Statistical Breakdown of the Hawks

[Wurider05]

It begins and ends with defense folks. and we shoot to many 3's. What else can you piece together from these stats?

28th in rebound---41.8 a game

30th in 3pt--------32.2%

14th in 3pa--------33.8 a game

21st in 3pm----------10.9 a game

29th in TOV--------17.5 a game

29th opp points off TO----20.3 ppg

15th in FT----------23.3 a game

23rd in FT%--------74.8%

15th in blocks------5.1 a game

5th in steals---------8.5 a game

19th ppg------------109.8 

28th opp ppg-------------118.9 ppg

29th in defensive rating---114

26th points in the paint----51 ppg

28th in opp 2nd chance---15 ppg

25th opp fg%-------------47.5%

22nd opp 3pt%-----------36.9%

23rd in points scored from 3's-----30%

8th in points scored from 2's---54%

16th in points scored from FT---16%

[TheNorthCydeRises]

It begins and ends with defense folks. and we shoot to many 3's. What else can you piece together from these stats?

 

28th in rebound---41.8 a game . . . . Wrong personnel groupings. Starting C is a poor rebounder

30th in 3pt--------32.2% . . . . Vet wings can't shoot

14th in 3pa--------33.8 a game

21st in 3pm----------10.9 a game . . . . Trae makes about 30% of our 3s, other guys are hot and cold . . mainly cold

29th in TOV--------17.5 a game . . . . Top 5 in TO% - Turner, Bruno, Bembry, Trae, Cam

29th opp points off TO----20.3 ppg . . . . Turnovers lead to fast break points

15th in FT----------23.3 a game

23rd in FT%--------74.8% . . . . Trae shoots 85%, everyone else shoots a combined 72%

15th in blocks------5.1 a game

5th in steals---------8.5 a game

19th ppg------------109.8 

28th opp ppg-------------118.9 ppg . . . . Rookies are our best defenders, vets defend like garbage

29th in defensive rating---114 . . . . See above

26th points in the paint----51 ppg . . . . Is this "opponents points in the paint"?  Guards can't defend, wings playing PF

28th in opp 2nd chance---15 ppg . . . . Poor defensive rebounding bigs, team is overall soft as hell

25th opp fg%-------------47.5% . . . . No rim protection, no 3 point protection

22nd opp 3pt%-----------36.9% . . . . Guys caught out of position way too much on the perimeter

23rd in points scored from 3's-----30% . . . . Vets can't shoot . . how bad would this be without Trae's shooting?  

8th in points scored from 2's---54%

16th in points scored from FT---16%

[Diesel]

Bottom line.

 

We flat out SUCK.

We need some defense. 

 

[Wurider05]

The rebounding is the main thing killing us. We are getting killed on the boards every night.

[macdaddy]

It's amazing that Trae has been pretty much consistently on even when the whole team plays like garbage.  That ain't easy.

I can't remember a team where the drop off from the best player to the next best player was so huge.  

[hawkman]

44 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

It's amazing that Trae has been pretty much consistently on even when the whole team plays like garbage.  That ain't easy.

I can't remember a team where the drop off from the best player to the next best player was so huge.  

He's improved exponentially since last season. He's way ahead of this rebuild and I hope Schlenk does something about that because the vets on the roster right now aren't cutting it. Schlenk needs to at least make a few trades to field a semi-competitive team so Trae and the Rookies can play in a more structured environment. 

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

What's confusing is our defense is terrible, yet 5th in steals and 15th in blocks... I agree it's rebounding and turnovers.

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

What's confusing is our defense is terrible, yet 5th in steals and 15th in blocks... I agree it's rebounding and turnovers.

This is a lot of it.

1. You turn the ball over you don't give your defense any chance.

2.You play good defense for 24 seconds then give up an offensive rebound

3. We give up a lot of 3s too...I don't remember the stat for wide open 3s. 

4. These guys aren't communicating and playing as a unit on defense though. Take care of your guy and provide help as needed. When a player is always looking for defensive help it's already failed.

In the words of Supes - YPJ - the trio makes for a really bad combination defensively 1v1 and team.

[bleachkit]

https://www.espn.com/fantasy/basketball/story/_/id/28325154/fantasy-nba-daily-notes-hawks-d-fantasy-best-friend

[JTB]

1 hour ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

What's confusing is our defense is terrible, yet 5th in steals and 15th in blocks... I agree it's rebounding and turnovers.

 

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This is a lot of it.

1. You turn the ball over you don't give your defense any chance.

2.You play good defense for 24 seconds then give up an offensive rebound

3. We give up a lot of 3s too...I don't remember the stat for wide open 3s. 

4. These guys aren't communicating and playing as a unit on defense though. Take care of your guy and provide help as needed. When a player is always looking for defensive help it's already failed.

In the words of Supes - YPJ - the trio makes for a really bad combination defensively 1v1 and team.

 

folks have to watch the games to know this. Yes it’s just stats but the eye test has shown this when as well on most nights. Not to say we are good defensively but if the turnovers can cut down and if we can actually rebound the damn ball that would shed off atleast a avg of 15pts per game if not possibly more.

[AHF]

3 hours ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

What's confusing is our defense is terrible, yet 5th in steals and 15th in blocks... I agree it's rebounding and turnovers.

Also, steals and blocks don't translate directly to good defense.  Guys who are out of position or gamble for steals, etc. may have good steal or block numbers but give up too many easy baskets to their man or cause the defense to lose shape leading to an easy basket for another opponent.  Can't really use those two numbers as a proxy for good D - just one piece of the pie.

[capstone21]

6 hours ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

What's confusing is our defense is terrible, yet 5th in steals and 15th in blocks... I agree it's rebounding and turnovers.

Getting steals and blocks does not necessarily mean good d.  Stopping guys, staying in front of your man, not playing matador is good d

[lethalweapon3]

I was peeking at my favorite page (ESPN's magical DRPM page, of course!) and even AFTER yesterday's derp-bacle, Our Hero, no longer dead-last, remains above several "Wizars" at the bottom of the barrel.

Hey, JJ Redick, are those footsteps you hear? Watch out!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/DRPM

~lw3

[Thomas]

On 12/18/2019 at 6:09 PM, capstone21 said:

.  Stopping guys, staying in front of your man, not playing matador is good d

Staying in front of his man is what Bembry could be on D but just won't.