Let's Talk Draft Picks

[Spud2nique]

39 minutes ago, hazer said:

Agreed, if Hawks keep the pick and its top 5, trade back and take The 'Gwu. Has that tenacious D and wingspan Hawks badly need, shoots 72% from the stripe so nuttin' but a thang for Jent. Would make an ideal backup 4, and a lot cheaper than Trez. 

1st time going on record this year: my preference for Hawks' pick is The 'Gwu

Indeed. We need to be built tough. It’s like we have all the pretty pieces like the NFL team like the QB in Trae the wideout in Cam the D back in Hunter the kicker in Huerter ( sorry he’s the closest Swedish looking guy)and the linebacker in JC. We need OL and DL. 
 

AYYYYYEEEE @kg01 gimme your friends list of bodyguards I’m starting up a cloob (club)! I want GIRTH AND POWER AND POWER AND GIRTH!!!! 
 

ps @kg01 and @hazer (the same person..what’s it like to have a burner ) seriously we want a wall!

FA target: TREZ

Draft target: GWU

[TheFuzz]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Indeed. We need to be built tough. It’s like we have all the pretty pieces like the NFL team like the QB in Trae the wideout in Cam the D back in Hunter the kicker in Huerter ( sorry he’s the closest Swedish looking guy)and the linebacker in JC. We need OL and DL. 
 

AYYYYYEEEE @kg01 gimme your friends list of bodyguards I’m starting up a cloob (club)! I want GIRTH AND POWER AND POWER AND GIRTH!!!! 
 

ps @kg01 and @hazer (the same person..what’s it like to have a burner ) seriously we want a wall!

FA target: TREZ

Draft target: GWU

Lol on Swedish looking guy. How about we just draft Okungwu so I don't have to worry about Trez.

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Indeed. We need to be built tough. It’s like we have all the pretty pieces like the NFL team like the QB in Trae the wideout in Cam the D back in Hunter the kicker in Huerter ( sorry he’s the closest Swedish looking guy)and the linebacker in JC. We need OL and DL. 
 

AYYYYYEEEE @kg01 gimme your friends list of bodyguards I’m starting up a cloob (club)! I want GIRTH AND POWER AND POWER AND GIRTH!!!! 
 

ps @kg01 and @hazer (the same person..what’s it like to have a burner ) seriously we want a wall!

FA target: TREZ

Draft target: GWU

We were 25th in offensive rating and 28th in defensive rating this season. We need a lot of help in all areas of play. Because of this, Schlenk can take BPA.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

Scouts said the same thing about Collins coming out.  He'll be fine!

But you see that Supes wanna get rid of Collins because of his defense...why draft another similar player?

[NBASupes]

8 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

But you see that Supes wanna get rid of Collins because of his defense...why draft another similar player?

Partly true but not really. I want to get rid of John because of his contract demands and his lack of impact for the demands of his contract. 

Why I would take Obi is he's a superior talent offensively who fits Capela on both ends while John likely won't. 

John needs a Steven Adams type. High IQ defender who communicates extremely well and can cover for John mentally. 

Obi has great mental on both ends. His issue on defense is he needs someone to protect his mistakes due to his lack of lateral quickness and risk taking for playmaking similar to Harden on defense.

On offense, Obi is extremely versatile can plays all over the floor on offense like KAT. John for the most part is moving but he always is around the rim which guess who is always around the rim, you guessed it, Clint. 

For Trae, both players will be a great fit offensively but Obi fits the others a lot more. His playmaking talent is good and has the potential to be elite for a big. Could limit our need for Cam or Hunter to do it.

I think Obi is the best fit in the draft for us offensively by a mile. Defensively, he fits Clint although him and Trae will be a challenge both short and long term. 

[Peoriabird]

43 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

But you see that Supes wanna get rid of Collins because of his defense...why draft another similar player?

John's defense is not as bad as his detractor make it out to be. His defensive rating wasn't much different than Harrell's and Harrell is a back playing against  the other team's bench players

[Buzzard]

19 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Partly true but not really. I want to get rid of John because of his contract demands and his lack of impact for the demands of his contract. 

Why I would take Obi is he's a superior talent offensively who fits Capela on both ends while John likely won't. 

John needs a Steven Adams type. High IQ defender who communicates extremely well and can cover for John mentally. 

Obi has great mental on both ends. His issue on defense is he needs someone to protect his mistakes due to his lack of lateral quickness and risk taking for playmaking similar to Harden on defense.

On offense, Obi is extremely versatile can plays all over the floor on offense like KAT. John for the most part is moving but he always is around the rim which guess who is always around the rim, you guessed it, Clint. 

For Trae, both players will be a great fit offensively but Obi fits the others a lot more. His playmaking talent is good and has the potential to be elite for a big. Could limit our need for Cam or Hunter to do it.

I think Obi is the best fit in the draft for us offensively by a mile. Defensively, he fits Clint although him and Trae will be a challenge both short and long term. 

You really need to get off this soap box about Toppin being Curry to Collins being Korver. I like Toppin's fit because he brings the potential to be a stretch four coming off the bench. We also need some defensive pressure on our bench as well. Avdija, Haliburton, Okoro, Wiseman could all be possible good defensive fits.

I like this class for us taking one pick and that pick helping out coming off the bench in his first year.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, TheFuzz said:

Collins and Toppin are the same age, and it's not like Toppin was playing great competition. Toppin shows FLASHES of passing, he's hit threes on low volume and he's shown ok footwork playing against folks who won't sniff a professional league.

Collins just dropped 20/10 on 65% TS in the NBA. Toppin is a hall of famer if he's THAT much better than Collins. Collins deserves more respect around here.

This is one of the concerns:

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Keeping perspective here is important—he’s a gifted offensive player, and a lot of what he does should translate, but he also dominated in a league where few teams could effectively counter his athleticism or take advantage of his weaknesses defensively. 

 

[kg01]

Everyone says toppin is bad defensively.   Personally, I can't definitively say he's not Derrick William's or Thomas Robinson.

[NBASupes]

14 minutes ago, Buzzard said:

You really need to get off this soap box about Toppin being Curry to Collins being Korver. I like Toppin's fit because he brings the potential to be a stretch four coming off the bench. We also need some defensive pressure on our bench as well. Avdija, Haliburton, Okoro, Wiseman could all be possible good defensive fits.

I like this class for us taking one pick and that pick helping out coming off the bench in his first year.

Toppin is going to be an offensive monster in the league regardless where he goes. Defensively, yeah, not so much. John limited man but wants to be paid like a max cat, I have zero interest in that. Guys like him, Zack LaVine, Aaron Gordon to me aren't it for me. This generation impact version of Josh Smith, Ben Gordon, and Al Jefferson. You might love it and convinced about it but not me. Ya'll always eventually come around on the shit I see years early anyway.

[TheFuzz]

11 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Everyone says toppin is bad defensively.   Personally, I can't definitively say he's not Derrick William's or Thomas Robinson.

I think Toppin has more skill than Robinson, but his concerns are big

[TheFuzz]

Just now, NBASupes said:

Toppin is going to be an offensive monster in the league regardless where he goes. Defensively, yeah, not so much. John limited man but wants to be paid like a max cat, I have zero interest in that. Guys like him, Zack LaVine, Aaron Gordon to me aren't it for me. This generation impact version of Josh Smith, Ben Gordon, and Al Jefferson. You might love it and convinced about it but not me. Ya'll always eventually come around on the shit I see years early anyway.

Like Schröder having superstar potential ? I do see that concern with Collins, don't think he's a max dude. Massively disagree on Toppin

[JayBirdHawk]

12 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Toppin is going to be an offensive monster in the league regardless where he goes. Defensively, yeah, not so much. John limited man but wants to be paid like a max cat, I have zero interest in that. Guys like him, Zack LaVine, Aaron Gordon to me aren't it for me. This generation impact version of Josh Smith, Ben Gordon, and Al Jefferson. You might love it and convinced about it but not me. Ya'll always eventually come around on the shit I see years early anyway.

Dennis, Bebe, Edy, OJ Mayo, Bagley...need I go on.

Collins may think he's worth a max but he also understands he may not get one;

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For his part, Collins thinks he could be in the conversation for a max deal, and he’d rather figure out his contract situation sooner rather than later. 

“When we’re talking max numbers and money, I feel like I definitely (am in) the conversation to have earned that money with the Hawks specifically, but obviously I know there’s business and we don’t always get exactly what we want,” Collins said. “But I want to be a Hawk, I want to stay with the Hawks

You seem to letting JC's ask of a max contract cloud his NBA skills.

And FTR, there isn't anyone here who thinks he's getting a max.

[NBASupes]

25 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Everyone says toppin is bad defensively.   Personally, I can't definitively say he's not Derrick William's or Thomas Robinson.

Because he is bad defensively. He got defensive playmaking potential and his defensive BBIQ is good which is why his defensive advanced metrics look solid but in the NBA, his defense lacks versatility, he's position locked and not even John is defensively position locked, and he just doesn't have the body to really move laterally like Amar'e or defend bigger players like like Amar'e. 

He's the PF version of KAT but way more polished as a prospect. Not quite the post up player but a better passer with elite playmaking potential. 

Give or take it for what it is.

 

Saying he is like Derrick Williams is like saying Trae is like Jimmer Ferdette or Trey Burke. Superior talent, Basketball player and BBIQ. Not to mention, he's also a movement specialist like JC. He's in a league of his own offensively. 8.5 as a prospect on offense is right there with Morant. 

Edited May 14, 2020 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Dennis, Bebe, Edy, OJ Mayo, Bagley...need I go on.

Giannis, Cam, Luka, KAT, Ayton, Trae, Steph, etc. I wanted a lot of players. How many did I think would actually be superstars is slim. 

Did I ever think Dennis, Bebe, or Edy would be stars much less superstars?

Bagley is my guy. Injuries have plague his career so far but only time will tell. He can be a superstar in this league but he gotta stay healthy. 

[TheFuzz]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Did I ever think Dennis ... would be stars much less superstars?

yes

I respect ya Supes but I try to keep it real

Edited May 14, 2020 by TheFuzz

[NBASupes]

29 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This is one of the concerns:

 

We heard this with Steph, Ja, Damian and they played against lesser opponents than Toppin. Obi been productive no matter the opponent. A-10 bigs can defend as well as anyone. Their offense is more limited than the big conferences but Obi dominated everyone equally. 

 

2 minutes ago, TheFuzz said:

yes

I respect ya Supes but I try to keep it real

Prove it! 

[TheFuzz]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

We heard this with Steph, Ja, Damian and they played against lesser opponents than Toppin. Obi been productive no matter the opponent. A-10 bigs can defend as well as anyone. Their offense is more limited than the big conferences but Obi dominated everyone equally. 

 

Prove it! 

How's the search feature on this thing?

[NBASupes]

Just now, TheFuzz said:

How's the search feature on this thing?

Yes, there is. I always use it too. I know what I post and what i say. That's why its impossible to put words in my mouth

[Spud2nique]

15 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Not to mention, he's also a movement specialist like JC.

Can Obi and JC thrive together? Aka does redundancy work in the NBA these days? Toppin can finish around the rim no doubt and is eerily close to Amare in body type (less defined) shoulders and traps the same and same power game.

Hows his passing?

Edited May 14, 2020 by Spud2nique