Trae Young - The Man, The Viper, and The Prosecution aka The MVP aka Ice Trae

[kg01]

2 hours ago, Wretch said:

But duh deFEnSe, retch.  Duh DEfeNsE?

Meanwhile literally every other primary playmaker is bad on D but whatevs. 

"Bbbut, Trae is more bad on D tho, kg.  Lookit muh AnALySiS." - d.a. Hawks fans

Bad is bad.  There is no 'less' bad.  IDGAF what some spreadsheets say. 

[bleachkit]

2 hours ago, Wretch said:

Are you also including the 30 or so games where he was among the league's worst shooters? 

[bleachkit]

8 minutes ago, kg01 said:

But duh deFEnSe, retch.  Duh DEfeNsE?

Meanwhile literally every other primary playmaker is bad on D but whatevs. 

"Bbbut, Trae is more bad on D tho, kg.  Lookit muh AnALySiS." - d.a. Hawks fans

Bad is bad.  There is no 'less' bad.  IDGAF what some spreadsheets say. 

Forget the defense. Up until recently his shooting had been absolute garbage. 

[macdaddy]

His shooting got off to a horrible start but is steadily improving.   We added another playmaker to the starting lineup and Trae's assist numbers are at a career high.  

Folks are just going to hate on him win or lose.  They'll find something.  Worst defender, worst shooting percentage, worst made up bogus stat that has little to do with the game.   All i care about is if he wins us games.   He hasn't been great at that this year but we're getting there hopefully.

[kg01]

19 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Forget the defense. Up until recently his shooting had been absolute garbage. 

True, we all seent it.  But there's a huge chasm between 'acknowledging his shooting needs to be better' and 'aw he's TrASh, traed 'im and build 'round Okongwu!'

Fair?

[Final_quest]

20 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Forget the defense. Up until recently his shooting had been absolute garbage. 

I would say maturity is understanding shooting slumps are part of many players career.  This one required more patience, but you always believe three years stats over a slump.  Especially stars that carry teams will have to work through things like this.  I always see Trae bounce back after getting knocked down.

[JayBirdHawk]

Yes - he started slow, no getting around that. 

It's a great thing he is getting better.  That's what you want to see.

Just keep getting better which will hopefully lead to wins. He's having to adjust to new team dynamics even JC noted as much in his recent interview: 

" I definitely feel like having a whole new group of guys on the roster is one thing, adding a big-time guy like DJ (Dejounte Murray) into the squad. I don’t think there’s anything missing. I think it’s more assimilation into who we are, what we want to be as a team, where we can go..... guys not being available. It’s adding younger guys into our lineup, adding a player like DJ, another All Star, to our group. All that stuff adds an effect to what already makes playing and winning in this league so hard."

[AHF]

25 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Forget the defense. Up until recently his shooting had been absolute garbage. 

The only positive thing I'll say is that he never reached the depths of Allen Iverson, Russell Westrbook type players.  His brutal start to the season was him scoring at a .545% TS% pace in October and November.  That is comparable to DeAngelo Russell, Jrue Holiday, and Klay Thompson's scoring efficiency last season.  Definitely not where we want Trae to be but if that is the worst days of his career then we should be able to survive a rough stretch like that.  

For the Hawks to succeed, we do need him to return to his norms.  Maybe the recent uptick is a sign of that.  He definitely has improved over his total career when the calendar flips so I'd like to think we are seeing the start of that this season.  Time will tell.

 

[Wretch]

55 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Are you also including the 30 or so games where he was among the league's worst shooters? 

Examining his entire career before age 25 is probably the better indicator:

There is a difference between shot selection and shot proficiency.  Cherry-picking a sampling of statistical data that is heavily skewed by his poor shot selection, during a low point of one season, ignores the larger data set that more accurately validates how proficient he is. I acknowledge both his shortcomings and his proficiencies statistically.  In addition, I recognize the quality of his game.  

He is an elite passer with elite court vision.  He is also an elite scorer that can reliably shoot from any spot between the half-court line and the paint.  There are very few players in the history of the game that can make the same claims.  That qualifies him as a star.  If he makes the conscious choice to improve his shot selection, if he can be put in position to get consistent clean looks, if he has quality support, in an effective offensive system (all baseline qualities of a contending team), then he will likely be considered not just a Hawks star, but one of the brightest NBA stars of our time.

[Spud2nique]

10 minutes ago, Wretch said:

Examining his entire career before age 25 is probably the better indicator:

There is a difference between shot selection and shot proficiency.  Cherry-picking a sampling of statistical data that is heavily skewed by his poor shot selection, during a low point of one season, ignores the larger data set that more accurately validates how proficient he is. I acknowledge both his shortcomings and his proficiencies statistically.  In addition, I recognize the quality of his game.  

He is an elite passer with elite court vision.  He is also an elite scorer that can reliably shoot from any spot between the half-court line and the paint.  There are very few players in the history of the game that can make the same claims.  That qualifies him as a star.  If he makes the conscious choice to improve his shot selection, if he can be put in position to get consistent clean looks, if he has quality support, in an effective offensive system (all baseline qualities of a contending team), then he will likely be considered not just a Hawks star, but one of the brightest NBA stars of our time.

SUPERSTAR  

 

The End.

drop..

[Final_quest]

42 minutes ago, Wretch said:

Examining his entire career before age 25 is probably the better indicator:

There is a difference between shot selection and shot proficiency.  Cherry-picking a sampling of statistical data that is heavily skewed by his poor shot selection, during a low point of one season, ignores the larger data set that more accurately validates how proficient he is. I acknowledge both his shortcomings and his proficiencies statistically.  In addition, I recognize the quality of his game.  

He is an elite passer with elite court vision.  He is also an elite scorer that can reliably shoot from any spot between the half-court line and the paint.  There are very few players in the history of the game that can make the same claims.  That qualifies him as a star.  If he makes the conscious choice to improve his shot selection, if he can be put in position to get consistent clean looks, if he has quality support, in an effective offensive system (all baseline qualities of a contending team), then he will likely be considered not just a Hawks star, but one of the brightest NBA stars of our time.

Can we bookmark this post?  Best all in one Trae accolade summary I've seen.  Guys like Trae don't grow on trees.  I'm taking a chance that he is a legit superstar over blowing up the team.  

[MarylandHawk]

5 hours ago, bleachkit said:

You know, going nearly half the season with some of the worst shooting numbers in the NBA might rightfully draw criticism from fans.

Nothing wrong with criticisms. It was the lack of belief in the dude after he has showed time and time again that he can play basketball really good. It’s crazy how Trae had to have all NBA numbers every game all season just to be considered “worthy” of fans patience. He is the least of our concerns. 

[MarylandHawk]

1 hour ago, Wretch said:

Examining his entire career before age 25 is probably the better indicator:

There is a difference between shot selection and shot proficiency.  Cherry-picking a sampling of statistical data that is heavily skewed by his poor shot selection, during a low point of one season, ignores the larger data set that more accurately validates how proficient he is. I acknowledge both his shortcomings and his proficiencies statistically.  In addition, I recognize the quality of his game.  

He is an elite passer with elite court vision.  He is also an elite scorer that can reliably shoot from any spot between the half-court line and the paint.  There are very few players in the history of the game that can make the same claims.  That qualifies him as a star.  If he makes the conscious choice to improve his shot selection, if he can be put in position to get consistent clean looks, if he has quality support, in an effective offensive system (all baseline qualities of a contending team), then he will likely be considered not just a Hawks star, but one of the brightest NBA stars of our time.

Post of the decade. 

[MarylandHawk]

5 hours ago, bleachkit said:

You know, going nearly half the season with some of the worst shooting numbers in the NBA might rightfully draw criticism from fans.

It weird though that in some of those same games we won a lot more so…

[kg01]

Guy's not above criticism, but the flat out lack of appreciation is criminal.

I joke about it, but I think there's a lot of people that believe he's simply a product of having the ball all the time.  There's been a lot of guards with the ultra green light but none of then even approach what he's doing. 

[macdaddy]

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Guy's not above criticism, but the flat out lack of appreciation is criminal.

I joke about it, but I think there's a lot of people that believe he's simply a product of having the ball all the time.  There's been a lot of guards with the ultra green light but none of then even approach what he's doing. 

I mean look at SGA.  Dude shoots more than Trae, goes to the line more than Trae, averages a couple more points and half the assists.   

[kg01]

4 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I mean look at SGA.  Dude shoots more than Trae, goes to the line more than Trae, averages a couple more points and half the assists.   

True.  Good stats .... and a whole lotta L's and missed games too baybee.  Yet folks will excuse-make for players like that while eviscerating Trae for all kinds of reasons.

 Like I said, lack of appreciation.

[Gray Mule]

Trae is great!  He's not having a great year.  Bogie is a great shooter.  Watching his last game you would never know this.  Trae has been good and we all expect great.  We all had our heart set on this Hawk team doing a lot better than it has this season.  It's not just Bogie and Trae.

Something is just not right.  We don't know exactly what's wrong.  Many think it's Nate and his stubborn streak and his refusal to adjust.  Injury has played havoc with the team.  Capela is sorely missed and we seldom win the rebounding game.  Help is needed here.

When the shots fall the Atlanta Hawks look very good.  When they don't, they look terrible.

[Diesel]

Why is it that everytime Trae gets an accolade for anything a gang of haters come out and talk about some random thing that he don't do well??

Him and Oscar Robertson share a distinction... and out of nowhere..  "Oh.. but on Defense he's the WOAT"

 

This is why Atlanta can't keep stars... we don't know how to treat them.  We don't know how to appreciate them.  Too many haters who love talking about the Lottery. 

 

[bleachkit]

36 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I mean look at SGA.  Dude shoots more than Trae, goes to the line more than Trae, averages a couple more points and half the assists.   

Trae was named All NBA. SGA has never even been named an all star.