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My new Big board update. Tier 3.5: Decent Role player potential with All-Star possibilities down the road. I do see these guys as Day 1 contributors to a degree. 1t. LaMelo Ball - Low floor

Horford >> Toppin   (In before Supes)

This is one of those drafts where i'm glad we got some experts figuring it out.  I mean I got us Trae, it's time for Travis to do some work.

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4 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Can I tell you something? You can believe me or not, I knew Scurry was the best player in that draft. Personally I had pegged Blake as a bust. I didn’t think Harden would excel like he did. 
 

But Curry, I knew it. As a Warrior hater at the time, I was rooting for the Suns to trade Amare to the Warriors for Curry as it was a rumor at the time. Didn’t happen. 😞 

 

I agree there could be players in this draft, we need to hit it otherwise the bust chances may be high in this draft.

Or going to the Knicks.

With the Knicks Curry would have set the world on fire in that market and possibly have been bigger than LeBron or Durant marketing wise.

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Just now, Spud2nique said:

Can I tell you something? You can believe me or not, I knew Scurry was the best player in that draft. Personally I had pegged Blake as a bust. I didn’t think Harden would excel like he did. 
 

But Curry, I knew it. As a Warrior hater at the time, I was rooting for the Suns to trade Amare to the Warriors for Curry as it was a rumor at the time. Didn’t happen. 😞 

 

I agree there could be players in this draft, we need to hit it otherwise the bust chances may be high in this draft.

Obi Toppin is the player I think could be a superstar but I also think he is just a role player as well. He got a 7.5/8.5 which is extremely good. 7.5 is very hard to get from me. Last year, only four players had 7.5 or higher. Zion had the extremely rare 8. Ja and Hunter had a 7.5. R.J. as a prospect had it but dropped when he got drafted to the Knicks to a 7. Hunter underperformed to a degree as did R.J. but Ja and Zion been better than advised. Ja is now a 8.5 which is freakish at this stage of his rookie year. Zion is as well.

Not sure what Obi will do but he's the one I am watching closely. 

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5 minutes ago, Buzzard said:

With the Knicks Curry would have set the world on fire in that market and possibly have been bigger than LeBron or Durant marketing wise.

🤣 please tell you are kidding. A second coming of Jordan wouldn’t have fixed the Knicks. They would have gotten Curry and fumbled building around him and he would have probably left after a few years.

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4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Obi Toppin is the player I think could be a superstar but I also think he is just a role player as well. He got a 7.5/8.5 which is extremely good. 7.5 is very hard to get from me. Last year, only four players had 7.5 or higher. Zion had the extremely rare 8. Ja and Hunter had a 7.5. R.J. as a prospect had it but dropped when he got drafted to the Knicks to a 7. Hunter underperformed to a degree as did R.J. but Ja and Zion been better than advised. Ja is now a 8.5 which is freakish at this stage of his rookie year. Zion is as well.

Not sure what Obi will do but he's the one I am watching closely. 

I need to see more Toppin clips of him not finishing. We know he can finish and finish well. I wanna see the jumpers, the threes, the passing and boarding. He is crazy powerful though and quick. Reminds me a lot of our JC.

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3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

🤣 please tell you are kidding. A second coming of Jordan wouldn’t have fixed the Knicks. They would have gotten Curry and fumbled building around him and he would have probably left after a few years.

The Knicks would have gave him the keys to Manhattan or fumbled as you say; trading him after his 2nd ankle injury to get Jamal Crawford back.

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On a side note,

Has anyone else noticed that we all argue with each other taking different sides each time. Sometimes we even defend the point we were against just a few days before it. 😆 

 

We are all the same person.. :ph34r:

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41 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Same for Draymond Green. 

Would Draymond have made it with us? See with him, I think he had a better chance to turn our franchise around than Curry. It’s crazy but I’m telling y’all Draymond brought that team together. To me, he might be their real MVP and I despise the guy....

 

We had him in for a couple workouts, man oh man. He would have joined a young Teague, JJ, Horford club. 

 

Thats why I want Trez. I see the leadership (3/4 of it at least) in Trez. This dude may not be as good as Draymond but when you watch the games, he wills his team to wins with situational buckets n boards that directly impacting winning and losing.

Trez isn’t gonna get punked by anyone and he would bring a new kind of fear to our opponents.

 

TREZ 4 PREZ!!!!  :biggrin:

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16 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

On a side note,

Has anyone else noticed that we all argue with each other taking different sides each time. Sometimes we even defend the point we were against just a few days before it. 😆 

 

We are all the same person.. :ph34r:

Its your split personality that sees it that way. I never change my mind 🤣

I still want a point guard or wing out of this draft. Does not mean I will get what I want but at least we have the luxury of truly chasing BPA.

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56 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I need to see more Toppin clips of him not finishing. We know he can finish and finish well. I wanna see the jumpers, the threes, the passing and boarding. He is crazy powerful though and quick. Reminds me a lot of our JC.

He has a lot of JC in his game. The movement specialist ability but he has a lot more in his bag as well. Its just that JC is a pro who's more polished at one he does. Toppin is more fundamentally sound, better natural feel for the game, higher BBIQ. JC is a much better rebounder, much stronger, and is a much better shooter, ATM. I strongly think he is a much better scorer than JC is even if JC has a bigger scoring mentality. JC is limited in how he can score which is mainly PnP, PnR, and movement. 

Toppin can score faceup, back to the basket on pure explosiveness, off the dribble, DHO, as well as PnR, PnP, and movement. He will remind a lot of people of Amare based on his movements, explosiveness and finishing ability. To me, I see a lot of C.Webb, I think his playmaking can be Bam Adebayo good and better. That's his swing skill for me even if he is already good at it. His shooting will be good but I don't see him being a great shooter down the road. Just a good reliable one. 

 

On his shooting: One of his biggest improvements stats-wise this season is that he quadrupled the number of 3-point attempts (82) and made them at an efficient rate (39 percent). That’s not a huge sample size, but combined with shooting 70 percent at the line and also shooting over 40 percent on mid-range 2-point jumpers in each of his two seasons on roughly 200 attempts (according to barttorvik.com), it’s easy to project Obi as, say, a 34-36 percent 3-point shooter, with upside beyond that.

52 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Would Draymond have made it with us? See with him, I think he had a better chance to turn our franchise around than Curry. It’s crazy but I’m telling y’all Draymond brought that team together. To me, he might be their real MVP and I despise the guy....

 

We had him in for a couple workouts, man oh man. He would have joined a young Teague, JJ, Horford club. 

 

Thats why I want Trez. I see the leadership (3/4 of it at least) in Trez. This dude may not be as good as Draymond but when you watch the games, he wills his team to wins with situational buckets n boards that directly impacting winning and losing.

Trez isn’t gonna get punked by anyone and he would bring a new kind of fear to our opponents.

 

TREZ 4 PREZ!!!!  :biggrin:

I want Trez too. 

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7 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He has a lot of JC in his game. The movement specialist ability but he has a lot more in his bag as well. Its just that JC is a pro who's more polished at one he does. Toppin is more fundamentally sound, better natural feel for the game, higher BBIQ. JC is a much better rebounder, much stronger, and is a much better shooter, ATM. I strongly think he is a much better scorer than JC is even if JC has a bigger scoring mentality. JC is limited in how he can score which is mainly PnP, PnR, and movement. 

Toppin can score faceup, back to the basket on pure explosiveness, off the dribble, DHO, as well as PnR, PnP, and movement. He will remind a lot of people of Amare based on his movements, explosiveness and finishing ability. To me, I see a lot of C.Webb, I think his playmaking can be Bam Adebayo good and better. That's his swing skill for me even if he is already good at it. His shooting will be good but I don't see him being a great shooter down the road. Just a good reliable one. 

 

On his shooting: One of his biggest improvements stats-wise this season is that he quadrupled the number of 3-point attempts (82) and made them at an efficient rate (39 percent). That’s not a huge sample size, but combined with shooting 70 percent at the line and also shooting over 40 percent on mid-range 2-point jumpers in each of his two seasons on roughly 200 attempts (according to barttorvik.com), it’s easy to project Obi as, say, a 34-36 percent 3-point shooter, with upside beyond that.

I want Trez too. 

Do you think Toppin is a swing forward and can swing over to the 3 to get some minutes?

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2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Do you think Toppin is a swing forward and can swing over to the 3 to get some minutes?

Not really. Even though he does feel comfortable defending on the perimeter and is a defensive playmaker, his lateral quickness is ass like John's. The fact that he was a small guard till his Senior year really gives him an edge over a lot of bigs who's been tall since middle school 

Even though he's a stronger offensive player than John due to his butt, John is a stronger defensive player due to his core and strength overall. That's why John can spot at the 5 better than some of our current centers. Obi simply can't do that. He's defensively position locked like Trae.

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6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Not really. Even though he does feel comfortable defending on the perimeter and is a defensive playmaker, his lateral quickness is ass like John's. The fact that he was a small guard till his Senior year really gives him an edge over a lot of bigs who's been tall since middle school 

Even though he's a stronger offensive player than John due to his butt, John is a stronger defensive player due to his core and strength overall. That's why John can spot at the 5 better than some of our current centers. Obi simply can't do that. He's defensively position locked like Trae.

That's too bad but offensively he could do it right?  Plus not all back up threes are studs so how good does he have to be against Treveon Graham?

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1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

That's too bad but offensively he could do it right?  Plus not all back up threes are studs so how good does he have to be against Treveon Graham?

He moves a lot like Amare. You can spot him there but his best offensive value is a modern 4 which he is to a T. I guess you can have splits with Hunter who can do it but cover the 3 on D.

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4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He moves a lot like Amare. You can spot him there but his best offensive value is a modern 4 which he is to a T. I guess you can have splits with Hunter who can do it but cover the 3 on D.

I'm just trying to figure out how he would get minutes on the Hawks's team.

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6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

I like cherries.

Fixed that for you:

6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

2009 was presumed to be a weak draft after the Blake Griffin pick. Washington was like, let's get some vets. Traded their pick to MIN for Mike Miller. Who could they have drafted

Johnny Flynn

Jordan Hill

Brandon Jennings

Terrence Williams

Gerald Henderson

Tyler Hansborough

Earl Clark

Austin Daye

 

So in hindsight, would you do that deal again? 

 

Why, in 2020, are NBA fans still allowed to get away with cherry-picking draft selections? If you're gonna talk about the hits, you've also gotta factor in the misses.

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12 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Fixed that for you:

Why, in 2020, are NBA fans still allowed to get away with cherry-picking draft selections? If you're gonna talk about the hits, you've also gotta factor in the misses.

How is that a fix? They had the option to take a superstar or multiple stars and past it up to draft Mike Miller. You might be of the mindset that Mike Miller is better than Johnny Flynn but at one point Ferry was of the mindset that Bebe and Dennis was better in a package than just having Giannis. 

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4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

How is that a fix? They had the option to take a superstar or multiple stars and past it up to draft Mike Miller. You might be of the mindset that Mike Miller is better than Johnny Flynn but at one point Ferry was of the mindset that Bebe and Dennis was better in a package than just having Giannis. 

I think it is pretty obvious that the draft comes with upside and risk.  The good news from my perspective is that certain GMs are better at identifying working talent than others.  TS has been very good so far so I put more value on draft picks under him than I would someone like Pete Babcock.  

There are definitely trades that make sense but I'd rather land solid veterans in FA than use our last (hopefully) lottery pick.  If we trade the pick, I want a high upside player coming back.

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hace 5 horas, NBASupes dijo:

100%. We still need at least two high end backups who can spot start. 

Here are the keepers

Trae

Cam

Hunter

John

Kevin

Clint

Dedmon

 

Add a top 10 pick

And two to three high quality vets.

And two to three vets who are NBA level 3rd stringers

 

That has been my statement since December, I am still at the Christian Wood, Ibaka, Bertans, Crowder, Joe Harris, Bogdanovic, Korkmaz Train. Playoff should be achieved by adding 2-3 players of that list to the existing core and a top pick. I would not delete from the keepers Skal, Bruno, Teague and Graham, not my favorite players but they can play, I am ready to move from those if we are able to add players from that list but still would keep Bruno and Skal, I think Skal could flourish here.

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1 hour ago, gurpilo said:

That has been my statement since December, I am still at the Christian Wood, Ibaka, Bertans, Crowder, Joe Harris, Bogdanovic, Korkmaz Train. Playoff should be achieved by adding 2-3 players of that list to the existing core and a top pick. I would not delete from the keepers Skal, Bruno, Teague and Graham, not my favorite players but they can play, I am ready to move from those if we are able to add players from that list but still would keep Bruno and Skal, I think Skal could flourish here.

Wood and Harrell are rumored to be in the Knicks spotlights. I think Detroit could pay Wood now that they have eased up their cap; thanks to the Cavaliers taking on Drummond. Drummond has gone really quiet on the talk of opting out and it looks like the Cavs may be stuck with him at 28.7M for one more year.

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Andre Drummond said he is unsure if he will exercise his player option for the 2020-21 season. 

Link: https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/player/29809/andre-drummond

It looks like it will be Harrell and Wood as the two bigs commanding Charlotte and New York's attention. A small bidding war, with Detroit trying to keep Wood, could work out pretty well for both players.

 

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