Official Game Thread: Knicks at Hawks

[marco102]

5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Wins just never come easy for us, even when we are playing well.

Yeah, just part of being a young team.  We'll get there though. We are got these solid vets now!

Edited February 10, 2020 by marco102

[bleachkit]

I would love to see us win tomorrow night. We always play like shit the second night of a B2B. Just once, surprise us.

[NBASupes]

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

Or

You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

Or

You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

Or

You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

Or

You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

I think he could be a volume three point shooter, not saying it'll happen but it's possible. What's important to me is that guys are playing smart team ball more so than putting up big numbers.

[NBASupes]

22 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I think he could be a volume three point shooter, not saying it'll happen but it's possible. 

How? 

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What's important to me is that guys are playing smart team ball more so than putting up big numbers.

I can rock with this

Edited February 10, 2020 by NBASupes

[TheNorthCydeRises]

31 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

Or

You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

Or

You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

Just for a reality check, there have only been 16 guys in the past 10 seasons who have averaged 20 pts - 5 rebs - 5 asst

• Lebron ( 10 times )
• Westbrook ( 8 )
• Harden ( 6 )
• Curry ( 4 )
• Durant ( 4 )
• Giannis ( 3 )
• Blake Griffin ( 3 )
• Kobe ( 2 )
• Kyrie ( 2 ) 
• Jimmy Butler ( 2 )
• DeRozan ( 2 )
• Jokic ( 2 )
• Doncic ( 2 . . if he stays at that level this season )
• Cousins ( 1 ) 
• Bradley Beal ( 1 )
• Kawhi ( 1 ) 

[lethalweapon3]

Xtra! Xtra!

~lw3

[Spud2nique]

Post all star ️ break when he’s healthy we should run a lineup of :

Capela/Ded/Collins/Huerter/Trae for some spurts. Collins is skilled enough to play SF and Ded can definitely play some PF.

Thoughts? Just for some spurts.

 

[Spud2nique]

 

 

 

 

[terrell]

The Hawks were down 8 with 1:38 to go in O.T. and won. When was the last time that happened? lol

[bleachkit]

34 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Just for a reality check, there have only been 16 guys in the past 10 seasons who have averaged 20 pts - 5 rebs - 5 asst

• Lebron ( 10 times )
• Westbrook ( 8 )
• Harden ( 6 )
• Curry ( 4 )
• Durant ( 4 )
• Giannis ( 3 )
• Blake Griffin ( 3 )
• Kobe ( 2 )
• Kyrie ( 2 ) 
• Jimmy Butler ( 2 )
• DeRozan ( 2 )
• Jokic ( 2 )
• Doncic ( 2 . . if he stays at that level this season )
• Cousins ( 1 ) 
• Bradley Beal ( 1 )
• Kawhi ( 1 ) 

Get ready to add Kevin Huerter to that list. It's coming baby!

[High5]

The hot takes in these game threads are out of control. I don't know how y'all do it every game.

[Gray Mule]

Welcome home Mr. Dedmon!  You have been missed.  Great to have you back.

Ice Trae - Great, under pressure - Hitting every free throw!!  Way to go!

Remember, Hawks once had a 13 win season.  15 wins before the all star game.  This will not be our worst season, ever!  Capela, getting welcomed here, looked like he wanted to get in there tonight.

Not only Collins, but the entire Hawks team, getting run over by Randle.  If they make a movie of the NBA life of "The King," Randle could play the part perfectly!  Bruno got run over by someone and had 3 fouls in about 30 seconds.  

These NY players run a great bully boy game.  Hawks really needed both of our new centers.  With one, Hawks win in 2 overtimes.  Trae's floater that missed led to this overtime.  Capela, in my opinion, would have helped against that bully boy playing.

NY came in with a 4 game winning streak.  Left with a loss.  Hawks, in a back to back, with a 2 overtime game at home, hoping to win another one tonight!

[Thomas]

8 hours ago, terrell said:

The Hawks were down 8 with 1:38 to go in O.T. and won. When was the last time that happened? lol

That sounds a lot like MJ kinda stuff. If you didn't have a double digit lead against him with one or two minutes left you were probably gonna lose the game. A ton of fun last night with that close out, just took a damn good while. 

[AHF]

11 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Get ready to add Kevin Huerter to that list. It's coming baby!

I think you are overly optimistic on him but like the confidence!  The single biggest thing Kevin could do to improve his offensive game is start learning to draw fouls.  I would have him in the weight room this summer and spending some time watching videos of Kevin Martin's ability to draw fouls.  I don't mind that he isn't a guy who feels the need to force high volume but getting to the line would do wonders for his consistency.

[Plainview1981]

20 hours ago, NBASupes said:

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

Or

You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

Or

You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

Reef and Smitty (when he was here) were basically 20PPG scorers. I don’t remember them being that efficient.

[EazyRoc]

Kevin’s passing is just so inconsistent. His touch and placement has been boo boo so far this game