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1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

Schlenk is a skill guy for sure. I bet some teams had Trae completely off their board based on length alone.

Yep. I swear players with shorter arms are better shooters. lol

Just now, terrell said:

Yep. I swear players with shorter arms are better shooters. lol

But their defense might be suspect..lol..UNLESS youre Jimmy Butler..

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My new Big board update. Tier 3.5: Decent Role player potential with All-Star possibilities down the road. I do see these guys as Day 1 contributors to a degree. 1t. LaMelo Ball - Low floor

This is one of those drafts where i'm glad we got some experts figuring it out.  I mean I got us Trae, it's time for Travis to do some work.

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3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Two things that are facts. Kentucky hiding their prospects abilities and Duke not developing shit. Tyler Herro and Cam Reddish should have been top 10 picks. Tyler Herro is like a modern Mark Price

The bolded is wrong.  The rest is right. 

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13 hours ago, terrell said:

I doubt Schlenk even looked at Herro being 6'6 witha 6'3 wingspan. He probably wanted length around Trae..But yeah. Herro can ball..

No, he wanted defense around Trae.  Thank God for Miami's zone that Boston is unabale to solve.

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1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No, he wanted defense around Trae.  Thank God for Miami's zone that Boston is unabale to solve.

Thats what I meant..Length and defense go hand in hand..Short armed players usually aren't good defenders..

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15 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Two things that are facts. Kentucky hiding their prospects abilities and Duke not developing shit. Tyler Herro and Cam Reddish should have been top 10 picks. Tyler Herro is like a modern Mark Price

Cam went top 10..

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On 9/23/2020 at 10:57 PM, terrell said:

He obviously likes skill and BBIQ to because Trae Huerter and Collins have no length at all..

"too"

Dribble, pass, and shoot are his three main criteria, but looking at John Collins in particular, there are indicators that he looks for that suggest to him one of these three are possible for the player.  

I'd be convinced that they would draft Okoro if his shooting indicators weren't so poor, and I'm curious to see if they believe he will shoot.  Most of the prospects that Atlanta will be looking at are extremely flawed.

The guy with the best indicators for the Hawks is Okongwu.

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5 hours ago, KB21 said:

Dribble, pass, and shoot are his three main criteria, but looking at John Collins in particular, there are indicators that he looks for that suggest to him one of these three are possible for the player.  

I'd be convinced that they would draft Okoro if his shooting indicators weren't so poor, and I'm curious to see if they believe he will shoot.  Most of the prospects that Atlanta will be looking at are extremely flawed.

The guy with the best indicators for the Hawks is Okongwu.

I wouldnt mind Okungwu at all.....

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If I had to do a mock draft, no trades based on what I am hearing:

1. Ball

2. Deni

3. The hardest one, Charlotte hasn't let the cat out the hat. I'll say Edwards but I am not sure. 

4. Hayes

5. Okoro

6. Toppin

7. Haliburton

8. Okongwu

9. Wiseman

10. J. Smith

 

1. What you last heard was Wasserman is what others are also hearing. 

2. I am hearing is near lock. If you want Deni, you will have to jump GS. 

3. I took a guess. No clue. 

4. Chicago is leaning to draft a playmaker. 

5. Okoro is their guy but if Edwards slides...

6. Toppin is in a strange place. Atlanta likes him but they also like others. If he doesn't get drafted here, he could slide to 10 and later. This is the most up in the air room since 2018 when scouts/GMs/coaches/owners were split between JJJ/Luka/Trae/Bagley/Sexton/Bamba. This might be a trade down spot but Atlanta wants a lot to move down. I am hearing they would be okay here. I think Okoro would be their pick if available. He has the most lovers within the org. 

7. Haliburton and Hayes are their targets but if Wiseman is on the board, he would give them a serious thought. I heard Tyrese Maxey name here as well. 

8. I am hearing they like Hayes but Okongwu is a guy they like. High BBIQ, defensive versatility, and style of play really fits what Thibs wants from a big. 

9. Washington wants a big bad. I was told they considered moving up but didn't want to trade a future 1st. J. Smith is possible at this slot. 

10. PHX is a trade down candidate but I was told they like Jalen Smith. A name that's been mentioned with Smith, Kurt Thomas. Teams think he can be a modern KT. He's getting some looks even by Atlanta. 

 

Atlanta has marked off three players I've heard: 

Wiseman

Ball

Edwards

The 7 players I got Atlanta is looking at is: 

O. Toppin

Okoro

Patrick Williams

Nesmith

Vassell

Haliburton

Okongwu

 

Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Tyrese Maxey, Kira Lewis, and R.J. Hampton are all players Atlanta has targeted to a degree for looks that are mid 1st guys. 

 

I was told Atlanta is not looking to draft a center. They feel they have enough of them. I haven't gotten any leans yet but they have positive to say about all 7 guys. It's said they will be going BPA and this has nothing to do with FA either. 

Brooklyn hasn't shown much interest in giving away 19 to take on Prince contract, it's not a lock they don't won't either. So much depends on trades. They are open to the Oladipo market and that's their target guy right now. 

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11 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If I had to do a mock draft, no trades based on what I am hearing:

1. Ball

2. Deni

3. The hardest one, Charlotte hasn't let the cat out the hat. I'll say Edwards but I am not sure. 

4. Hayes

5. Okoro

6. Toppin

7. Haliburton

8. Okongwu

9. Wiseman

10. J. Smith

 

1. What you last heard was Wasserman is what others are also hearing. 

2. I am hearing is near lock. If you want Deni, you will have to jump GS. 

3. I took a guess. No clue. 

4. Chicago is leaning to draft a playmaker. 

5. Okoro is their guy but if Edwards slides...

6. Toppin is in a strange place. Atlanta likes him but they also like others. If he doesn't get drafted here, he could slide to 10 and later. This is the most up in the air room since 2018 when scouts/GMs/coaches/owners were split between JJJ/Luka/Trae/Bagley/Sexton/Bamba. This might be a trade down spot but Atlanta wants a lot to move down. I am hearing they would be okay here. I think Okoro would be their pick if available. He has the most lovers within the org. 

7. Haliburton and Hayes are their targets but if Wiseman is on the board, he would give them a serious thought. I heard Tyrese Maxey name here as well. 

8. I am hearing they like Hayes but Okongwu is a guy they like. High BBIQ, defensive versatility, and style of play really fits what Thibs wants from a big. 

9. Washington wants a big bad. I was told they considered moving up but didn't want to trade a future 1st. J. Smith is possible at this slot. 

10. PHX is a trade down candidate but I was told they like Jalen Smith. A name that's been mentioned with Smith, Kurt Thomas. Teams think he can be a modern KT. He's getting some looks even by Atlanta. 

 

Atlanta has marked off three players I've heard: 

Wiseman

Ball

Edwards

The 7 players I got Atlanta is looking at is: 

O. Toppin

Okoro

Patrick Williams

Nesmith

Vassell

Haliburton

Okongwu

 

Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Tyrese Maxey, Kira Lewis, and R.J. Hampton are all players Atlanta has targeted to a degree for looks that are mid 1st guys. 

 

I was told Atlanta is not looking to draft a center. They feel they have enough of them. I haven't gotten any leans yet but they have positive to say about all 7 guys. It's said they will be going BPA and this has nothing to do with FA either. 

Brooklyn hasn't shown much interest in giving away 19 to take on Prince contract, it's not a lock they don't won't either. So much depends on trades. They are open to the Oladipo market and that's their target guy right now. 

So Atlanta is looking at Okungwu as a PF only?

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13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If I had to do a mock draft, no trades based on what I am hearing:

1. Ball

2. Deni

3. The hardest one, Charlotte hasn't let the cat out the hat. I'll say Edwards but I am not sure. 

4. Hayes

5. Okoro

6. Toppin

7. Haliburton

8. Okongwu

9. Wiseman

10. J. Smith

 

1. What you last heard was Wasserman is what others are also hearing. 

2. I am hearing is near lock. If you want Deni, you will have to jump GS. 

3. I took a guess. No clue. 

4. Chicago is leaning to draft a playmaker. 

5. Okoro is their guy but if Edwards slides...

6. Toppin is in a strange place. Atlanta likes him but they also like others. If he doesn't get drafted here, he could slide to 10 and later. This is the most up in the air room since 2018 when scouts/GMs/coaches/owners were split between JJJ/Luka/Trae/Bagley/Sexton/Bamba. This might be a trade down spot but Atlanta wants a lot to move down. I am hearing they would be okay here. I think Okoro would be their pick if available. He has the most lovers within the org. 

7. Haliburton and Hayes are their targets but if Wiseman is on the board, he would give them a serious thought. I heard Tyrese Maxey name here as well. 

8. I am hearing they like Hayes but Okongwu is a guy they like. High BBIQ, defensive versatility, and style of play really fits what Thibs wants from a big. 

9. Washington wants a big bad. I was told they considered moving up but didn't want to trade a future 1st. J. Smith is possible at this slot. 

10. PHX is a trade down candidate but I was told they like Jalen Smith. A name that's been mentioned with Smith, Kurt Thomas. Teams think he can be a modern KT. He's getting some looks even by Atlanta. 

 

Atlanta has marked off three players I've heard: 

Wiseman

Ball

Edwards

The 7 players I got Atlanta is looking at is: 

O. Toppin

Okoro

Patrick Williams

Nesmith

Vassell

Haliburton

Okongwu

 

Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Tyrese Maxey, Kira Lewis, and R.J. Hampton are all players Atlanta has targeted to a degree for looks that are mid 1st guys. 

 

I was told Atlanta is not looking to draft a center. They feel they have enough of them. I haven't gotten any leans yet but they have positive to say about all 7 guys. It's said they will be going BPA and this has nothing to do with FA either. 

Brooklyn hasn't shown much interest in giving away 19 to take on Prince contract, it's not a lock they don't won't either. So much depends on trades. They are open to the Oladipo market and that's their target guy right now. 

That's a nice list for us......Even though you hate Vassell..lol

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So Atlanta is looking at Okungwu as a PF only?

They are looking into as versatile big is all I got. The analytics team is very high on him. Scouts and TS aren't so high is the last I heard but he's a name that Atlanta is seriously keeping an eye on like a Hawk. 

The biggest pick in this draft if not trades will be #3. I really think MJ will take Edwards and take him under his wing like Kemba but Edwards has more potential. 

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1 minute ago, terrell said:

That's a nice list for us......Even though you hate Vassell..lol

I don't hate the kid, I dislike the idea of 3&D SGs heavily. I don't see the value. I am obviously indifferent to 3&D SFs where I see the value. 

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3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I don't hate the kid, I dislike the idea of 3&D SGs heavily. I don't see the value. I am obviously indifferent to 3&D SFs where I see the value. 

I didn't mean that literally..lol..

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Just now, terrell said:

I didn't mean that literally..lol..

You dont think Vassel could play some SF at all in a few years? He's 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan afterall...

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24 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If I had to do a mock draft, no trades based on what I am hearing:

1. Ball

2. Deni

3. The hardest one, Charlotte hasn't let the cat out the hat. I'll say Edwards but I am not sure. 

4. Hayes

5. Okoro

6. Toppin

7. Haliburton

8. Okongwu

9. Wiseman

10. J. Smith

 

1. What you last heard was Wasserman is what others are also hearing. 

2. I am hearing is near lock. If you want Deni, you will have to jump GS. 

3. I took a guess. No clue. 

4. Chicago is leaning to draft a playmaker. 

5. Okoro is their guy but if Edwards slides...

6. Toppin is in a strange place. Atlanta likes him but they also like others. If he doesn't get drafted here, he could slide to 10 and later. This is the most up in the air room since 2018 when scouts/GMs/coaches/owners were split between JJJ/Luka/Trae/Bagley/Sexton/Bamba. This might be a trade down spot but Atlanta wants a lot to move down. I am hearing they would be okay here. I think Okoro would be their pick if available. He has the most lovers within the org. 

7. Haliburton and Hayes are their targets but if Wiseman is on the board, he would give them a serious thought. I heard Tyrese Maxey name here as well. 

8. I am hearing they like Hayes but Okongwu is a guy they like. High BBIQ, defensive versatility, and style of play really fits what Thibs wants from a big. 

9. Washington wants a big bad. I was told they considered moving up but didn't want to trade a future 1st. J. Smith is possible at this slot. 

10. PHX is a trade down candidate but I was told they like Jalen Smith. A name that's been mentioned with Smith, Kurt Thomas. Teams think he can be a modern KT. He's getting some looks even by Atlanta. 

 

Atlanta has marked off three players I've heard: 

Wiseman

Ball

Edwards

The 7 players I got Atlanta is looking at is: 

O. Toppin

Okoro

Patrick Williams

Nesmith

Vassell

Haliburton

Okongwu

 

Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Tyrese Maxey, Kira Lewis, and R.J. Hampton are all players Atlanta has targeted to a degree for looks that are mid 1st guys. 

 

I was told Atlanta is not looking to draft a center. They feel they have enough of them. I haven't gotten any leans yet but they have positive to say about all 7 guys. It's said they will be going BPA and this has nothing to do with FA either. 

Brooklyn hasn't shown much interest in giving away 19 to take on Prince contract, it's not a lock they don't won't either. So much depends on trades. They are open to the Oladipo market and that's their target guy right now. 

Funny thing is, I had a dream a few weeks ago, we traded up for Deni...lol

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1 minute ago, terrell said:

You dont think Vassel could play some SF at all in a few years? He's 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan afterall...

Nope. He's frame is near it's max and his measureables are on par with Bazemore. At most, he's going to be able to do a Bazemore and go to 200-205. Do you think Bazemore is a 3? He can fake the funk at the 3 but no one thinks he can guard big wings or 4s on occasion. Too small. I am higher overall on Culver than Vassell and I didn't like Culver and even MIN is admitting it was a bust. 

He needs a much better frame. If he was built like a young Rodman or Mikal Bridges, I would be much higher on him but shit, so would everyone else. 

3 minutes ago, terrell said:

Funny thing is, I had a dream a few weeks ago, we traded up for Deni...lol

I hope your dream is just that because the price to move up will be too much. 

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10 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Nope. He's frame is near it's max and his measureables are on par with Bazemore. At most, he's going to be able to do a Bazemore and go to 200-205. Do you think Bazemore is a 3? He can fake the funk at the 3 but no one thinks he can guard big wings or 4s on occasion. Too small. I am higher overall on Culver than Vassell and I didn't like Culver and even MIN is admitting it was a bust. 

He needs a much better frame. If he was built like a young Rodman or Mikal Bridges, I would be much higher on him but shit, so would everyone else. 

What the hell is going on with Edwards to make him drop?  Earlier you were reporting that Atlanta would take him if he's there.  Do you think if he some how drops to the Hawks at 6, they'd take him or is it best for him to get out of Atlanta? 

Also, weird they'd want Haliburton over Hayes.  He seems like more of a two guard than a one to me.

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3 minutes ago, marco102 said:

What the hell is going on with Edwards to make him drop?  Earlier you were reporting that Atlanta would take him if he's there.  Do you think if he some how drops to the Hawks at 6, they'd take him or is it best for him to get out of Atlanta? 

Also, weird they'd want Haliburton over Hayes.  He seems like more of a two guard than a one to me.

Situation changed. He got some personal issues he has to deal with. Atlanta is not the best situation for him. Atlanta should learn from the Spellman and Schröder experience with maturity. Charlotte could be different. Simply because MJ is there and MJ might see himself in Edwards talent wise. 

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