Why is Trae Young hated so much??

[AHF]

Bear in mind two other things in addition to the 2 points people have already made:

1. He evokes strong reactions from people but not just hate.  He just led all Eastern Conference guards in voting for the All-Star game so he is also very loved.  Being a leading vote getter from the Atlanta Hawks takes some strong love to make happen.  We aren't a fan base like the Lakers where just being on the team and having a case for the ASG means you will get tons of bandwagon support.  
2. Every player who plays on a losing team and puts up great stats gets some degree of hate.  Michael Jordan was called an empty stats guy until he started winning and by the time he was done the same guys who were complaining about his selfish chucking were calling him the GOAT.  Guys like Luka who are on playoff teams don't get the same hate that a guy on one of the worst teams in the league does.  This will improve as the Hawks improve.  There will be a wrap about how he has changed and matured but at the end of the day there are a lot of people who won't give him credit until the Hawks start winning more games.

[Gray Mule]

25 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Cause he plays for the Hawks!

So true.  What else can we say!

[marco102]

Oh you must just be reading Stillwater's posts. 

SMDH!  That dude is a 

 

Oddly enough. I read a post somewhere where someone said DaAron  Fox was two times a talented as Trae Young.  I'm like where? 

Also, there's this weird obsession with them comparing Trae to Ja Morant too and acting like Ja is 1000's time better because he's an all around player when his defense is bad too. 

Edited February 11, 2020 by marco102

[RedDawg#8]

There’s a saying, “If you don't have haters then you're doing something wrong.”

This is just the nature of being great. You get all of the attention and you are criticized to the most extreme degree. 

Someone already pointed out, he is also extremely loved considering he led all Eastern conference guards in voting. That means his crowd of supporters is just a loud if not louder than his detractors.

Put it like this, many here, including myself, used to hate on Lebron whenever we faced him. We used to boo D Wade when we played them in the playoffs. We boo’d the Big 3 Celtics as well.

When you are great, people will love you and people will hate you, there’s no in between. But regardless of which crowd they fall in, you’re on THEIR mind at the of the day.

Don’t feed in to the hate, don’t give it any energy. Folks have to talk about something. Traes numbers  and play will always speak for itself. 

True Talk

[benhillboy]

5 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He is crafty af but plays a game where he likes to bait for fouls like Lou Williams, Luka, and James Harden. People hate that style of play outside of Luka because he's you know... 

Honestly, it's a skill. That's pretty much it. Guys like that aren't fun for many fans while some love Trae because he plays like it's pickup Basketball. That's why kids love Trae Young. I know I would if I was a kid. He's the modern Iverson. 

All of this and a lot more.  I confirm I’m just an old fart.  I grew up enjoying PGs who were spearheads of their team defenses, hating those who weren’t, and scoffing at any idea that the new wave of basketball can discount PG defense.  You can’t hide or account for a defender as bad as Trae, conversely he makes everyone’s job harder.  I’m also a Steph Fanatic and Trae’s off ball game is horse sh!t in comparison.  
 

I just can’t like the kid and I’ve always contended he’s one of the 5-10 best passers ever, shooting and scoring quite overrated tho.  Teams can easily live with defending the lob to give up his floaters, a flop foul, or a ridiculously deep three rather than defend the multiplicity of sharing playmaking duties.  Dude’s just way too small to be on the ball all the time.  
 

No one can question my Hawks fandom but I can’t be a homer for a player who’s game I fundamentally dislike.  So don’t say “RealGM idiots” when I’m at the forefront of Trae Detractors.  Until he starts drawing attention off the ball and getting into a respectable defensive stance to cut off a passing lane I’ll be that.  The Bucks are 5-0 without the defending MVP and no one near Trae’s offensive production because they never field any ass defenders at the point of attack.  Bud don’t play that lazy sh!t copping out because of size.

Edited February 11, 2020 by benhillboy

[terrell]

5 hours ago, HawkItus said:

Same reason they hated Reggie Theus, Rick Fox, Curry etc.  People hate the pretty boy that has game.

But they bash him for his looks and hair too. Unlike the before mentioned..

[TheNorthCydeRises]

44 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

All of this and a lot more.  I confirm I’m just an old fart.  I grew up enjoying PGs who were spearheads of their team defenses, hating those who weren’t, and scoffing at any idea that the new wave of basketball can discount PG defense.  You can’t hide or account for a defender as bad as Trae, conversely he makes everyone’s job harder.  I’m also a Steph Fanatic and Trae’s off ball game is horse sh!t in comparison.  
 

I just can’t like the kid and I’ve always contended he’s one of the 5-10 best passers ever, shooting and scoring quite overrated tho.  Teams can easily live with defending the lob to give up his floaters, a flop foul, or a ridiculously deep three rather than defend the multiplicity of sharing playmaking duties.  Dude’s just way too small to be on the ball all the time.  
 

No one can question my Hawks fandom but I can’t be a homer for a player who’s game I fundamentally dislike.  So don’t say “RealGM idiots” when I’m at the forefront of Trae Detractors.  Until he starts drawing attention off the ball and getting into a respectable defensive stance to cut off a passing lane I’ll be that.  The Bucks are 5-0 without the defending MVP and no one near Trae’s offensive production because they never field any ass defenders at the point of attack.  Bud don’t play that lazy sh!t copping out because of size.

 

Come on man. 

You're the same guy who despised Joe Johnson's game because he faded in and out of being aggressive, and dribbled the night away.  You even loved Jamal Crawford's chuck and duck game because of his aggressiveness.  But you have a problem with Trae?

[RedDawg#8]

Some people don’t need a reason to hate. They just do sometimes, and there’s no point reasoning with them. Let a hater hate and just make sure to drown them out with overt support. Better to make them sick to their stomach  because you’re living your best life than to let them piss you off and you both be miserable. 
 

 

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

14 hours ago, JTB said:

Probably has something to do with .....

-him holding his shoulders as he acts like he’s shivering (promoting his ice trae nickname) as he goes back down court after a deep 3 is made .....

-or shimmying on the floor under the hoop after a and 1 ......

-or maybe that arrogant ass point to the spot of the floor he just took and made on a deep ass 3.

 

.....damn I love this kid! Keep it up Trae!

lol - Harden and Curry all of this as well.

I think it's a culmination of numerous aspects... I agree with @Sothron in that he is proving the doubters wrong... especially those in mainstream New York, Boston, and LA that have always hated Atlanta. Seeing Atlanta with a star has to burn them up, especially New York who hasn't been a contender since Ewing and Starks. Also, he does get a lot of cheap fouls and seeing him jack up shots from da looogggooo probably irritates the purists out there. I'd also throw his size out there too... and the Jordan effect is definitely a factor. Opposing fans hate great players because they aren't on their team. lol

[JayBirdHawk]

I love it.  Keep 'em talking and hating!  

When's the last time the Hawks had a player worthy of all this.  Just wait - when Cam explodes it'll be double trouble.

Seriously though - we were the laughing stock because of the trade and Trae's early struggles, now they're all choking on a healthy serving of blackened crow and it's choking the life out of them - they can't get over it. 

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I love it.  Keep 'em talking and hating!  

When's the last time the Hawks had a player worthy of all this.  Just wait - when Cam explodes it'll be double trouble.

Seriously though - we were the laughing stock because of the trade and Trae's early struggles, now they're all choking on a healthy serving of blackened crow and it's choking the life out of them - they can't get over it. 

 

Again,  you love to see it!

[Dejay]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I love it.  Keep 'em talking and hating!  

When's the last time the Hawks had a player worthy of all this.  Just wait - when Cam explodes it'll be double trouble.

Seriously though - we were the laughing stock because of the trade and Trae's early struggles, now they're all choking on a healthy serving of blackened crow and it's choking the life out of them - they can't get over it. 

No doubt. I still remember folks like Bill Walton singing the Suns' praises when they got Diaw for JJ, even long after Diaw refused to play hard down here and wanted out of town. You have to go back to Nique's heyday to find a guy remotely close in terms of star power, getting phantom calls to go his way, and being the bane of the universe in terms of drawing the ire from mainstream fans and media from bigger markets (NYC, Boston, LA, Chicago, et al).

Mainstream media folks and their fans cannot stand to see such a player doing well, especially after predicting his quick demise within seconds after he was drafted. And when you add in the Atlanta factor, it turns their stomachs ten times more. I guarantee you if Young was playing for the Knicks and they had the same record as the Hawks, you wouldn't hear anything about him 'cherry picking' or not making the USA team. And if he was playing for the Lakers, oh boy. They'd be killing the Mavericks' brass on a daily basis for making such an idiotic trade and begging Cuban to pull the plug on his GM. But since he's in Atlanta instead, well...

 

Edited February 11, 2020 by Dejay

[Thomas]

5 minutes ago, Dejay said:

I guarantee you if Young was playing for the Knicks and they had the same record as the Hawks, you wouldn't hear anything about him 'cherry picking' or not making the USA team.

It would be Linsanity exponential no doubt.

[macdaddy]

12 hours ago, benhillboy said:

All of this and a lot more.  I confirm I’m just an old fart.  I grew up enjoying PGs who were spearheads of their team defenses, hating those who weren’t, and scoffing at any idea that the new wave of basketball can discount PG defense.  You can’t hide or account for a defender as bad as Trae, conversely he makes everyone’s job harder.  I’m also a Steph Fanatic and Trae’s off ball game is horse sh!t in comparison.  
 

I just can’t like the kid and I’ve always contended he’s one of the 5-10 best passers ever, shooting and scoring quite overrated tho.  Teams can easily live with defending the lob to give up his floaters, a flop foul, or a ridiculously deep three rather than defend the multiplicity of sharing playmaking duties.  Dude’s just way too small to be on the ball all the time.  
 

No one can question my Hawks fandom but I can’t be a homer for a player who’s game I fundamentally dislike.  So don’t say “RealGM idiots” when I’m at the forefront of Trae Detractors.  Until he starts drawing attention off the ball and getting into a respectable defensive stance to cut off a passing lane I’ll be that.  The Bucks are 5-0 without the defending MVP and no one near Trae’s offensive production because they never field any ass defenders at the point of attack.  Bud don’t play that lazy sh!t copping out because of size.

I appreciate your point of view because at least we know you don't have an anti-hawks agenda.     On offense though to me it doesn't lie that we are a huge amount better with trae on the court than off.  So I'm not buying that he's too small to be on the ball all the time.  Tons of examples of guys his size doing this. 

On defense though yeah he's not great but i disagree that he's a lazy defender.  There are times for sure but to me he's just not a good defender.  He's actually one of our better defensive rebounders (geez. scary).   And there are tons of examples of other Hawks who were just as bad or worse on d.  Bibby, Lou Williams, Crawford.  

He's 21 and what he's doing is pretty historic.  He has weaknesses for sure but he's still often the best player on the court at 21.

[Sothron]

Trae is not a lazy defender. He was instructed in Oklahoma to literally not play any defense because they couldn't risk him getting fouls. he has no defensive background whatsoever and is having to learn the hard way at the NBA level.

Trae is too small without the explosive quickness and lateral ability to ever be a great defensive PG. The most he can hope for IMO is to be an average defender at his position. 

[macdaddy]

4 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Trae is not a lazy defender. He was instructed in Oklahoma to literally not play any defense because they couldn't risk him getting fouls. he has no defensive background whatsoever and is having to learn the hard way at the NBA level.

Trae is too small without the explosive quickness and lateral ability to ever be a great defensive PG. The most he can hope for IMO is to be an average defender at his position. 

Exactly.  Plus he has the most steals on the team and averages 4.5 rebounds a game.    He can be effective on the defensive end and still be an average defender.  

[NBASupes]

8 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Trae is not a lazy defender. He was instructed in Oklahoma to literally not play any defense because they couldn't risk him getting fouls. he has no defensive background whatsoever and is having to learn the hard way at the NBA level.

Trae is too small without the explosive quickness and lateral ability to ever be a great defensive PG. The most he can hope for IMO is to be an average defender at his position. 

He got lateral ability and good awareness. I just need him to understand, he has to be a lot more aggressive on defense and have more defensive BBIQ to help us on that end.

[kg01]

14 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Trae is not a lazy defender. He was instructed in Oklahoma to literally not play any defense because they couldn't risk him getting fouls. he has no defensive background whatsoever and is having to learn the hard way at the NBA level.

Trae is too small without the explosive quickness and lateral ability to ever be a great defensive PG. The most he can hope for IMO is to be an average defender at his position. 

I think he can be a Korver.  Just a guy who knows where to be on defense, what to do.  That's not out of the realm of possibility.

He ain't gon' be Gary Payton out there but, then again, who is circa 2020?

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I think he can be a Korver.  Just a guy who knows where to be on defense, what to do.  That's not out of the realm of possibility.

He ain't gon' be Gary Payton out there but, then again, who is circa 2020?

This is really what I want from Trae. 

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

18 hours ago, KB21 said:

An example of a garbage/empty stats guy is Andrew Wiggins.  He's essentially been a net negative player when it comes to doing things that help teams win for his entire career now.  

Devin Booker is another guy to put on that list.