Premium Member Popular Post Atlantaholic Posted November 6, 2019 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 Biggest story of the season so far, outside of obviously Trae playing at an extraterrestrail level of course, has been the defensive turnaround. Was looking over the defensive stats and some numbers caught my eye. Here are the stats and where the Hawks rank in relation to the rest of the league. Def Rating: 102.7 (11th) PPG: 103.7 (6th) FG%: 41.9 (6th) 3pt% 29% (3rd) TOs forced: 16.3(10th) Last year? Def Rating: 113.9 (27th) PPG: 119.4 (last) FG%: 47.3 (25th) 3pt%: 35.9 (18th) TOs forced: 14.6 (6th) In a word I would describe this improvement as, unprecedented. Most impressive for me is that 3pt% allowed at 29%. Gotta attribute that to the Reddish, Hunter effect. Good luck NBA wings shooting over those two. 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted November 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 Our defense is legit. Once Bruno is NBA ready, top 5 defenses, here we go. Can't sleep on the improvement from Trae on that end 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Atlantaholic Posted November 6, 2019 Author Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, NBASupes said: Our defense is legit. Once Bruno is NBA ready, top 5 defenses, here we go. Can't sleep on the improvement from Trae on that end Definitely helps him playing alongside the "Two Towers", but overall the amount of toughness Trae plays with on both ends has been so impressive this year. I don't recall him doing this stuff in college or last year. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTB Posted November 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Our defense is legit. Once Bruno is NBA ready, top 5 defenses, here we go. Can't sleep on the improvement from Trae on that end And Collins improvement as well when the games he has played 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTB Posted November 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said: Biggest story of the season so far, outside of obviously Trae playing at an extraterrestrail level of course, has been the defensive turnaround. Was looking over the defensive stats and some numbers caught my eye. Here are the stats and where the Hawks rank in relation to the rest of the league. Def Rating: 102.7 (11th) PPG: 103.7 (6th) FG%: 41.9 (6th) 3pt% 29% (3rd) TOs forced: 16.3(10th) Last year? Def Rating: 113.9 (27th) PPG: 119.4 (last) FG%: 47.3 (25th) 3pt%: 35.9 (18th) TOs forced: 14.6 (6th) In a word I would describe this improvement as, unprecedented. Most impressive for me is that 3pt% allowed at 29%. Gotta attribute that to the Reddish, Hunter effect. Good luck NBA wings shooting over those two. To add to this stellar post by @Atlantaholic , hawks are currently ranked .... -10th in team defensive efficiency -2nd in opponent points in the paint (only behind the bucks) -2nd in opponent fastbreaks (actually tied with Utah) -1st in 4th quarter defense for points allowed Our hawks are doing extremely well right now squawk , at a lot of things defensively! The only thing that I’m seeing that’s a bit of a negative is where the hawks currently rank 23rd in opponent free throw attempts per FGA. We are still allowing teams to get to the free throw line vs us at a good rate for the opponent but that could be bullshit ass refs too Edited November 6, 2019 by JTB 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted November 6, 2019 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 Thems some good nimbers. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 I love how were are competing on that end of the floor, Its a lot of effort and energy in addition to the added length and skill 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post benhillboy Posted November 6, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) If Trae and Jabari stay anywhere near their 104 and 106 D ratings respectively after 20 games I’m gonna do a triple backflip out this bih. CLP The Don sat Jabari down day one and was like “yeah, about your comments on defense...FOH.” He just has everyone manning up and playing within a great team defensive construct outside of Bembry who’s free to play to his instincts pretty wildly. Don’t try to block a good shot after it’s gone up, it’s better to crowd a catch and and force a bad one. Hunter is uncanny the way he squares up drivers and rarely bites on fakes. His defensive metrics seem to be trending to taking a big hit the way Klay’s does because he’s asked to be so versatile and could care less about his individual block + steal totals, he’s focused on low opponent team percentage. At times Cam looks like a damn octopus. Edited November 6, 2019 by benhillboy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, benhillboy said: If Trae and Jabari stay anywhere near their 104 and 106 D ratings respectively after 20 games I’m gonna do a triple backflip out this bih. CLP The Don sat Jabari down day one and was like “yeah, about your comments on defense...FOH.” He just has everyone manning up and playing within a great team defensive construct outside of Bembry who’s free to play to his instincts pretty wildly. Don’t try to block a good shot after it’s gone up, it’s better to crowd a catch and and force a bad one. Hunter is uncanny the way he squares up drivers and rarely bites on fakes. His defensive metrics seem to be trending to taking a big hit the way Klay’s does because he’s asked to be so versatile and could care less about his individual block + steal totals, he’s focused on low opponent team percentage. At times Cam looks like a damn octopus. Lets all give a big thanks to both TS and CLP for managing this so incredibly well. Adversity doesn't even cause a grimace for our team and our talent acquired does indeed have to be coached. Looking smooth and oh so soon. Am surprised even with me being a homer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member turnermx Posted November 6, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, JTB said: To add to this stellar post by @Atlantaholic , hawks are currently ranked .... -10th in team defensive efficiency -2nd in opponent points in the paint (only behind the bucks) -2nd in opponent fastbreaks (actually tied with Utah) -1st in 4th quarter defense for points allowed Our hawks are doing extremely well right now squawk , at a lot of things defensively! The only thing that I’m seeing that’s a bit of a negative is where the hawks currently rank 23rd in opponent free throw attempts per FGA. We are still allowing teams to get to the free throw line vs us at a good rate for the opponent but that could be bullshit ass refs too I am pretty sure Tyler Herro singlehandedly harmed the free throw line vs us stat by getting fouled about a half dozen times on 3 point shots in the 2 games we played the Heat together 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted November 6, 2019 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, benhillboy said: If Trae and Jabari stay anywhere near their 104 and 106 D ratings respectively after 20 games I’m gonna do a triple backflip out this bih. CLP The Don sat Jabari down day one and was like “yeah, about your comments on defense...FOH.” He just has everyone manning up and playing within a great team defensive construct outside of Bembry who’s free to play to his instincts pretty wildly. Don’t try to block a good shot after it’s gone up, it’s better to crowd a catch and and force a bad one. Hunter is uncanny the way he squares up drivers and rarely bites on fakes. His defensive metrics seem to be trending to taking a big hit the way Klay’s does because he’s asked to be so versatile and could care less about his individual block + steal totals, he’s focused on low opponent team percentage. At times Cam looks like a damn octopus. I think a big factor is the team chemistry we have on the squad and it all starts with the leaders of this team who are clearly Trae and Vince right now. Both of these guys bust their ass and are constantly communicating with the other players on the court. That stuff is contagious and when you have a group of long athletes that are communicating and trusting each other on defense, these are the results. Of course coach Pierce is the man that has to get the kudos here because one must assume it's his influence that has really caused this to happen. Adding players like Hunter and Cam and committing to Bembry over Baze (which started last year) also have fueled the turnaround... these are players that have defense heavily imbeded in their basketball DNA. In any team environment, whether in sports or otherwise, cultures are so incredibly addictive, and having our team start to forge this defensive identity where we can see players who may not have been good defenders like Parker get plugged in and really elevate that part of their game immediately is a sight to behold. Most encouraging thing we could be witnissing for this core at this moment in time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, turnermx said: I am pretty sure Tyler Herro singlehandedly harmed the free throw line vs us stat by getting fouled about a half dozen times on 3 point shots in the 2 games we played the Heat together Think moving forward we have to really start consistently getting calls because we do have the best point guard in the game and folks already know it is HOF stuff. You know how refs always think about that stuff and how they want to look. Example = Bibby's nose vs Kobe's elbow. Guess who goes to the line for freebies. We have that guy right here now do believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, JTB said: To add to this stellar post by @Atlantaholic , hawks are currently ranked .... -10th in team defensive efficiency -2nd in opponent points in the paint (only behind the bucks) -2nd in opponent fastbreaks (actually tied with Utah) -1st in 4th quarter defense for points allowed Our hawks are doing extremely well right now squawk , at a lot of things defensively! The only thing that I’m seeing that’s a bit of a negative is where the hawks currently rank 23rd in opponent free throw attempts per FGA. We are still allowing teams to get to the free throw line vs us at a good rate for the opponent but that could be bullshit ass refs too I don’t mind the refs because they’re giving Trae the star treatment. I think looking at it from a per FGA perspective skews it because our pace has slowed so much from last year (3rd lowest opponent field goal attempts so far). Not sure how different outlets are ranking the 21.7 personal fouls a game. TeamRankings has us at 12th, The Reference at 3. I’ll take either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 I'm a little worried about our 3pt defense. I don't think we've quite earned that %. But it's still an impressive improvement overall. Going from an all-time bad defense to even a top 20 defense is impressive when the only notable additions to the rotation (so far) are 2 rookies and Jabari "I'm not paid to play defense" Parker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) This was a low key jinx thread Wait until the middle of the season to make threads like this lol Edited November 7, 2019 by Bonkers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted November 8, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Defense good, offense struggling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted November 8, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 3:01 PM, AHF said: Thems some good nimbers. I read the title and was like... missed opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 11/6/2019 at 12:01 PM, AHF said: Thems some good nimbers. I missed this Didn’t he call Satoransky something too I miss Derek Nowinski 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 8, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: I miss Derek Nowinski 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 The jinx continues... Like I said, don't make these kinda threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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