Preseason Game #5: Hawks at Bulls 10/17/19

[High5]

5 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Thoughtful but wrong. There are plenty of players that are seeNBA. Sure fire franchise players in which a gm would consider a core player to build around before the player is even drafted. There are also many scenarios where the gm sees a player in the draft as a perfect fit with what he has already. It's only the gm that lacks the prerequisite evaluation skills that needs to see further evident of what that player can or will be in the nba.

You're totally missing the point (intentionally or not). Hunter, Cam, and Bruno are not LeBron. Pointing out such an obvious exception to part of the post instead of addressing the much larger point is just lazy and basically admitting that you don't know how to respond.

Edited October 19, 2019 by High5

[Peoriabird]

9 minutes ago, High5 said:

You're totally missing the point (intentionally or not). Hunter, Cam, and Bruno are not LeBron. Pointing out such an obvious exception to part of the post instead of addressing the much larger point is just lazy and basically admitting that you don't know how to respond.

Schlenk has himself included Hunter and Cam as a part of his core so what are you arguing?

[High5]

3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Schlenk has himself included Hunter and Cam as a part of his core so what are you arguing?

Believing a player will be a core player and that player actually solidifying themselves as a core player are two different things. You don't just stop looking for draft assets because you have a handful of rookies and sophomores that you think can be good. But that's all I'm going to say about it. 

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, High5 said:

Believing a player will be a core player and that player actually solidifying themselves as a core player are two different things. You don't just stop looking for draft assets because you have a handful of rookies and sophomores that you think can be good. But that's all I'm going to say about it. 

What are you talking about???? This is how you build your team and structure your plan. The players that you call your core are the core of your team period! Everything is designed to help your core players succeed.  Y'all live in some alternative universe if you thought that Schlenk moved up to take Hunter on a wait and see basis. 

[High5]

5 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

What are you talking about???? This is how you build your team and structure your plan. The players that you call your core are the core of your team period! Everything is designed to help your core players succeed.  Y'all live in some alternative universe if you thought that Schlenk moved up to take Hunter on a wait and see basis. 

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, High5 said:

This is like arguing with the white house...Schlenk trades away his starting small forward, trades 5 asset to obtain his replacement who only worked out for him and the coaching staff, called him a core player during many interviews and this sentiment has been echoed by the media thru photos etc. But some fans still say it is yet to be determined whether or not he is a core player? This is very strange to say the least.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Not True because I'm pretty sure Cleveland considered Lebron a core player the day they drafted him.

I see what you did there..

Only difference is none of our drafted players was in the Lebron stratosphere before even getting drafted.

[marco102]

22 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

This is like arguing with the white house...Schlenk trades away his starting small forward, trades 5 asset to obtain his replacement who only worked out for him and the coaching staff, called him a core player during many interviews and this sentiment has been echoed by the media thru photos etc. But some fans still say it is yet to be determined whether or not he is a core player? This is very strange to say the least.

So by your logic if Schlenk and Pierce say Trae Young is the MVP of the league that makes Trae Young the MVP of league?  

They BELIEVE they have some core players.  These players have not played 3 NBA seasons yet.  You prove to be the core once you're in season and start winning.  

Just because Schlenk says they've drafted the core doesn't mean that's the core  they will end up with.  Yes, if these guys prove on the court this year and next and win games, that should be our core going forward, but all we know everyone drafted this year could be big ass busts. 

Schlenk will never say oh man, I drafted these busts this year.  

Edited October 19, 2019 by marco102

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, marco102 said:

So by your logic if Schlenk and Pierce say Trae Young is the MVP of the league that makes Trae Young the MVP of league?  

They BELIEVE they have some core players.  These players have not played 3 NBA seasons yet.  You prove to be the core once you're season and start winning.  

Just because Schlenk says they've drafted the core doesn't mean that's the core  they will end up with.  Yes, if these guys prove on the court this year and next and win games, that should be our core going forward, but all we know everyone drafted this year could be big ass busts. 

Schlenk will never say oh man, I drafted these busts this year.  

Just stop! You're making no sense. The Gm determines how the team is constructed and if he identifies players he thinks will fit his vision, he deems them core players which he quite clearly has done with Hunter and Reddish. Whether he is wrong depends on how he good is as a gm. You are conflating 2 separate points.

[terrell]

Wth? Yall are just arguing to be arguing? lol... Cant wait for the season to start..

[JayBirdHawk]

31 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

This is like arguing with the white house...Schlenk trades away his starting small forward, trades 5 asset to obtain his replacement who only worked out for him and the coaching staff, called him a core player during many interviews and this sentiment has been echoed by the media thru photos etc. But some fans still say it is yet to be determined whether or not he is a core player? This is very strange to say the least.

No, we all believe he is a core player.  What we and TS have to find out is how successful he will become when he actually plays and contributes to winning.

And not sure why this is difficult to understand.

These discussions are just heading down the proverbial rabbit hole just like the season when we were tanking for Trae and you refused to believe it and like last year when TS laid out the plan for having and drafting high picks and you refused to belive that to.

[JayBirdHawk]

14 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Just stop! You're making no sense. The Gm determines how the team is constructed and if he identifies players he thinks will fit his vision, he deams them core players which he quite clearly has done with Hunter and Reddish. Whether he is wrong depends on how he a gm he is. You are conflating 2 separate points.

I'm glad you said that and that should be the end of this discussion.  He has identified the core and like I posted previously....

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How aggressive Schlenk is will depend on how he views this young core and if he feels like those players are ready to take the next step forward. Schlenk and head coach Lloyd Pierce consistently have said they need to figure out who actually is going to be on this roster and what kind of players they’re going to be before they just go after marquee names.

They only way for them to take the next step forward is to actually play.

[Peoriabird]

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No, we all believe he is a core player.  What we and TS have to find out is how successful he will become when he actually plays and contributes to winning.

 

[Peoriabird]

11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No, we all believe he is a core player. 

This is exactly what the White house does!!! lol!  I didn't say he wasn't a core player LOL!

[JayBirdHawk]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

This is exactly what the White house does!!! lol!  I didn't say he wasn't a core player LOL!

No, you need to go back and read what you wrote.

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This is like arguing with the white house...Schlenk trades away his starting small forward, trades 5 asset to obtain his replacement who only worked out for him and the coaching staff, called him a core player during many interviews and this sentiment has been echoed by the media thru photos etc. But some fans still say it is yet to be determined whether or not he isa core player? This is very strange to say the least.

You are inferring that 'some fans' believe he isn't.

My response was 'no, we believe he is'  he just needs to actually play games since he isn't Lebron.

 

Wiggins was supposed to be a core player in Minny, how's that looking. Marvy Marve was a core piece for us, how'd that turn out. Ingram and Ball core pieces in LAL

I can keep going, but do you get the point.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

My response was 'no, we believe he is'  he just needs to actually play games since he isn't Lebron.

So since he is a core player does playing or not playing change this?

[JayBirdHawk]

10 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

So since he is a core player does playing or not playing change this?

Of course it does. Just because today he is a core piece doesn't mean he'll be in year 3. See Prince.

Example: Oladipo was a core piece is Orlando, then he played then they realized he wasn't the PG they thought he was - traded to OKC then Indy.

Believing, wanting, praying, hoping isn't the same as what it will actually be in the long run.

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Of course it does. Just because today he is a core piece doesn't mean he'll be in year 3. See Prince.

 

When was Prince deemed a Schlenk core piece?

[Peoriabird]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Of course it does. Just because today he is a core piece doesn't mean he'll be in year 3.

So we have to wait 3 years to determine whether each draft pick will be a part of a core group on any given team?

[Peoriabird]

If we continue to change core groups like you all suggest might happen, this will be a long rebuilding process!