I think it's pretty fair to say that Luka is better than Trae and likely will always be better than Trae

[NBASupes]

13 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

I was probably one of the most vocal haters of the Luka trade.

That being said ... it is done and we have what we have.  Luka is the better player but Trae has really exceeded my expectations and is looking like an impact player as well.  He is beyond terrible on D but that was known too.

Cam has a long long way to go but could be a good player with time and experience.

I think he can and will be elite. The question simply is, we past on a top 5 ATG type of player for two guys who probably won't be top 5 ATGs. Maybe they do but it's not as likely as Luka 

[bleachkit]

51 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

I was probably one of the most vocal haters of the Luka trade.

That being said ... it is done and we have what we have.  Luka is the better player but Trae has really exceeded my expectations and is looking like an impact player as well.  He is beyond terrible on D but that was known too.

Cam has a long long way to go but could be a good player with time and experience.

The top 5 protection was indefensible. We had them over a barrel. Should of asked for 2 firsts, one unprotected and the other lottery protected.

[NBASupes]

33 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

The top 5 protection was indefensible. We had them over a barrel. Should of asked for 2 firsts, one unprotected and the other lottery protected.

I agree. We should have gotten more. I am happy we ended up with Cam but it could have been much worse

[HawkItus]

2 hours ago, turnermx said:

Do you mean Luka?  I think he would struggle here facing double teams and traps just like Trae is now. I see us as being the same, given the same scenario Heurter starting season injured getting injured again, Collins getting suspended, two rookies one relatively solid the other raw, very little shooting around him with shooters from last year slumping from 3 point range (lookin at you Len).

Yeah my fault Luka.  I think we look about the same record wise.  Luka would be passing to a lot of the same cast of characters.

[benhillboy]

Luka’s IQ and the impossibility of speeding him up despite his mediocre athleticism is a joy to watch from a Larry Bird Stan.  Even the areas where Legend sets himself apart (rebounding, steals, FT shooting) Luka made significant strides from last season.
 

I love watching what Trae can do, hate watching the things he can’t.  Like keeping un-drafted players like Fred Van Fleet from acting like he’s a safety cone on defense.

[Vol4ever]

Hawks traded Paul Gasol for Shariff Abdul Rahim once, smh.  

 

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

Hawks traded Paul Gasol for Shariff Abdul Rahim once, smh.  

 

Thankfully, this trade gave us two potential studs. That trade was an all around fail

[Atlantaholic]

Luka is doing some unprecedented things right now, if he keeps it up for the whole year it will be hands down the best season by any player his age in the history of the game. I think Trae will be able to do some amazing things, but it seems unlikely he'll be better than Luka at this point in time. 

[GameTime]

I really think Trae can average 12-13 assists per game, if you give some bigs that can catch the ball and wings that can shoot it. And then we are talking prime 28-12 numbers. Those are waaaayy better than prime Steve Nash numbers and are top 5 not top 10 player statistics. Luka is a beast but I want to see a whole season of this. We saw him fizzle down quite a bit after ASW last season.

[Blunt91]

Is it really fair to compare Trae who is a true Point Guard to Luka who is actually a SmallFoward playing PointGuard? 

[EazyRoc]

2 hours ago, Blunt91 said:

Is it really fair to compare Trae who is a true Point Guard to Luka who is actually a SmallFoward playing PointGuard? 

It’s not an apples to apples comparison that’s for sure.

[NBASupes]

Games like tonight highlight a major issue for Trae when he is going off. When he is going off. He dominates possession. We stop using Hunter and Cam. We start running everything through Trae. Trae eventually gets tired. The other two are cold, we lose. This is what was happening last year with Kevin/Baze and Prince as well. Prince turned himself into strongside 3pt specialist but this happened this time last year. Trae has to figure out, when he dominates the rock, he doesn't help the wings, he just hurts them. He needs to be more Nash/Curry and less Harden/Westbrook.

Edited November 26, 2019 by NBASupes

[marco102]

15 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Games like tonight highlight a major issue for Trae when he is going off. When he is going off. He dominates possession. We stop using Hunter and Cam. We start running everything through Trae. Trae eventually gets tired. The other two are cold, we lose. This is what was happening last year with Kevin/Baze and Prince as well. Prince turned himself into strongside 3pt specialist but this happened this time last year. Trae has to figure out, when he dominates the rock, he doesn't help the wings, he just hurts them. He needs to be more Nash/Curry and less Harden/Westbrook.

Trae was teeing these guys up all game and all he got was bricks.  If anyone else could handle the ball he wouldn't be dominating it.  ARe we going to have a referendum on Trae after every loss? This isn't necessarily directed at you Supes, but it seems like the fan base is starting to turn on him.  

Trae literally had over 20 potential assists this game.  I'm not going to put him in the Harden/Westbrook category.  

Also, he wasn't hunting assists like he was in that Detriot game.  He was playing good basketball until he got injured in the third and ran out of gas.  

Like No way in hell I'm going through Trae under the bus for Cam playing like ass again and I'm a cam supporter.  Hunter played like ass.  They are rookies so it's to be expected for them to be inconsistent.   Like what the hell are we expecting from Trae? He's a just a second year point guard.

Edited November 26, 2019 by marco102

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Trae was teeing these guys up all game and all he got was bricks.  If anyone else could handle the ball he wouldn't be dominating it.  ARe we going to have a referendum on Trae after every loss? This isn't necessarily directed at you Supes, but it seems like the fan base is starting to turn on him.  

Trae literally had over 20 potential assists this game.  I'm no going to put him in the Harden/Westbrook category.  

 

It's not about quality looks, it's about running the offense through them. We went away from it for no reason when Cam/Hunter was doing a good job at it. Sometimes I feel like Trae gets hot, goes into I wanna spam the PnR and it works for a like a quarter or two. The issue is, they usually figure it out and now when we go to the others, they are cold. I seen this too much last year, especially early on and I am seeing it again now. 

 

Most of Hunter's turnovers was because he wasn't comfortable. I don't know how you don't see it. It was fairly obvious to me. If you want guys just to be spot shooters, we need to abandon the idea of young players, sign a bunch of vets who mastered this and let them do it. Otherwise, not getting those highly talented and gifted guys involved is an issue. Hunter usage was underwhelming and this is the worse usage for Cam since PHX and 3rd worse of the season. LP and Trae has to do a better job of mixing it up. 

[enrique]

On 11/25/2019 at 12:15 AM, bleachkit said:

Trae at his best is as good as Luka at his best. But let's face it, Trae has bad games too often. Luka is just ridiculously consistent. Whenever I check Luka's box score after a game, it's either good or great, it's almost never bad. 

I agree with Luka's consistency, but I also recognize that we are comparing individual's performances on teams with a wide discrepancy of talent surrounding those players. That can't be ignored at all. Our team is woefully short of talent and swapping Trae for Luka would not radically alter that reality or our record.

[terrell]

13 hours ago, DBac said:

I'm glad people here have stopped acting like Luka is some media made creation.

That said, still appreciate that Trae is giving us an efficient 26 and 9 vs the toughest schedule in the NBA. While having 0 shooting around him and big men that can't catch or finish. 

We got a superstar even if he isn't the best siperstar.

Exactly. TRade couldve been alot worse. What if we drafted Bamba at 5? lol

Edited November 26, 2019 by terrell

[enrique]

12 hours ago, DBac said:

I can't say that we would've shifted gears with Luka on the team last year. Trae played at a great level post ASB and Schlenk did not make moves at all.

 

Luka is better at passing out of double teams due to his size. We'd be better defensively.

 

But still if Luka was dealt the cards that Trae has been dealt so far this year, we would be maybe an 8 seed in the East right now.

I really don't see that at all. Maybe, but it is all theory. How a player responds to having minimal talent around them is like watching Luka pre-trade and post-trade last year. Much lower efficiency and much higher pressure. I don't see the Hawks as they are with Huerter out, JC out, drops in Len, and rookies or unproven vets around the horn as making the 8 seed at this point.

[terrell]

12 hours ago, NBASupes said:

We must remember, assuming we stayed and drafted Luka. 

We would be

Hureter 

Prince 

Luka

Collins

Dedmon  

 

Chances are, with Luka we likely make the playoffs in year 1 and probably used our cap space on a real center like Vecevic. 

We would likely be

Huerter 

Prince

Luka

Collins

Vucevic 

 

We would be right at the top of the eastern conference more likely barring injuries. That's not to say we can't do better with Trae. We just need to develop more is all

And LUka would probably be gone after his rookie deal. lol

[terrell]

12 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Word is Hawks were also eyeing JJJ, could of been worse, a lot worse. Imagine passing on Trae and Luka.

I heard LP liked JJJ..NO wonder it seemed like he kept Trae on min restrictions early last year. lol

[terrell]

12 hours ago, capstone21 said:

I was probably one of the most vocal haters of the Luka trade.

That being said ... it is done and we have what we have.  Luka is the better player but Trae has really exceeded my expectations and is looking like an impact player as well.  He is beyond terrible on D but that was known too.

Cam has a long long way to go but could be a good player with time and experience.

I was beyond pissed. MY son still talks about the shit I was saying that night when they announced the trade. I called Trae everything from a shrimp to a midget.lol. But couldve been worse..So.....

Edited November 26, 2019 by terrell