De'Andre Hunter

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

If they don't or continue to under perform expectations will you at least consider coaching might be a problem or blame them like the rest of the Hawk squawk mob?

You realize that Cam was injured and then improved dramatically in 2020, right?  I couldn’t have been much happier with his rookie year.

Hunter was expected to struggle some as he had to adjust moving from PF to the wing for most of his minutes.  Very few guys bust out while making that position change.  If he doesn’t improve then we can assign blame as appropriate (TS for thinking he was something he wasn’t; LP for not coaching him up; Hunter for not trying or just not being that good; some combination, etc.)

Bruno had a fine year and fine numbers for a second round pick.  Finished #22 in WS/48 despite being the 34th pick.  He was never projected top 10 nor should he have been picked there or been expected to perform at that level with great coaching.

[Gray Mule]

38 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

If they don't or continue to under perform expectations will you at least consider coaching might be a problem or blame them like the rest of the Hawk squawk mob?

Yes!

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Gray Mule said:

Yes!

1 down, 50 more to go!

[AHF]

11 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

1 down, 50 more to go!

LP still has everything to prove.  I’m just not bashing him for coaching a bad roster or for things he doesn’t control.  If the team flops next year, it is hard to see a scenario where he shouldn’t be blamed.  But I’m not bashing him for lineups starting Damian Jones, Jabari Parker, etc.  Had some garbage vets last year.

[Peoriabird]

54 minutes ago, AHF said:

LP still has everything to prove.  I’m just not bashing him for coaching a bad roster or for things he doesn’t control.  If the team flops next year, it is hard to see a scenario where he shouldn’t be blamed.  But I’m not bashing him for lineups starting Damian Jones, Jabari Parker, etc.  Had some garbage vets last year.

I know you can't see it yet.  For some people, things have to be painfully obvious before they can see it.  People still think Dan Quinn is a good coach so I won't hold this against you.

[JTB]

10 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

I know you can't see it yet.  For some people, things have to be painfully obvious before they can see it.  People still think Dan Quinn is a good coach so I won't hold this against you.

REALITY CHECK:

... we all see it but not going about what we think should or will happen in the same views you do.

WE all knew Schlenk would not fire pierce until Pierce is given a chance with what the Hawks front office considers a better roster.  Not what we think is a better roster as fans but the front office. The owners have made it clear they want to see the hawks in the playoffs next season.

at the same time clearly Resseler is also not just putting pressure but also giving Schlenk an opportunity to really impress and come through with a solid overall roster this offseason so we can compete for the playoffs and scrap the “lets take on bad deals for assets mindset”. Therefore it’s not all on Pierce even if you can’t see that.
 

SPEAKING FOR THE SQUAWK :

I can speak on behalf of the squawk on this one and say....NO ONE IS OVERJOYED WITH PIERCE as if he’s the next Pop, Zen Master, Jerry Sloan HOF type coach. That also doesn’t mean he’s hated as expectations weren’t through the roof when he got here for majority of us. NO ONE will be shocked if Pierce is fired or in your case when he’s fired. So you can stop the “I told you so’s” now...you’re not telling us something the majority of us don’t already see as a high possibility of pierce getting canned. I personally have even said it’s very possible Pierce is fired within the first two months of next season if expectations are not met record wise or in your case when they won’t be met and folks on this board have agreed with that statement because well it’s obvious.
 

PEO POLL:
 I think we need to do a Pierce poll just for you because you seem to think those of us on the squawk are extremely high in Pierce to where we are blind

 

HOW MOST OF US SEE PIERCE:

....really we just want to see this young black coach succeed with a young roster here in ATL that’s it. Not to bring race into it but it does play factor in rooting pierce on. Nothing wrong with rooting and cheering for someone to get better at something especially if they are here and we as fans can’t fire him or pick the next coach. Trust me when I say most here at the squawk know he has flaws, bad lineups, substitutions, etc...WE just hope he’s learned and built from all of those mistakes as he goes into JUST year 3 of head coaching in  the best professional basketball league in the world.

QUICK FALCONS TALK:

...oh and I don’t know what falcon fans you talk to but other than the Super Bowl year I’ve not seen many fans embrace Quinn as a matter of fact most knew he was riding the coattails of Shanahans offense  and been trying to continue that since Kyle left, keeping and forcing Shanahans playbook on the next OC that walk through the door. I follow the Falcons just as much as the Hawks (assuming you do as well)....folks been wanted Quinn out and most want Gary Kubiak to come run the team if it were up to majority  falcon fans. Mike smith had more love than Quinn overall and he didn’t make it to the big game while coaching here. Even before Quinn got hired most falcon fans wanted Rex Ryan over Quinn during that coaching  search. Folks been screaming for Quinn and Dimitrioff to get fired for a while now. 
 

BY ALL MEANS....

At the end of the day voice your opinions I’m sure you still will but no one is going to give you props for ranting on Pierce or saying he will be fired as it’s already an obvious high possibility. To make matters worse you keep saying “we think Pierce is good” but I’ve not seen one poster here on the squawk reference pierce as good. Pierce is a work in progress head coach . You’re only good when you’ve already proven it but to be considered good you have to prove it and with that every coach has to start somewhere to get to such a status.

[AHF]

3 hours ago, JTB said:

 

WE all knew Schlenk would not fire pierce until Pierce is given a chance with what the Hawks front office considers a better roster.  Not what we think is a better roster as fans but the front office. The owners have made it clear they want to see the hawks in the playoffs next season.

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The Hawks met expectations last year believe it or not.  The team with JC and with an unwarranted belief that the vets would be real contributors was expected to win at a 36.5% clip.  With JC missing almost 40% of the season, several other injuries and a spirited rivalry among our vets to see who could be the biggest dumpster fire, we won 30% of our games. Given the missed time from JC alone that is on par. 
 

When he is given a team that is expected to have a winning record (hopefully next year) will be his first.  It is also when the pressure will dramatically damp up.

I’ve said it before but I think next year is the “up or out” season for LP.  

[Carmine]

LP has been great developing our players. If we don't make the playoffs this year he's probably on the hot seat. I'm cool with giving him a full term (4 years) before making any decisions to retain or move from Pierce.  Were still on track in Schlenk's timeline. Shaking things up too early & making major changes will lessen the Hawks routine/structure. As younger players benefit from consistency, this won't bode well for their development.

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Carmine said:

LP has been great developing our players. If we don't make the playoffs this year he's probably on the hot seat. I'm cool with giving him a full term (4 years) before making any decisions to retain or move from Pierce.  Were still on track in Schlenk's timeline. Shaking things up too early & making major changes will lessen the Hawks routine/structure. As younger players benefit from consistency, this won't bode well for their development.

Fair point.  Franchises that churn through coaches are losers.  On the other hand, if you have the wrong guy you don’t do yourselves favors by holding too long.  That is why I am so eager to see how LP and the Hawks do this year.  TS owes everyone a much deeper, more productive roster.

[JayBirdHawk]

3 hours ago, JTB said:

REALITY CHECK:

... we all see it but not going about what we think should or will happen in the same views you do.

.....as noted in any of these threads. Just like our players, coach is also a work in progress.

 

 

 

 

[Peoriabird]

Why waste time with a below average coach who is obviously over his head? I guess this is what Atlanta sports teams do. I don't have time to waste like some you. If you can't see that Pierce doesn't  have that it factor or you are satisfied with mediocrity then I do know what to tell you except enjoy your loses to Cleveland, Chicago and New York!

[kg01]

Keep shaking your fist at that cloud, sir.

We're well past 'get over it' time.

[Gray Mule]

All of us who are Hawk fans believe, if they do not begin to win, their coaches will be in trouble.

All of us who are Falcon fans, know.

Hawks are still in their growing season.  We all expect and hope to see improvement with both the roster and the coaching staff.  If the Hawks don't improve, the owners, the coaches and players are all expected to be held accountable.

[Peoriabird]

10 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

All of us who are Hawk fans believe, if they do not begin to win, their coaches will be in trouble.

All of us who are Falcon fans, know.

Hawks are still in their growing season.  We all expect and hope to see improvement with both the roster and the coaching staff.  If the Hawks don't improve, the owners, the coaches and players are all expected to be held accountable.

We've waited 3 years so why not throw away another year.

[AHF]

42 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

We've wait 3 years so why not throw away another year.

We really threw away so many good years.  Remember how amazing that last team was before we decided to rebuild?  That combination of struggling to hit .500 along with being vastly over the cap once they signed their new deals would have been really exciting to watch.  Plus we've seen how much better Kent Bazemore, Paul Millsap, Dwight Howard, Kyle Korver, THJr, Thabo, Moose and the rest of the bunch have gotten over the years. 

Some would call them superstars but I'd just call them All-NBA.  Probably just a personal preference.  If only we hadn't thrown away that glorious potential to have to sit and watch Trae, JC, Reddish, Capela, Hunter, et al. next year.  Bleh.  I'd trade Trae and JC straight up for Dennis and Sap today.  Like don't wait for the phone to finish ringing.  Maybe we could get Timmy and Dwight for Reddish and Capela.   Maybe Baze and Kyle for Hunter and Bruno.  Ah, to dream of what should have been.

[kg01]

Cmon AH.  That group was on the verge, bro.

Hey, if he believes it, it's technically not a lie ... right?

 Give me Kyle or give me death, kg.

 Hawkwaaard ....

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Cmon AH.  That group was on the verge, bro.

Totes.  They were only outscored by 70 that season and with most of the roster aging and getting big pay raises you know that means better things to come.  I mean, Dwight is going to carry the Lakers to a ring.  If we hadn't thrown that team away, he could be carrying us to a ring this year. :sad face:

[Gray Mule]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

We've wait 3 years so why not throw away another year.

Ah, my good friend.  Hawks are not throwing away another season.

There is a huge difference between growing better and better and throwing everything away.   If you have children or know a lot about children, they do not walk before they crawl.  The do not talk and reason like adults as tots.

This Hawk team has endured the growing pains.  They aren't there.  Not yet.  But, the more time passes the closer they get.  I know.  You and I want them to win and win now.  Our patience wears thin.

I believe our Hawks will be much improved and make the playoffs.  

[Peoriabird]

2 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

Ah, my good friend.  Hawks are not throwing away another season.

There is a huge difference between growing better and better and throwing everything away.   If you have children or know a lot about children, they do not walk before they crawl.  The do not talk and reason like adults as tots.

This Hawk team has endured the growing pains.  They aren't there.  Not yet.  But, the more time passes the closer they get.  I know.  You and I want them to win and win now.  Our patience wears thin.

I believe our Hawks will be much improved and make the playoffs.  

Where is the growth?  They all look the same to me except Trae hits more of those bad shots he takes.  This team has the same defensive problems they've had since LP took over and his dumb line ups struggle to rebound.  But like I said...I see already and it may take time but y'all will eventually see it also.

[terrell]

30 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Where is the growth?  They all look the same to me except Trae hits more of those bad shots he takes.  This team has the same defensive problems they've had since LP took over and his dumb line ups struggle to rebound.  But like I said...I see already and it may take time but y'all will eventually see it also.

Fire him now and hire D'Antoni? You happy?