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Popular Post Gray Mule Posted February 19, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Cam Reddish is set to be one of the real stars of the Atlanta Hawks after the all star game! Hawks should make a push to become a decent NBA team for the remainder of the season and prepare to be good next season. A year's growing should do wonders for our young guys. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KB21 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Gray Mule said: Cam Reddish is set to be one of the real stars of the Atlanta Hawks after the all star game! Hawks should make a push to become a decent NBA team for the remainder of the season and prepare to be good next season. A year's growing should do wonders for our young guys. If they are really going to start playing him on the ball more and try to run the offense through him, then it is too much too soon. It’s abjectly poor player development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I also think that having a meeting with the “Core 5” and not the entire team is extremely poor coaching and is reflective of the culture that is being built. This meeting essentially puts those 5 players above the rest of the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, KB21 said: I also think that having a meeting with the “Core 5” and not the entire team is extremely poor coaching and is reflective of the culture that is being built. This meeting essentially puts those 5 players above the rest of the team. Every team has a core. Even Bud used to talk about the core all of the time. You are the worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: Every team has a core. Even Bud used to talk about the core all of the time. You are the worst. I can guarantee you that Bud never had a meeting with a select few players over the entire team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted February 20, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, KB21 said: I can guarantee you that Bud never had a meeting with a select few players over the entire team. You bet Bud has never had a meeting with a handful of the team’s players? Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I wouldn’t make too much of this core 5 stuff. Every professional organization that I’ve ever been apart of has targeted meeting with specific groups within that organization. Within a professional sports locker room I’d imagine it’s the same way. Guys usually fall into certain categories and as such have a specific set of conversations and expectations that run separate of the larger overall team speeches. Most teams have an older veteran group of guys age 30+ that has a higher expectation of mentorship and vocal responsibility. You wouldn’t waste their time talking about housekeeping things because they have already figured out how to be pros and take care of their bodies. They likely have wives and kids and their priorities are geared towards business ventures and balancing the hectic schedule of an 82 game workload with other personal priorities. (Teague, Vince, Dedmon) Then there are your younger vets, guys who’ve been around for 4-5 years or more who aren’t quite young and naive anymore but still are looking to grow their games, maybe redefine their roles and presence in the organization. They are looking to or have just received their 1st or 2nd contracts after their rookie deals and want to know what the plan is for them in the big picture and how the organization’s decisions will effect them going forward. They are the most self serving and independent of all the players because they’ve gotten a taste of reality along the way and are at the point where they can either have long term careers in this league or become a statistic. This is where guys usually humble themselves and become a specialist at something to prolong their career. (Bembry, Capela, Skal) Then there’s the journeymen. Guys who are on short deals or non guaranteed contracts who see the writing on the wall and are already considering the next move. These guys are less involved with the team and organization and are extremely reliant upon their agents and inner circle because they need to be aware at all times that they may be cut, traded, sent back to the G-league, playing overseas, etc... Their convos with the staff are short and sweet. Usually “thanks for playing your part, we’re going to do our best to showcase you and help you find a better situation. You have a place in this league even if it isn’t with us” type conversations. (Graham, Jones, Skal until we figure out what we have with him) Then you have your younger guys who are split into either fringe roster players (Bruno, Brown, Goodwin) or your young core (Young, Kev, JC, Hunter, Cam). Both groups are still figuring things out. Who are still leaning on the organization and coaching to maximize their potential. Who don’t yet know if they are truly great or just a role player. They need constant communication. They need defined regimes with the staff and trainers to ensure they are on the right path and taking care of their bodies. They need reassurance whenever a decision is made that it’s not personal. They are hopeful that they have a long term relationship with the organization and are extremely sensitive to any outside perception regarding the direction of the team. So the notion that guys are being treated better or worse, etc... is just wrong. There are still team meetings with everyone together, there are still one on one meetings with players alone. There are still positional meetings and film study for on court X’s and O’s. But you must also have the specific small group meetings to maximize your message to your audience. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said: So the notion that guys are being treated better or worse, etc... is just wrong. There are still team meetings with everyone together, there are still one on one meetings with players alone. There are still positional meetings and film study for on court X’s and O’s. This is my thinking. Being left out is not good for team chemistry. … is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 20, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 People forget WLOC already - . These guys are the core foundation of our team and expected to lead the charge to end the season. They are the guys on which we are building. Teague, Bembry, Jones, Graham are all pending (R)FAs. Capela and Skal aren't playing for awhile. Dedmon - vet Bruno and Goodwin - low men on the totem pole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 So after all this rhetoric going back and forth about the Core Five my question is....why the hell is Chris Vivlamore still around here now? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted February 20, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Thomas said: So after all this rhetoric going back and forth about the Core Five my question is....why the hell is Chris Vivlamore still around here now? He's building his brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Gray Mule said: This is my thinking. Being left out is not good for team chemistry. … is just wrong. The focus should be on building the culture and trying to establish winning as the goal. What they are doing is putting the needs of a few over the needs of everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, KB21 said: The focus should be on building the culture and trying to establish winning as the goal. What they are doing is putting the needs of a few over the needs of everyone. It’s called investing extra time in to the pillars of your organization 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said: It’s called investing extra time in to the pillars of your organization ....and what they are doing is building a culture where select few are greater than the team. The culture should be that no one is above the team. That’s what happens when you tank though. You do not build the right culture, and that’s why tanking leads to perennial losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I believe the other guys on the team are smart enough to know what the deal is . We are a rebuilding team and Trae,Kevin, Cam, Hunter , and Collins were our first round picks. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I feel like C Viv calling it "the Core Five meeting" is making it into something it wasn't. But I'm not sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, pimp said: I believe the other guys on the team are smart enough to know what the deal is . We are a rebuilding team and Trae,Kevin, Cam, Hunter , and Collins were our first round picks. ... Interesting. So, when the time comes that they want to focus on the team as a whole instead of just a few of the players, how do you think they can just flip that switch when they are already babying the few? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted February 20, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 We have very little information on this right now to provide key context. Whether this is "putting the few above the many" or "babying" people depends on the details we don't have. This is the list of the youngest players on the team so the idea that you would do special messaging to them is neither surprising nor unusual. If it was a message that they are the privileged few that is not good. If it is a message that they have to work their ***es off on X, Y and Z and these are the expectations then that is a good thing. Issuing a challenge to these young players is a good thing. If anyone thinks every message from the coach goes to the entire team they haven't actually been in a locker room for far too long. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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