34 in 2016-17, 33rd out of 33 in 2015-16, and 25th out of 30 in 2014-15 in field goal percentage. That’s not merely bad, that’s consistently woeful. There are three key reasons why Len’s finishing is so incredibly poor compared to his peers. First, he lacks quite a bit of vertical explosion, which forces him to have to load up when he needs to jump at the rim,. From there, he goes for a lot of tip-ins, which count in the statistics as attempts but have a much lower success rate than normal non-dunk finishes. Finally, he has relatively weak hands for his size, which leads him to try difficult tip-ins over grabbing offensive rebounds and defenders stripping him as he goes up. All three of these reasons are related in one way or another. Quote Len can’t catch the ball around his shoulders and explode from there, he has to bring the ball back down in order to swing his arms through to elevate to the rim. This lack of explosiveness in his legs makes it easier for defenders to poke the ball away before he swings his arms back up and gives fellow big men the time they need to recover for blocks or stronger contests. His stone-like hands hurt him in pick-and-roll and around the rim, where he lacks a lot of touch even when he doesn’t get the ball knocked out of his hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted October 22, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 8/15/2019 at 10:54 PM, hazer said: You know exactly why: they’re contending for the title every year. Hawks aren’t in that position. Yet... Now we know the real reason why. Jones will definitely be out of the league in 2-3 years if not sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Peoriabird said: Now we know the real reason why. Jones will definitely be out of the league in 2-3 years if not sooner. Hasn’t played 1 single second of “official” ball for the Hawks yet. I’m not a fan, but give it a minute, ight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted October 23, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, hazer said: Hasn’t played 1 single second of “official” ball for the Hawks yet. I’m not a fan, but give it a minute, ight? Yes he has...In Preseason. We all know what this guy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Peoriabird said: Yes he has...In Preseason. Ohhhhhhh, my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted October 23, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Lol people obsessing over the preseason. It's a 4 game sample with funky lineups. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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