Official 2019 Draft thread

[JTB]

52 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I like the idea of two 2nds 41 and 44 and 10 for 9

Love that idea 

[NBASupes]

Seems like Hunter stock isn't as steady as he assumed it would be. 

[Spud2nique]

4 hours ago, kg01 said:

(Too far?)

Haha, seeing Klay go down changed him ... and maybe me too. 

 

[NBASupes]

Seems like Hunter stock isn't as steady as he assumed it woulbe. 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

This guy said Trae would be a star...his take on Reddish.

 

 

 

[NBASupes]

I am listening to Rashad right now. Can't say I agree on his take of R.J. or his Cam is T-Mac. I did like the Randy Moss comparison although I don't completely agree. 

 

I always saw Moss as an elite piece you add to a very good or elite offense or with a very good to excellent QB but we saw him in Oakland. Limited route runner, not gonna run the route tree, he tends run flys, stops v. CB playing 10 yards off the LOS and jump balls. "Most of the passes thrown his way, though, were from the numbers outside or more than 20 yards downfield.  I didn’t see many quick slants, general in routes, or the short or intermediate dig or general crossing routes"

 

You added him to Oakland, he got 123 targets and 60 REC and 92 targets and 42 REC. He looked like a shell of himself. 

But I don't see R.J. as Oubre at all or even close. 

 

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1091-all-ball-with-doug-gottli-29058973/episode/warriors-wont-overcome-the-injuries-doug-45794281/

[NBASupes]

Saturday, June 15:

Nicolas Claxton (Georgia) – Center, 6-11, 220

An early-entry candidate ▪ Played two seasons at University of Georgia, and as a sophomore, averaged 13.0 points, 8.6 rebounds, 2.5 blocks, 1.8 assists and 1.1 steals in 31.6 minutes (.460 FG%, .641 FT%), starting all 32 games ▪ All-SEC Second Team ▪ SEC Academic Honor Roll in both of his seasons in Athens ▪ Ranked 10th nationally in blocks per game ▪ Both parents, Charles and Nicole, attended UGA and Charles was a four-year letterwinner (1992-95) and All-SEC performer in 1993 ▪ Attended Legacy Charter School in Greenville, SC.

 

Sekou Doumbouya (Limoges) – Forward, 6-8, 230

Name is pronounced “say-koo doom-BOO-yah” ▪ An early-entry candidate ▪ Played in 39 games (15 starts) this past season for Limoges in France, averaging 7.2 points and 3.0 rebounds in 18.1 minutes (.478 FG%, .315 3FG%, .756 FT%) ▪ Previously played for Poitiers Basket 86 (France) ▪ Made his French national team debut at FIBA 2016 Europe U18 Championship in Turkey ▪ Attended the INSEP Sports Institute in Paris ▪ Born in Conakry, Guinea.

 

Aric Holman (Mississippi State) – Forward – 6-10, 225

First name is pronounced “Eric” ▪ Played four seasons at Mississippi State, and as a senior last season, averaged 9.5 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.6 blocks and 1.2 assists in 24.4 minutes (.473 FG%, .429 3FG%, .701 FT%), appearing in 34 contests (20 starts) ▪ Ranked second on the team in rebounds per game (6.2) last season ▪ The Owensboro, KY native attended Owensboro High School and led them to the state championship in 2015.

 

Mfiondu Kabengele (Florida State) – Forward, 6-10, 250

Name is pronounced “Fi-On-DU Cab-Egg-Nale” ▪ An early-entry candidate ▪ The ACC’s Sixth Man of the Year as a redshirt sophomore this past season, averaging 13.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 1.5 blocks in 21.6 minutes (.502 FG%, .369 3FG%, .761 FT%), appearing in 37 contests ▪ All-ACC Tournament First Team ▪ Attended the Bosco Institute (IN) after graduating from Corpus Christi High School in Burlington, Ontario, Canada ▪ Nephew of Hawks and NBA legend, Hall of Famer Dikembe Mutombo.

 

*Romeo Langford (Indiana) – Guard, 6-6, 215

* NOTE: LANGFORD WON’T PARTICIPATE IN WORKOUT, BUT WILL BE MEETING WITH TEAM *

An early-entry candidate ▪ Top freshman scorer in the B1G this past season (fifth nationally among freshmen), as he averaged 16.5 points, 5.4 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 34.1 minutes (.448 FG%, .722 FT%), starting all 32 games ▪ Named Third Team All-Conference ▪ Indiana Mr. Basketball and Gatorade Indiana Player of the Year at New Albany (IN) High School in his hometown.

Naz Reid (LSU) – Forward, 6-10, 250

An early-entry candidate ▪ SEC All-Freshman this past season, averaging 13.6 points and 7.2 rebounds in 27.2 minutes (.468 FG%, .333 3FG%, .727 FT%), appearing in 34 games (32 starts) ▪ Led the team in rebounding and was second in scoring ▪ Attended Roselle Catholic HS (NJ) and is from Asbury Park, NJ ▪ Participated in the McDonald’s All-American Game.

 

Luka Samanic (Olimpija) – Forward, 6-10, 210

Last name is pronounced “SAH-mah-nitch” ▪ An early-entry candidate ▪ Played in 50 games, starting 23, this past season for Union Olimpija in Slovenia, and compiled 8.0 points and 4.8 rebounds in 18.4 minutes (.484 FG%, .338 3FG%, .722 FT%) ▪ Has also spent time with FC Barcelona ▪ Father, Marko, played professionally for 19 years ▪ Born in Zagreb, Croatia.

 

https://www.nba.com/hawks/news/2019-pre-draft-workouts-saturday-june-15

[NBASupes]

This trade could ruin our draft: Just a message board rumor 

 

[NBASupes]

My hope is if that happens, we get Nas and Sekou

or Nas and Hayes

[DBac]

So many problems caused by these new lotto odds.

[bleachkit]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This guy said Trae would be a star...his take on Reddish.

 

 

 

Rashad Phillips is also the guy that said Luka Doncic wasn't worth a lottery pick. He doesn't know ish.

[NBASupes]

Here is a pick-up game with Nassir Little, Courtney Lee and Ant Simons

It's a pickup game so I don't look for the comp or next level focus. 

Cons: 

Reaction Time in general was slow in general. On offense last so but on defense, a lot. 

Feel for off the ball defense was off more than you would want even in just a pick up game where the intensity is low. 

A tad shorter than I like for SF, looked about 6'5.5 ish. 

Needs to put on more muscle for his style of play. 

I would like to see quicker decisions on the ball. He dribbles for too long and he really don't have to with his quickness and first step. 

You see a gap with him and Simons with skill. Simons look a tier better skill wise and Lee looked refined and playing at an easy pick up pace. 

Pros: 

He is really really big for 19. Really big. With his frame, he could be 235-240 in his prime. 

Extremely athletic. I already knew this from his UNC tape but his functional athleticism is off the charts. 

He has terrific hands, he will be a nightmare in NBA spacing. 

He explodes to the rim like Donovan Mitchell but with more power. 

He has tremendous lateral quickness and his reaction for his on ball defender is solid. 

 

 Notes: 

You don't see speed in pick-up, just quickness, agility, power, skill, explosiveness and first step. 

 

Ant Simons for those who do not know who he is.

 

 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

Rashad Phillips is also the guy that said Luka Doncic wasn't worth a lottery pick. He doesn't know ish.

He also said Trae was the best player in the draft when Girvony and Schmit wouldn't take him in the top 5. 

[NBASupes]

Man, I will tell you guys this. If I am going by just open court hoops and not the real stuff. I'll take Nas #3 and maybe #2 overall. He got it all. 

First Step

Quickness

Acceleration

Wide hands with a great grip

One foot

Two foot

Explosiveness

Power

Touch

Lateral Quickness

Frame

Body control

Coordination

 

Now you can see even in a pick up game, he lacks skill and you can even see feel which was blatant at UNC but man. He got it all. He got even more than Zion from a tools stance. He got every tool. I would take him 2nd overall if I was going by just pick-up ball which isn't anything to go off of seriously. He got it all and I would give him a 9.5 ceiling just by pickup. 

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

He also said Trae was the best player in the draft when Girvony and Schmit wouldn't take him in the top 5. 

Saying Trae wasn't top 5 was a reasonable position. Saying Luka wasn't a lottery pick was not a reasonable position.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, bleachkit said:

Rashad Phillips is also the guy that said Luka Doncic wasn't worth a lottery pick. He doesn't know ish.

At least he was man enough to admit he was wrong and apologize face to face, unlike some people who run and hide when they are wrong...'cough cough Herr Dokterr'

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Saying Trae wasn't top 5 was a reasonable position. Saying Luka wasn't a lottery pick was not a reasonable position.

Mmmmmm......I guess everybody got hot takes.

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

51 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Man, I will tell you guys this. If I am going by just open court hoops and not the real stuff. I'll take Nas #3 and maybe #2 overall. He got it all. 

First Step

Quickness

Acceleration

Wide hands with a great grip

One foot

Two foot

Explosiveness

Power

Touch

Lateral Quickness

Frame

Body control

Coordination

 

Now you can see even in a pick up game, he lacks skill and you can even see feel which was blatant at UNC but man. He got it all. He got even more than Zion from a tools stance. He got every tool. I would take him 2nd overall if I was going by just pick-up ball which isn't anything to go off of seriously. He got it all and I would give him a 9.5 ceiling just by pickup. 

How's his ball handling. I don't need another weak ball handling wing player. We've had our share.

[bleachkit]

You know who had both Trae and Luka in his top 3? Kevin Pelton. Keep an eye on his rankings.

[NBASupes]

As I said before with Little, 

Low BBIQ with superb personal IQ

Great motor and plays hard in the real game with pretty good toughness and an edge 

Reactive not instinctive

Low Feel for the Game

Elite Athleticism and Elite Tools

Elite Frame and Hands

Talented with low skill level

Terrible Team defender but good man defender with the potential to be elite. 

Semi Average shooter but nice shooting touch with range. 

He is an unique prospect but here is where I rate him: 

 

Low BBIQ, Reactive and low feel for the game prospect type automatically puts him in class with Andre Drummond, Josh Smith,  Dwight Howard, Randolph Morris, J.R. Smith, Thon Maker, Ben McLemore, JaVale McGee, Mario Hezonja, Cameron Payne,  Russell Westbrook,  Reggie Jackson, Ian Mahinmi, Skal Labissiere, Drew Bledsoe, Marquese Chriss,  Brandon Knight,  Trey Lyles, Nick Young, DeAndre Jordan, Kelly Oubre, Josh Jackson, Gerald Green, Austin Rivers, Miles Plumlee, Kent Bazemore, DeAndre Bembry, Jeremy Lin, J.J. Hickson, Derrick Williams, Bruno C, Zach LaVine, Rashad Vaughn, Shabazz Muhammad, Tyrus Thomas, etc.

A trend you will notice with most of these guys are drafted or signed for there great tools and ability to put up numbers or they just have tremendous tools. 

Another thing you notice is everyone I named is talented, some very talented and those who made a long career are exceptional at one or two particular things but most of them were just busts. 

If you look at the freak athletes as prospects not just great athletes, you shorten the list: 

Andre Drummond, Josh Smith,  Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook,  Drew Bledsoe,  DeAndre Jordan, Zach Lavine. 

Almost all of these guys had some type of NBA career which goes to say, being a freak athlete matters a lot in the NBA. Nassir is in a good place. 

Those with elite physical tools and frame for position as prospects: 

Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook,  Drew Bledsoe,  DeAndre Jordan

If you notice something, you will realize something. No wings. I saw him mainly when he was older and NBA Classic but some said D. Wilkins didn't have much of BBIQ or the feel for the game. I don't know how true that is as a prospect. I also don't recall Nique being reactive or instinctive but from what I got, these types have been mainly PG's and centers. PG because they have the ball the most so it makes sense. Centers because defense. What separates Howard and Westbrook from Jordan and Drew is personal IQ and in Howard's case, how freaky he is athletically. Howard had off the charts functional athleticism while DeAndre's is just good as a prospect. Bledsoe and Westbrook are rare freaky athletes, Bledsoe is not called Baby Bron for a reason but personal IQ between the two couldn't be much different. Like Howard, Westbrook was exceptionally smart off the court, was accepted to Stanford as a student, not even for Basketball. Howard was well versed and he was exceptional student at his private school. Both Jordan and Bledsoe, personal IQ was lacking. Nassir is in a good place again. 

 

What I discovered is the NBA has an automatic fail list. If you have low BBIQ, low feel for the game, reactive, and low personal IQ, you will fail 9/10 times. The rare exception is those who are freak athletes, with elite physical tools and frame for position as prospects. Drew Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan were the rare exception to my study. 

 

What I am really saying is, Nassir Little is in a rare field because wings generally have good feel for the game and if they don't, they are normally sharp shooters who can defend as sudo 3/D wings, defensive specialists off the bench or they are highly offensive minded scorers who play hard. Otherwise, they are usually bust. Nassir has all reason to be a flawed superstar. His tools, profile, motor and personal IQ says so but how will it look is the question. Obviously these types peak faster than the norm due to lacking feel for the game, BBIQ, and being reactive and not instinctive players. 

 

As for Cam Reddish, he has average BBIQ, with a good feel for the game, very good personal IQ but he is reactive not instinctive. For modern NBA players, you always want instinctive players but a lot of them just aren't NBA good or as good as they were in college.  

Guys like Hunter, Zion, Coby White, Brandon Clarke, Culver,, R.J. Goga, Claxton, and Darius on offense, etc. 

Reactive players like Rui, Sekou, Cam, Nassir, Jaxson, (most NBA centers are reactive), etc.

Reactive players need others to make them better or easier for them. 

Instinctive players make others better. Now of course talent, ability, athleticism, frame, size and all that matters as well. You can have amazing instincts like Lamar Patterson or Issac Humphreys and still suck ass like a bitch because you lack so much for the NBA game.  

 

Teams usually have a good mix of both. In the Finals we had TOR/GS:  

Toronto had more instinctive players like Leonard, Gasol, Lowry, VanVleet, Siakam, Green,O.G. and reactive players like Powell, Ibaka, Lin 

Golden used to like instinctive players a lot but now have a mix: Green, Steph, Klay, Iggy, Livingston, Looney, most of their bench is instinctive guys but they usually suck. 

With reactive players like Durant, Cousins, Bell, Cook, etc. 

[NBASupes]

31 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

How's his ball handling. I don't need another weak ball handling wing player. We've had our share.

So-so at this stage, he has good extension and body framing but his handles need to quicken up. The usual for larger framed wings who played in the post in college. His hands and wingspan help him out a ton.