Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted August 6, 2019 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 The tweet thread with videos has a good breakdown of JohnC in the PnR and how his improvement will help the Hawks. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Steve Jones is killing it. Just reading the entire thread. Good stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Now he is talking about Collins defense. This is some good stuff for us fans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted August 6, 2019 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: Now he is talking about Collins defense. This is some good stuff for us fans Haven't gotten to that yet. I'll take a look in awhile. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Love the slip screen from JC. Love the anticipation and understanding that his man will commit to that screen set and fall for it as he rolls right down under the hoop. Man, Collins is gonna angrily beast on folks this year. Good lookin out Bird! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted August 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: Now he is talking about Collins defense. This is some good stuff for us fans What I took from it is, defensively as a 4, he is more likely to get switched on to the perimeter or at least have to contest the 3 point shot which he really struggles at right now. He lacks awareness out there and is not as instinctive guarding guys in space On the other hand at the 5 defensively, he is way more instinctive in the paint and challenging at the rim. He can hold up against both 5 and 4's with his only flaw being his propensity to foul bigger guys. So he isnt a perfect fit defensively at either position, but as far as natural instinct and ability he is way more at home defensively in the paint. Once he get stronger and smarter and cuts down his fouls, he may project long term as a 5 which makes him a lethal weapon as a center. For him to reach that same elite level at the 4 offensively he will need to keep improving from 3 and on dribble drives, and defensively learn how to guard out along the 3 point line, and read the plays out in space better otherwise he will be a liability. In a nutshell the biggest learning curve will be as a modern 4, while physically he has a tougher go at center. 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kg01 Posted August 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Spud2nique said: Love the slip screen from JC. Love the anticipation and understanding that his man will commit to that screen set and fall for it as he rolls right down under the hoop. Man, Collins is gonna angrily beast on folks this year. Good lookin out Bird! Yeah. The last thing a lotta dudes gonna see before they get JBaptized is some tighty short-shorts struggling to contain his glistenin' muscular thighs. You're welcome for that imagery, @JayBirdHawk and @Spud2nique? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EazyRoc Posted August 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 JC at 5 makes Trae-Huert-Cam-Hunt-JC possible 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said: What I took from it is, defensively as a 4, he is more likely to get switched on to the perimeter or at least have to contest the 3 point shot which he really struggles at right now. He lacks awareness out there and is not as instinctive guarding guys in space On the other hand at the 5 defensively, he is way more instinctive in the paint and challenging at the rim. He can hold up against both 5 and 4's with his only flaw being his propensity to foul bigger guys. So he isnt a perfect fit defensively at either position, but as far as natural instinct and ability he is way more at home defensively in the paint. Once he get stronger and smarter and cuts down his fouls, he may project long term as a 5 which makes him a lethal weapon as a center. For him to reach that same elite level at the 4 offensively he will need to keep improving from 3 and on dribble drives, and defensively learn how to guard out along the 3 point line, and read the plays out in space better otherwise he will be a liability. In a nutshell the biggest learning curve will be as a modern 4, while physically he has a tougher go at center. Everyone, please dap this post. Best in the thread 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, EazyRoc said: JC at 5 makes Trae-Huert-Cam-Hunt-JC possible That’s the lineup I run in 2k since the draft I can’t roll with D Jones...sorry no Len either lol 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: Everyone, please dap this post. Best in the thread This post or thread? I gottem both F it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: Everyone, please dap this post. Best in the thread Oh wow thanks for the high praise lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted August 6, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 hours ago, NBASupes said: Steve Jones is killing it. Just reading the entire thread. Good stuff Everyone should click on the link and read the entire thread. Good stuff indeed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNorthCydeRises Posted August 7, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 6 hours ago, EazyRoc said: JC at 5 makes Trae-Huert-Cam-Hunt-JC possible That will be our version of the "Death" lineup. But since we're the "good guys", we'll call that the "Life" lineup. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 I think that lineup would be weak , we would lack size at PF and C, I think is better keeping Collins at PF to have chances to win a ring. That lineup would be similar to that Suns with Nash and Stoudemire at C, they did not win anything despite having Marion. Size and defense matters specially in playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 Collins will have to get better defensively. Regardless of if he is at the 4 or 5. Bruno development will be key to me. Without Dedmon, we lack a mentor at that position but VC could work with him as well while he splits time from College Park to Atlanta 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 16 hours ago, Spud2nique said: This post or thread? I gottem both F it! I guess Supes doesn't appreciate glistenin' thighs? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted August 7, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 Collins will never be an effective 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 8 hours ago, gurpilo said: I think that lineup would be weak , we would lack size at PF and C, I think is better keeping Collins at PF to have chances to win a ring. That lineup would be similar to that Suns with Nash and Stoudemire at C, they did not win anything despite having Marion. Size and defense matters specially in playoffs I’m not arguing that your point about the Suns is wrong, but about the size thing; We literally just watched Golden State go to 5 straight finals on the backs of the Death Lineup and the Hamptons 5 lineup. Both lineups without a true center. Both lineups with Draymond as the “big man” when he is only 6’6 in reality. yes KD is a 7 footer but he plays like a guard and isnt banging in the post. Point is, in today’s NBA you don’t need 2 true big men to be successful. You need skillsets more than anything. Your 4 man today has to be comfortable out on the perimeter on both sides of the ball or your defense will get switched to death. I don’t think the small lineup will work for us next year because too many of the guys are still green and filling out their bodies. But once JC gets a little more stronger and Cam/Huerter add more weight and strength then I think that lineup could be absolutely powerful one day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) If only his arms were a little longer. There are so many times where he plays his post defense perfectly, but the other guy is able to get the ball over his fingertips. But he definitely is much more comfortable defending down there. Edited August 7, 2019 by High5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 7:21 PM, High5 said: If only his arms were a little longer. There are so many times where he plays his post defense perfectly, but the other guy is able to get the ball over his fingertips. But he definitely is much more comfortable defending down there. Agreed! I don’t know how John can overcome his defensive flaws at 4 or 5! Not sure what coach LP is going to try to emphasize that he gets better at but ya know what....if I was LP I’d train Collins to get better on the perimeter! personally I like the idea of cam and hunter on the defense perimeter with those long arms around trae. And I like Bruno’s size for 5 both offensively and defensively. i think long term if Collins happens to not really get that good defensively we may be able to counter it with the upside & length of cam, hunter, and Bruno ...long term anyways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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