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5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Wins just never come easy for us, even when we are playing well.

Yeah, just part of being a young team.  We'll get there though. We are got these solid vets now!

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To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

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You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

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You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

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2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

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You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

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You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

I think he could be a volume three point shooter, not saying it'll happen but it's possible. What's important to me is that guys are playing smart team ball more so than putting up big numbers.

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22 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I think he could be a volume three point shooter, not saying it'll happen but it's possible. 

How? 

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What's important to me is that guys are playing smart team ball more so than putting up big numbers.

I can rock with this

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31 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

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You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

Or

You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

Just for a reality check, there have only been 16 guys in the past 10 seasons who have averaged 20 pts - 5 rebs - 5 asst

  • Lebron ( 10 times )
  • Westbrook ( 8 )
  • Harden ( 6 )
  • Curry ( 4 )
  • Durant ( 4 )
  • Giannis ( 3 )
  • Blake Griffin ( 3 )
  • Kobe ( 2 )
  • Kyrie ( 2 ) 
  • Jimmy Butler ( 2 )
  • DeRozan ( 2 )
  • Jokic ( 2 )
  • Doncic ( 2 . . if he stays at that level this season )
  • Cousins ( 1 ) 
  • Bradley Beal ( 1 )
  • Kawhi ( 1 ) 
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Post all star ️ break when he’s healthy we should run a lineup of :

Capela/Ded/Collins/Huerter/Trae for some spurts. Collins is skilled enough to play SF and Ded can definitely play some PF.

Thoughts? Just for some spurts.

 

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11 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Get ready to add Kevin Huerter to that list. It's coming baby!

I think you are overly optimistic on him but like the confidence!  The single biggest thing Kevin could do to improve his offensive game is start learning to draw fouls.  I would have him in the weight room this summer and spending some time watching videos of Kevin Martin's ability to draw fouls.  I don't mind that he isn't a guy who feels the need to force high volume but getting to the line would do wonders for his consistency.

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20 hours ago, NBASupes said:

To score 20ppg or more, your scoring versatility needs to be crazy good. Efficiency, shot creation, and some physical advantage is critical for this one. This is Joe and guys like him.

Or

You need to be a volume three point shooter (8-10 three per game), (You need to have movement prongs or be a high end variance three point shooter, have a history shooting with volume) - Klay, DeVonte' Graham, and guys them.

Or

You need to be a volume foul drawing machine like Bradley Beal, Andrew Wiggins. This is usually a skill like volume three point shooting that comes from college. 

Kevin doesn't fall in none of the categories. The elite scorers like Trae fall in all three. Even a guy like Manu is elite at drawing fouls. I don't see it. I think 16 will be his max and as Cam and Hunter get better, likely 12-14ppg is his max.

Reef and Smitty (when he was here) were basically 20PPG scorers. I don’t remember them being that efficient.

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Kevin’s passing is just so inconsistent. His touch and placement has been boo boo so far this game

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      In and out for much of the season already, Michael Carter-Williams was missing time due to injury, and by the time he returned to action in mid-January, he tagged out D.J. Augustin, whose patella irritation (still out tonight) has had the lead bench guard unavailable ever since.
      Orlando had already weathered the storm of losing recent All-Star pivot Nikola Vucevic for a month. But for a squad that relied on defensive fortitude from Isaac, a discrete set of offensive options around wayward-shooting ballhandler Markelle Fultz, and snail’s-pace ball-control keyed by Augustin and Carter-Williams off the bench as pillars to victory, Clifford’s Magic seem to be just about out of tricks.
      One night after upsetting LeBron’s Lakers to get within a game of .500 basketball, Orlando had to endure the dreaded STAPLES back-to-back and got clapped by the Clippers. They’ve been in an O-Town Funk ever since. Two wins, both on the road at charcoaled Charlotte, are all the team can claim from their past twelve contests. Their last victory here at Amway Center, over a month ago, came at the expense of a Wizards team that didn’t even have All-Star wannabe Bradley Beal.
      The Magic (22-31) began a three-game homestand getting toyed with by Giannis and top-seeded Milwaukee, a preview of what might be a sad but swift playoff opening round, should no other Eastern lottery teams step it up in the coming months. With just two home games left before the All-Star Break (Detroit arrives on Wednesday), the Magic hopes they can face a squad that tired itself out last night in Atlanta. The Hawks (15-39) needed four quarters and a pair of overtimes to outlast a Knicks team that itself was playing a back-to-back.
      Remember that the Magic had already been awaiting several young players to get healthy and emerge as stars for the future. They spent a mid-first-rounder on Atlanta native Chuma Okeke, who tore his ACL while starring for Auburn during last year’s March Madness campaign, with the intention of rehabbing and bringing him along slowly as Aminu and Amile Jefferson played behind Gordon this season. They’ve been pleased that Fultz and center Mo Bamba have been healthy, steady members of the rotation. But they have been forced to rely more on the lotto-pick pair at critical junctures of this season than they likely anticipated. The same goes for third-year bench players Wes Iwundu and Khem Birch.
      Having already tripled his volume of starts in Philly before the Sixers discarded him, Markelle passes and shoots inside the arc reasonably well (4.8 APG; 50.1 2FG%). He’d be all the more dangerous with dribble penetration if he had reliable perimeter shooters at the ready. Atlanta ranks 30th in three-point accuracy (32.6 3FG%, 34.3% since Jan. 1), but the Magic (33.4 3FG%, 33.5 since Jan. 1) are coming on strong for that dead-last spot.
      2019 Sixth Man of the Year candidate Terrence Ross’ jumper has plummeted back to Earth this year (32.2 3FG%, 3-for-19 FGs vs. ATL this season). Vucevic and Gordon combined to shoot 0-for-13, and Ross 1-for-4, from deep against the Bucks in Saturday’s 111-95 loss, making Fultz (3-for-7 3FG vs. MIL, a season-high in makes; 26.9 3FG% on the season) look quite the marksman.
      At least the Hawks have a point guard in Trae Young (39 points, incl. 13 in 4th quarter; 5-for-10 3FGs, incl. the game-clincher, vs. ORL on Oct. 26) who can call his own number on occasion. Perhaps, two, at least until Jeff Teague (37.1 2FG%, probable for tonight despite sore shoulder) gets out of his shooting rut. Without Young, Brandon Goodwin saved the day for the Hawks in Orlando back on December 30, sinking big shots inside and out (team-high 21 points, 3-for-4 3FGs), generally catching the Magic off-guard in a 101-93 win.
      The former UCF and Florida Gulf Coast star guard isn’t as effective in spot duty. But when Hawks coach Lloyd Pierce has turned to the two-way player and Midseason All-G-Leaguer for major minutes, Goodwin (just 4 minutes last night vs. NYK) has shown he’s up to the task (42.9 FG%, 100 FT%, 24 assists and 12 TOs in games w/ 20+ minutes).
      The sole major move by Magic exec Jeff Weltman to bolster team depth was the acquisition of James Ennis, the reserve forward who generally struggled with Philadelphia this season (37.0 FG% since Dec. 31) before waiving his no-trade clause to come to Orlando. Ennis is expected to premiere tonight for the Magic, who waived Jefferson at the Trade Deadline to accommodate Ennis and make 10-day contractor Gary Clark a full-time member.
      It is hoped that Ennis’ addition will give Gordon (41.9 FG%, 15.4 points and 3.4 assists per-36, down from 44.9%, 17.0 and 4.0 last season) more latitude to play full-time at the power forward spot, where he is perceived to be more effective. Orlando is 9-4 when AG snares 8 or more defensive rebounds, 3-13 when he grabs fewer than five. The Magic frontline has struggled to this point when plugging in either Iwundu or Ross in place of the sidelined Isaac, so they hope Ennis will be a difference maker defensively.
      Along the way to a 42-40 record in 2018-19, their first winning season since 2011-12, Clifford’s Magic were among three opponents to sweep the 29-53 Hawks in four games, and the only one to win them all by double-digit margins. With a chance to improve to 3-0 versus Orlando this season, it is reasonable to wonder whether Pierce and the Hawks finally have the Magic’s number.
      Clifford’s 36-46 Hornets similarly swept the 2017-18 Hawks by double-digits in four games. Matt Hill, a longtime Magic video analyst who was the sole assistant initially retained by Clifford when he took over for Frank Vogel in 2018, left shortly thereafter to join Pierce’s staff, and his intimate knowledge may be proving valuable in Atlanta’s competitive turnaround against mainstays Vucevic, Fournier and Gordon (DNP vs. ATL on Dec. 30). The trio was a combined 5-for-28 on threes and has been generally ineffective in second halves versus Atlanta through the first two matchups.
      Orlando may catch an extra break keeping up offensively if Atlanta’s De’Andre Hunter (38.3 corner 3FG% on team-high 1.6 attempts per game; team-high 35 minutes, 3-for-6 3FGs @ ORL in December; 48 minutes, 3-for-7 3FGs vs. NYK; questionable, ankle sprain) gets some rest today. Without several wing defenders available for the Hawks, Fournier and Ross must each be on-target today.
      Catching up with Orlando and attaining a playoff spot is a bit too much of an ask at this stage for a Hawks team that struggled to put the Knicks to bed last night, and they won’t have a core with a chance to gel until Clint Capela (out, heel bone) and Cam Reddish (questionable, concussion) make their likely returns after the All-Star Break. But it is possible for the Hawks to surge soon past at least one division rival.
      A win tonight would raise Atlanta to 5-4 within the Southeast Division (0-3 versus banner leader Miami), an above-.500 mark that neither Charlotte (1-6; 2.0 games ahead of ATL) nor Washington (4-8; 4.5 games ahead of ATL) is likely to claim. By comparison, yesterday’s win over New York vaulted Atlanta to just 4-22 versus the rest of the conference.
      Building competitive edges against the rest of the Southeast can bode well for Atlanta, both going into the Break and looking forward to next season. Will they have the legs and the wherewithal to keep building against the struggling Magic tonight? Orlando certainly hopes the answer is no.
       
      Let’s Go Hawks!
      ~lw3