Popular Post JTB Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) @Peoriabird I’m giving you your flowers. I’m completely on your side now . I won’t defend LP anymore. I knew Pierce didn’t know all there is to being a coach at the nba level and I knew as a young coach he had his learn bing curves coming too and I supported Pierce because he’s a young black coach and I wanted him to really take this opportunity and flourish greatly even though I knew he had a to learn.... but fast forward to today where Pierce is extremely unapologetic in my opinion. His post games have went from we are all young and developing to placing most blame on this team while not taking any of it towards himself. He’s even starting to snap at tough questions because he knows the roster is good enough to win and be in the playoffs now. Injuries aren’t really a good excuse either as he acknowledged before the season started that he knew there would be some injuries. he’s held back Trae from being his normal aggressive offensive self . He’s acknowledged proudly that “we don’t run plays for JC” as if that’s a good thing. He’s removed Clint from most clutch situations this season....doesn’t have good rotations or call meaningful timeouts. I’m sure the list goes on but if we would just acknowledge some of his own mistakes I would still be supporting LP BUT I’m officially done supporting Pierce . I really wanted it to work out for him but even the most optimistic posters in on here like @JayBirdHawk @Gray Mule @AHFand sometimes @NBASupes LOL ....got to be real when looking at this whole thing and saying Pierce can’t lead us. He just doesn’t have the experience to push this team and his coaching philosophies are not being heard or taken serious at this point. Before we signed LP I said we needed a offensively minded coach and stick with that to this day. Our biggest issue is that we can’t use the strength Schlenk has assembled....defense will work itself out but offense is our key to team wins Edited February 16, 2021 by JTB 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Watchman said: I'd say the best argument would be not having to listen to his post-game comments. That would have a lot of value. I have my issues with Lloyd Pierce, but as far as performance, the team is where I expected them to be at this point. I've always felt it was goin to take someone on the team making a meteoric rise to get this team into the playoffs. It looked like that was going to be DeAndre Hunter prior to the injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 16, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, JTB said: I really wanted it to work out for him but even the most optimistic posters in on here like @JayBirdHawk @Gray Mule @AHFand sometimes @NBASupes LOL ....got to be real when looking at this whole thing and saying Pierce can’t lead us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I think the most upsetting thing is that Pierce continues to blame the team and not himself! we are at a point that Pierce coaching is so bad that die hard hawk fans want to trade away Trae, collins, cam whoever and start over rather than getting a coach who knows how to USE and get the most out of this talent ! I mean seriously it’s ridiculous! I don’t even know how Schlenk can make a move outside of trading rondo cause you can’t make a move knowing we aren’t getting this groups ALL. it wouldn’t be smart to make moves based on what’s happening because at least to me it’s clearly a huge coaching issue. Pierce seems to have an ego as well that’s why he’s not taking much or any blame . His interviews have been awful this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: I’m with @Peoriabird this dude need to go like yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted February 16, 2021 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, JTB said: @Peoriabird I’m giving you your flowers. I’m completely on your side now . I won’t defend LP anymore. I knew Pierce didn’t know all there is to being a coach at the nba level and I knew as a young coach he had his learn bing curves coming too and I supported Pierce because he’s a young black coach and I wanted him to really take this opportunity and flourish greatly even though I knew he had a to learn.... but fast forward to today where Pierce is extremely unapologetic in my opinion. His post games have went from we are all young and developing to placing most blame on this team while not taking any of it towards himself. He’s even starting to snap at tough questions because he knows the roster is good enough to win and be in the playoffs now. Injuries aren’t really a good excuse either as he acknowledged before the season started that he knew there would be some injuries. he’s held back Trae from being his normal aggressive offensive self . He’s acknowledged proudly that “we don’t run plays for JC” as if that’s a good thing. He’s removed Clint from most clutch situations this season....doesn’t have good rotations or call meaningful timeouts. I’m sure the list goes on but if we would just acknowledge some of his own mistakes I would still be supporting LP You left out the dumb coaches challenges too. I know y'all wanted him to succeed and chose to ignore his obvious coaching flaws but at least you see it know which is the important thing. I want to officially welcome you to the dark side! LOL! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted February 16, 2021 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, JTB said: I think the most upsetting thing is that Pierce continues to blame the team and not himself! we are at a point that Pierce coaching is so bad that die hard hawk fans want to trade away Trae, collins, cam whoever and start over rather than getting a coach who knows how to USE and get the most out of this talent ! This is the most ridiculous part even though sites were going crazy with envy over our roster prior to the season. I don't know what John has to do to prove his worth to this team but obviously the loyalty is with LP and not John Collins. I've given up on trying to convince posters to value John like they should. I'll continue to let them see for themselves what a big mistake they've made in committing their loyalty to LP vs a quality player and person such as John Collins. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I'm not sure I've seen anyone say that they want to blow the team up again but keep Lloyd Pierce. I know that I have said stay the course unless you know you can get an established coach that knows how to win in the off season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 16, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, KB21 said: I'm not sure I've seen anyone say that they want to blow the team up again but keep Lloyd Pierce. I know that I have said stay the course unless you know you can get an established coach that knows how to win in the off season. You should check out the post game posts in the game Thread....I think those posters might have been on some late night stuff though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted February 16, 2021 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 For me, it is obvious that you keep Trae, JC and company and get a new coach rather than get rid of them and keep LP. I've never claimed LP was a great coach - rather, I've said (a) that as a general matter stability matters and so shuffling through coaches rapidly is worse than making your best hire and giving them a bit too much time if you missed the mark and (b) with respect to LP specifically that he was in a "garbage in, garbage out" situation where he didn't have the personnel to compete for the playoffs and so judging him by whether the team was competitive or not was an unfair standard. Even with injury challenges, he has enough talent to compete this season. As I've said before, this is his sink or swim year. He is sinking year-to-date. I'll make my final call on him at the end of the season (or the end of his tenure if sooner). Unless and until he is let go, I'll be watching what he does and factoring that into my evaluation of him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) I was with @JTB and wanted more than anything for Pierce to succeed. He was my profile picture for his first season. I made Hunter that picture soon into last seasons start. I just can't support some of his comments or tactics anymore. Ones like last season when he said he has not instituted any of his defensive schemes because the Hawks players were not ready for them. How many years do you need to coach a defensive scheme? Thibs has done it with a young Knicks team in less than a quarter of a season. Hate on Donovan all you want but the Bulls are playing better basketball than us. He supports and encourages 3 point chucking by players who do not shoot threes very well. Efficiency is instituted by putting players in their best position to score. Not their worse. He plays Collins at the five like he is some sort of small ball Big Ben. I have been over the chucking and small ball lineups for quite a while now. No excuses. Trae, Collins, and Capela should be competitive. A good coach could roll with them. Edited February 16, 2021 by Buzzard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Peoriabird said: This is the most ridiculous part even though sites were going crazy with envy over our roster prior to the season. I don't know what John has to do to prove his worth to this team but obviously the loyalty is with LP and not John Collins. I've given up on trying to convince posters to value John like they should. I'll continue to let them see for themselves what a big mistake they've made in committing their loyalty to LP vs a quality player and person such as John Collins. Yeah I don’t think Schlenk can truly watch the games then make up his mind on what we should do with LP at helm. this team is built to be a top 10 offense yet Trae is obviously told to play different than his true game which has now resulted into fans saying he’s passive. Trae has never shown passiveness and now it’s year 3 you just don’t get passive out of no where and folks question his performances even if he puts up a stat line of 3 of 9 shooting with 15 assist . In my opinion when he’s doing that he’s doing what the coaches ask of him . Collins is too elite as a screener, off ball moving big, and efficiency to not have more plays ran for him on the offensive end! Pierce saying there’s no plays for collins seems to still hold true today. Hunter I also don’t think plays are ran for him I think Hunter is just naturally being more aggressive and that’s how his pts increased offensively. the truth is if we had above avg offensive minded head coach even with where the defense has been most of the season which was around 13th overall we’d be a deadly ass team right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: You should check out the post game posts in the game Thread....I think those posters might have been on some late night stuff though. I couldn’t believe what I was reading . Not just from the squawk either! im like wow y’all are in support of LP so much you’re going to trade away good and great up and coming talent???!!! thank goodness they aren’t running the show! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buzzard said: I was with @JTB and wanted more than anything for Pierce to succeed. He was my profile picture for his first season. I made Hunter that picture soon into last seasons start. I just can't support some of his comments or tactics anymore. Ones like last season when he said he has not instituted any of his defensive schemes because the Hawks players were not ready for them. How many years do you need to coach a defensive scheme? Thibs has done it with a young Knicks team in less than a quarter of a season. Hate on Donovan all you want but the Bulls are playing better basketball than us. He supports and encourages 3 point chucking by players who do not shoot threes very well. Efficiency is instituted by putting players in their best position to score. Not their worse. He plays Collins at the five like he is some sort of small ball Big Ben. I have been over the chucking and small ball lineups for quite a while now. No excuses. Trae, Collins, and Capela should be competitive. A good coach could roll with them. I love the thibbs and Knicks comparison...on one hand it frustrates me cause it’s true lol but on the other hand I’m looking at LP the defensive specialist and going what the hell is so special about your scheme that it take 3-4 years to get???? got damn I’m sounding like @Peoriabird 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted February 16, 2021 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, JTB said: I love the thibbs and Knicks comparison...on one hand it frustrates me cause it’s true lol but on the other hand I’m looking at LP the defensive specialist and going what the hell is so special about your scheme that it take 3-4 years to get???? got damn I’m sounding like @Peoriabird Sounds good to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) It's about time a lot of you have realized that LP is a bum. It took long enough Looking back at the posts defending LP is absolutely hilarious haha. When I said a loooong time ago that he knew nothing about offense people really thought I had no idea what I was talking about haha Then certain posters kept bringing up Pick & Roll nonsense. PICK & ROLL IS NOT AN OFFENSIVE STRATEGY, IT'S A PLAY THAT YOU RUN ON OFFENSE I hate to toot my own horn(actually no i don't lol) but I know my basketball Edited February 16, 2021 by Bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 16, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I've just re-read all 15 pages, and I stand by all I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted February 16, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, JTB said: Collins is too elite as a screener, off ball moving big, and efficiency to not have more plays ran for him on the offensive end! Pierce saying there’s no plays for collins seems to still hold true today. I'd say he is elite as a roller not a screener. I rarely see him set effective screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted February 16, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: I've just re-read all 15 pages, and I stand by all I posted. Yeah that's the thing. Pretty much no one said LP was a great coach. Only that we weren't firing him this past offseason and we'd see what he did with a real roster. Truth is he did pretty well before everyone's legs started breaking. But i'm tired of what he says more than what he does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 16, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Yeah that's the thing. Pretty much no one said LP was a great coach (except Supes). Only that we weren't firing him this past offseason and we'd see what he did with a real roster. Truth is he did pretty well before everyone's legs started breaking. But i'm tired of what he says more than what he does. Fixed it for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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