Shouldn't have picked Cam

[HawkItus]

Remember I said Trae would be fine after an offseason of strength and conditioning?  The bones were there he just needed to be fleshed out.  Same with Cam.  He is a architecturally perfect for the NBA.  He just has builder grade materials.  Let this staff upgrade and him to NBA levels and you'll be amazed next year how dominant he will look. 

[kg01]

8 minutes ago, HawkItus said:

Remember I said Trae would be fine after an offseason of strength and conditioning?  The bones were there he just needed to be fleshed out.  Same with Cam.  He is a architecturally perfect for the NBA.  He just has builder grade materials.  Let this staff upgrade and him to NBA levels and you'll be amazed next year how dominant he will look. 

Heh, you picked the creepiest way possible to say all this.

I agree with everything you said though.

[Spud2nique]

9 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Heh, you picked the creepiest way possible to say all this.

I’m glad he had a stab at it first. I was about to sound like geppetto myself.

Preeeeeettttttyyyyy....soooooo prettyyyyy..Oh, Cam gliding on the court is pretty.  

[kg01]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

I’m glad he had a stab at it first. I was about to sound like geppetto myself.

Preeeeeettttttyyyyy....soooooo prettyyyyy..Oh, Cam gliding on the court is pretty.  

You finally got time off for good behavior?

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You finally got time off for good behavior?

You noticed . They said I had it in me, just buried real deep.  

[kg01]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

You noticed . They said I had it in me, just buried real deep.  

Well usually they hold you for 24-48 hours to give the meds time to take effect.

Not that I know that firsthand or anything. 

[capstone21]

Way to early to make those claims ... he has game but he is just learning ... the game is faster and tougher ... there is a big learning curve

[bleachkit]

Hoping he can improve enough offensively to be a Trevor Ariza type. 

[macdaddy]

Honestly though how much of the negative attitude toward him is based solely on him missing shots?   What I've seen from him in terms of D, passing, ball handling has been at least good for a one and done rookie and in some cases very good.   Had he actually made some of these shots we'd be saying 'damn he looks good'.   But do we really think he's going to continue to airball every 3 he takes and throw wild layups?   Nah.  He'll settle in.  

He's already got the things that the NBA can't teach and most players will never have.   He's missing the things that the NBA is very good at developing.  

[DBac]

Disengeuous to compare Cam to Trae last year. Trae was struggling with his shot, Cam is struggling with his shot, dribbling the ball, finishing through contact, not gettijg stripped/blocked when he drives, and general decision making. On top of that, Cam doesn't have a historically good college season to lean on for goodwill. He had a historically bad college season. 

 

I'll say his defense has been as advertised, he's just one of the very worst offensive players in the NBA.

[AHF]

11 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Honestly though how much of the negative attitude toward him is based solely on him missing shots?   What I've seen from him in terms of D, passing, ball handling has been at least good for a one and done rookie and in some cases very good.   Had he actually made some of these shots we'd be saying 'damn he looks good'.   But do we really think he's going to continue to airball every 3 he takes and throw wild layups?   Nah.  He'll settle in.  

He's already got the things that the NBA can't teach and most players will never have.   He's missing the things that the NBA is very good at developing.  

By far the biggest issue is the abysmal shooting.  It has been just putrid.  Other than that, it is the usual rookie mix of positive and negatives but from my perspective overwhelmingly positive on the whole.

[macdaddy]

9 minutes ago, DBac said:

Disengeuous to compare Cam to Trae last year. Trae was struggling with his shot, Cam is struggling with his shot, dribbling the ball, finishing through contact, not gettijg stripped/blocked when he drives, and general decision making. On top of that, Cam doesn't have a historically good college season to lean on for goodwill. He had a historically bad college season. 

 

I'll say his defense has been as advertised, he's just one of the very worst offensive players in the NBA.

That isn't completely right.  Trae was getting blocked at the rim routinely in November and turning the ball over a fair amount.   

But it's a fair point that Cam is much more raw than Trae was.

[Cwell]

5 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

That isn't completely right.  Trae was getting blocked at the rim routinely in November and turning the ball over a fair amount.   

But it's a fair point that Cam is much more raw than Trae was.

exactly. Trae was looking like a little kid trying to get to the rim this time last year, and he eventually figured out how to pick his spots and become more successful. He was getting swallowed up going to the rim early. People seem to have very selective memory of early Trae just because he's playing at an All Star level now.

None of this is anything new. Cam gets stripped going to the basket just like Taurean did

[NBASupes]

19 minutes ago, DBac said:

Disengeuous to compare Cam to Trae last year. Trae was struggling with his shot, Cam is struggling with his shot, dribbling the ball, finishing through contact, not gettijg stripped/blocked when he drives, and general decision making. On top of that, Cam doesn't have a historically good college season to lean on for goodwill. He had a historically bad college season. 

 

I'll say his defense has been as advertised, he's just one of the very worst offensive players in the NBA.

Selective memory is a disease 

[macdaddy]

Just now, Cwell said:

exactly. Trae was looking like a little kid trying to get to the rim this time last year, and he eventually figured out how to pick his spots and become more successful. He was getting swallowed up going to the rim early. People seem to have very selective memory of early Trae just because he's playing at an All Star level now.

None of this is anything new. Cam gets stripped going to the basket just like Taurean did

Yes.  Although I thing the point is probably the right one.   I don't expect Cam to be at the high level Trae was by January.  But he'll be good.

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, AHF said:

By far the biggest issue is the abysmal shooting.  It has been just putrid.  Other than that, it is the usual rookie mix of positive and negatives but from my perspective overwhelmingly positive on the whole.

When I said he was the next Randy Moss, I didn't anticipate he would have the hands of Darrius Heyward-Bey

[Cwell]

3 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Yes.  Although I thing the point is probably the right one.   I don't expect Cam to be at the high level Trae was by January.  But he'll be good.

That's true but we don't need him to be. Trae always had the ball in his hands, so if he made a mistake he had another opportunity 30 seconds later. Cam doesn't have that luxury just like in college so his learning curve is naturally going to take much longer. The expectations and comparisons are what's making people b**** and moan about Cam, and none of that is his fault. Let the kid learn and grow at his own pace. Cam isn't the first rookie to come in and struggle with his offense and he isn't going to be the last.

[kg01]

56 minutes ago, AHF said:

By far the biggest issue is the abysmal shooting.  It has been just putrid.  Other than that, it is the usual rookie mix of positive and negatives but from my perspective overwhelmingly positive on the whole.

Well-stated.  It's really odd to see people see a normal rookie mistake and fly off the deep end on the guy.

Should it shock people to see him getting stripped a lot?  No, he's a rookie.

Should it shock people to see him get bumped off his spot or knocked off balance on drives (due to lack of strength)?  No, he's a rookie.

Should it shock people to see bad shot selection/decisions at times?  No, he's a rookie.

Same things happen, routinely, to Hunter but no weird backlash.

You know what should shock people though?  Seeing UK get beat by Evansville at home in a pay 'em game. 

(I couldn't resist, AH.  It keep callin' me. Scotty.)

[DBac]

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

That isn't completely right.  Trae was getting blocked at the rim routinely in November and turning the ball over a fair amount.   

But it's a fair point that Cam is much more raw than Trae was.

No, the funny thing about this point last year was that Trae was far ahead as a dribble driver than what was expected. He just couldn't buy a 3 pointer and actually started taking far less for a while. 

Trae gets blocked a lot even now, he's 6'2 with high usage so I've come to accept it.

 

[High5]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

When I said he was the next Randy Moss, I didn't anticipate he would have the hands of Darrius Heyward-Bey

Yeah, that was quite a stretch. Glad you see that now. And Moss was a really good basketball player in high school so there's a chance he would have been a better NBA rookie as well.