TheFuzz Posted May 13, 2020 Report Share Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 7:59 AM, kg01 said: I don't wanna give that dude clicks. Did he at least propose a potential deal? Lemme guess. Something like Ntilikina and 2 future 2nds for Trae and Reddish? "Hawks get the defensive piece they need to pair with John Collins and Kevin Heurter plus the added bonus of 2, count 'em, 2 chances to find a diamond in the rough. Blah, blah, blah ..." I think there is literally no deal the Knicks could offer to make us give up Trae. Their best prospect is probably Robinson, a limited C. Inb4 Knicks tell me that RJ "StraightBustBecauseICantShootDefendOrFinishDueToMyLackOfSkillAndAthleticism" Barrett is worth Trae alone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spud2nique Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 Redrafting 2018 per BR I guess.. 1. Phoenix Suns: Luka Doncic In less than two seasons, Luka Doncic has ditched all of his draft classmates and put himself in competition with the NBA's elite. Truth be told, the change might have taken place already last year when he joined Oscar Robertson as the only rookies to average 20 points, six rebounds and six assists. As an encore, Doncic has grown from being a historic freshman to simply historic. He's on course to become just the fifth player (and youngest of the group) to ever average 28 points, eight rebounds and eight assists. He trails only Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James, James Harden and Kawhi Leonard in real plus-minus. In player efficiency rating, Doncic is fourth behind Antetokounmpo, Harden and Anthony Davis, and his 27.7 PER is fourth-best ever for a player age 21 or younger. "We haven't seen a guy exactly like him ever in the NBA," Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle told reporters in September. As strong as this draft class is, Doncic has a tier to himself. He paces the group in win shares, box plus/minus and value over replacement player. He ranks second in total points, rebounds and assists. He's the only member of this draft who's already leading a postseason charge. There is zero chance he slips past No. 1 in a re-draft. Actual pick: Deandre Ayton Doncic's actual draft slot: No. 3, Atlanta Hawks (traded to Dallas Mavericks) 2. Sacramento Kings: Trae Young Even though Trae Young is the only other All-Star from this draft, not everyone would slot him second in a re-draft. His defense is every bit as bad as you've heard (dead last in defensive real plus-minus), and there isn't much evidence that his all-offense approach can contribute to winning. That's fine. He's a transcendent shooter and distributor—as a 21-year-old. That's far too tempting to pass up, even if the rest of the roster will have to account for his deficiencies. Four players have higher offensive real plus-minus ratings, and they're all MVP winners: Harden, Antetokounmpo, James and Stephen Curry. Young is on pace to become only the fifth player to average 29 points and nine assists, and he's doing that while also splashing 3.4 triples at a 36.1 percent clip. He's within sniping range as soon as he enters an arena, which provides an invaluable amount of spacing. To that end, the Atlanta Hawks offense produces an extra 15.5 points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor. But that also ties in with his table-setting since his vision, selflessness and playmaking allow him to capitalize on all the open space. "He has court vision like Jason Kidd, like Pete Maravich," then-teammate Jabari Parker told The Ringer's Paolo Uggetti in November. "[He's] got eyes everywhere." Other players have arguments for this spot, but the fact that Young has displayed two superstar skills is too much for anyone else to overcome. Actual pick: Marvin Bagley III Young's actual draft slot: No. 5, Dallas Mavericks (traded to Atlanta Hawks) 3. JJJ 4. SGA 5. AYTON 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators macdaddy Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 8:31 PM, Spud2nique said: (This was not actually stated by Spud but is a paraphrasing of the article being discussed) Even though Trae Young is the only other All-Star from this draft, not everyone would slot him second in a re-draft I don't t think this is true. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would choose JJJ or Ayton over Trae now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spud2nique Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, macdaddy said: I don't t think this is true. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would choose JJJ or Ayton over Trae now. The above is a quote from the writer not me. But yes I agree I don’t think there’s many or any teams out there that would take either of those guys over Trae. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: The above is a quote from the writer not me. But yes I agree I don’t think there’s many or any teams out there that would take either of those guys over Trae. Yes. accidentally attributed when i just pulled that out. it'd be interested to see a redraft poll of gms/coaches/players and see how many drop Trae out of the top 2. I'd say it's well under 10%. Sorry spud. it won't let me edit that. You'll be forever attached to that quote i guess. Why do you hate Trae?? lol Edited May 19, 2020 by macdaddy 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Sorry spud. it won't let me edit that. You'll be forever attached to that quote i guess. Why do you hate Trae?? lol This is going to be a problem is about 6 months when I have a debate with anyone, they will dig up this misquote. This combined with the fact that I had a Luka avatar with that lost bet... Hey Bob, you got a room to rent? See what you made me do Mac, I gotta see what Mavs Bob up to now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: This is going to be a problem is about 6 months when I have a debate with anyone, they will dig up this misquote. This combined with the fact that I had a Luka avatar with that lost bet... Hey Bob, you got a room to rent? See what you made me do Mac, I gotta see what Mavs Bob up to now. I love it when a plan comes together 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: This is going to be a problem is about 6 months when I have a debate with anyone, they will dig up this misquote. This combined with the fact that I had a Luka avatar with that lost bet... Hey Bob, you got a room to rent? See what you made me do Mac, I gotta see what Mavs Bob up to now. Added some text there to give you comfort on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 58 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: The above is a quote from the writer not me. But yes I agree I don’t think there’s many or any teams out there that would take either of those guys over Trae. The only teams in a real draft that would take JJJ, Ayton, etc. over Trae would be ones that already had outstanding young PGs, IMO. Kind of like Portland passing on MJ because they already had Clyde Drexler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, AHF said: The only teams in a real draft that would take JJJ, Ayton, etc. over Trae would be ones that already had outstanding young PGs, IMO. Kind of like Portland passing on MJ because they already had Clyde Drexler. Yup my thought exactly. Whoever had a point guard who is an all star I guess. Kings- Fox Sixers- Simmons Scratch that if I’m the Sixers I still probably take Trae over JJJ and Ayton. Fit is better and could move Simmons to SF. The Kings were the only team in 2018 lottery that had to completely NOT look at Trae. Nuggets too but they had pick 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Trae would fit really well on the Sixers. Two man action with him and Simmons might be similar to him and JC. Trae and Embiid would be really scary. His range would be so good for that team. Yeah, Kings would be the first team that would come to mind for me too. They usually make the wrong call so that is fitting as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted May 19, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 10 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Excerpt: Trae would love a 4-point line During their half-hour interview, Wojnarowski also asked Young about the possibility of the NBA adding a four-point line, which the point guard unequivocally supported. "It would help me," Young laughed. "We would get a lot more four-point plays. And then if I get fouled on the four-point line it's an and-1, so we're gonna get five points per possession. That would help us for sure. I'm down to get a four-point line." When asked what team outside of Atlanta he'd most like to play for, Young didn't take the bait, but rather reiterated his previously stated mission of helping lift the Hawks into title contention for years to come. "For me, I'm trying my best to build the city of Atlanta and our team to a championship-level team," Young said. "I'm trying to win championships in Atlanta." You tell 'em Trae: Quote When asked what team outside of Atlanta he’d most like to play for, Young didn’t take the bait, but rather reiterated his previously stated mission of helping lift the Hawks into title contention for years to come. “For me, I’m trying my best to build the city of Atlanta and our team to a championship-level team,” Young said. “I’m trying to win championships in Atlanta.” – via Ben Ladner @ Sports Illustrated 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 He see’s everything Nice breakdown here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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