Popular Post bleachkit Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: True or not regarding where Hayward's preference is to play, Weiss writing this makes his take really questionable: Collins? Our young soon to be all world power forward? GTFOH. Dumbass m'fer Celtic butt licker.. 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted November 18, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Collins? Our young soon to be all world power forward? GTFOH. Dumbass m'fer Celtic butt licker.. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS5 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, gurpilo said: Jae Crowder is a guy that I think could play at Hayward level at a much reasonable contract. I would rather go on that direction with 15 per year that pay 30 for an injury prone Hayward. Come on dude.. Nobody here wants to overpay for Hayward and Crowder would be a nice piece. But they are not even in the same universe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSays Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Anyone have any info on this? Little concerning as I'd consider Okongwu to be "my guy." I'd still probably take him since we have depth there while he heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 12 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Latest from Edwards, this is not very inspiring: He's not serious is he? https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30321844/the-pain-promise-top-nba-draft-prospect-anthony-edwards Actual footage of Edward's agent seeing the interview: 7 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderballer Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, NBASupes said: There is no signs Atlanta would give an extension with anywhere near this much given. That's max money. Al Horford salary is what been said behind the scenes and even said publically. My guess is he doesn't want to leave his 2020 payday and get that extension as well. Right. If he opts in and extends, he gets to keep his 2021 $34M salary and then the extension years would be whatever his market value was. I seriously doubt the Knicks or Pistons are offering him a 3 yr $90M deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 10 hours ago, terrell said: Not sure if he wants to play with Trae after this....lol The only way to be sure it doesn't happen again next season is to play with Trae and not against him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) hace 10 minutos, DS5 dijo: Come on dude.. Nobody here wants to overpay for Hayward and Crowder would be a nice piece. But they are not even in the same universe. Ummm you think so? Advanced stats say Crowder contribution was much better on Miami than Hayward on Boston. WS, VORP, percentages, defense..... There is a perception of players but tat perception is not always true, sometimes stats are worth checking and we are not signing the Hayward from Utah, this is a different player that is declining Edited November 18, 2020 by gurpilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, AHF said: The only way to be sure it doesn't happen again next season is to play with Trae and not against him. Even then, it's a toss up. 14 minutes ago, ShooterSays said: Anyone have any info on this? Little concerning as I'd consider Okongwu to be "my guy." I'd still probably take him since we have depth there while he heals. Yep. That sound you hear is kg scratching 'Gwu off muh boards. He was hanging on by a thread as is. I ain't enamored with 6'7" centers(sic) with questionable offensive game in the first place. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JeffS17 Posted November 18, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, gurpilo said: Ummm you think so? Advanced stats say Crowder contribution was much better on Miami than Hayward on Boston. WS, VORP, percentages, defense..... There is a perception of players but tat perception is not true, we are not signing Hayward feom Utah, this is a different player that is declining Using advanced stats to judge a player removes all context such as coaching, schemes, teammates, etc. All of those stats have pretty big downsides to them. Half of them are actually just measuring usage+how good is your team. The distinction between stats and talent/ability is what makes good NBA scouts different than arm-chair box score watchers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, AHF said: Actual footage of Edward's agent seeing the interview: What's so bad about the interview? Seems like a sympathetic portrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, REHawksFan said: If we all take off our hopeful Hawks glasses, it seems pretty evident that Atlanta isn't his first choice, with all due respect to Supes who says otherwise. It just seems like if he WANTED to be a Hawk, it would or could be done already. The theory of helping Boston facilitate another deal to make them better but getting draft pick compensation for our trouble just seems a little too convenient, imo. I'd love it all to be true. Just not getting my hopes up as @JayBirdHawk has suggested. I don't follow the logic train here. Let's follow a scenario where Atlanta is his top choice. GH is in discussion with the Celtics and makes it clear he wants to go to Atlanta. Boston tells GH that they want to sign and trade him to Atlanta. If he opts out, he is looking at a salary that will be about $10M lower than his next year salary if he opts in. Why wouldn't he give Boston extra time to try to work out a deal with Atlanta that would have him coming in as part of an opt-in and extension? That gets him to his preferred team for the most money. Isn't that what we would expect a FA to try to achieve? (Note: I'm not saying we are necessarily his top choice but I am saying that the fact that he extended the deadline to give Atlanta and Boston time to try to work out a deal doesn't mean we aren't his top choice. Doesn't really speak to it one way or the other. Really speaks to him wanting to maximize his next contract which will be the last big one of his career.) 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 hace 9 minutos, JeffS17 dijo: Using advanced stats to judge a player removes all context such as coaching, schemes, teammates, etc. All of those stats have pretty big downsides to them. Half of them are actually just measuring usage+how good is your team. The distinction between stats and talent/ability is what makes good NBA scouts different than arm-chair box score watchers. I prefer data over perception. Both play similar role on similar teams, scoring is on Hayward side but efficiency is on Crowder side, he has less shots but show more influence on winning. Specially on playoffs. As I said people tend to remember good times, today's Hayward is a good player but not at Utah's level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, ShooterSays said: Anyone have any info on this? Little concerning as I'd consider Okongwu to be "my guy." I'd still probably take him since we have depth there while he heals. We already got a big with a bad foot. UGH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, bleachkit said: What's so bad about the interview? Seems like a sympathetic portrayal. I can't tell if this is being sarcastic. If this interview came out after the draft then no problem. It isn't a hit piece. But Edwards' statements about lacking passion for the game is a major red flag at a time when his agent is doing everything he can to get Minnesota to take him (and to get him to go as high as possible). If things are close between players, this could absolutely result in him sliding and agent's take slides with every slot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, AHF said: I can't tell if this is being sarcastic. If this interview came out after the draft then no problem. It isn't a hit piece. But Edwards' statements about lacking passion for the game is a major red flag at a time when his agent is doing everything he can to get Minnesota to take him (and to get him to go as high as possible). If things are close between players, this could absolutely result in him sliding and agent's take slides with every slot. I didnt read the whole thing. I just kinda skimmed it, looked like it just gave an inside look at his life and upbringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, AHF said: I don't follow the logic train here. Let's follow a scenario where Atlanta is his top choice. GH is in discussion with the Celtics and makes it clear he wants to go to Atlanta. Boston tells GH that they want to sign and trade him to Atlanta. If he opts out, he is looking at a salary that will be about $10M lower than his next year salary if he opts in. Why wouldn't he give Boston extra time to try to work out a deal with Atlanta that would have him coming in as part of an opt-in and extension? That gets him to his preferred team for the most money. Isn't that what we would expect a FA to try to achieve? (Note: I'm not saying we are necessarily his top choice but I am saying that the fact that he extended the deadline to give Atlanta and Boston time to try to work out a deal doesn't mean we aren't his top choice. Doesn't really speak to it one way or the other. Really speaks to him wanting to maximize his next contract which will be the last big one of his career.) He's trying to get long term security. He could keep his 30 mill this season but he's 30 years old. What kind of contract will he get in 2021? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, bleachkit said: What's so bad about the interview? Seems like a sympathetic portrayal. Maybe it's a ploy, but that interview has Takk McKinley vibes..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, AHF said: I don't follow the logic train here. Let's follow a scenario where Atlanta is his top choice. GH is in discussion with the Celtics and makes it clear he wants to go to Atlanta. Boston tells GH that they want to sign and trade him to Atlanta. If he opts out, he is looking at a salary that will be about $10M lower than his next year salary if he opts in. Why wouldn't he give Boston extra time to try to work out a deal with Atlanta that would have him coming in as part of an opt-in and extension? That gets him to his preferred team for the most money. Isn't that what we would expect a FA to try to achieve? (Note: I'm not saying we are necessarily his top choice but I am saying that the fact that he extended the deadline to give Atlanta and Boston time to try to work out a deal doesn't mean we aren't his top choice. Doesn't really speak to it one way or the other. Really speaks to him wanting to maximize his next contract which will be the last big one of his career.) Well my logic didn't consider that he would make more if he opts-in and extends than he would get over a longer term deal on the open market. IF that's the case, then sure, it would benefit him to allow the trade to happen. Maybe ATL is playing along because they really want GH. My logic was that the money would be relatively even either way and asking for more time seemed to imply that he was looking for better opportunities with more established teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, bleachkit said: I didnt read the whole thing. I just kinda skimmed it, looked like it just gave an inside look at his life and upbringing. Well maybe you should ... read the article before chiding others for their reactions after *gasp* reading the article. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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