NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, marco102 said: I'm high on Lamelo, but I don't see him being there when the Hawks pick. That's why I have Killian so high, I believe in his defense, shooting, passing, and ability to play alongside Trae. Not saying you aren't high on Killian, but you don't seem to be a fan. What keeps you from liking him? Just trying to see if you see somethng that I don't that I need to reevaluate. I don't see him being that good on offense outside of his playmaking out of the PnR in year 1. I actually love his defense and think it translates. I heard he's now 220 so even more. I keep saying this but he's Kris Dunn with PG skills but if he can really improve his scoring and shooting, maybe some Gary Payton tease long term. I am not a believer in his ability to break down a defense, his scoring, or his shooting day 1. I do think the potential is there. I do like his ceiling a lot more than Kris Dunn and I like his floor more than Dunn. I am high on him. He's 6th on my overall BB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NBASupes said: I don't see him being that good on offense outside of his playmaking out of the PnR in year 1. I actually love his defense and think it translates. I heard he's now 220 so even more. I keep saying this but he's Kris Dunn with PG skills but if he can really improve his scoring and shooting, maybe some Gary Payton tease long term. I am not a believer in his ability to break down a defense, his scoring, or his shooting day 1. I do think the potential is there. I do like his ceiling a lot more than Kris Dunn and I like his floor more than Dunn. I am high on him. He's 6th on my overall BB. I don't see his scoring translating right away either, but I think he'll be adequate in a backup role. His passing would be much needed on the second unit and he won't be a defensive sieve. To me, he just makes too much sense to pass over for a big or someone who can't shoot like an Okoro. Killian is good off the dribble, but his three point percentage seems terrible, but check this shot chart. Plus an 88% free throw percentage, I think he'll be a good to great shooter with great passing ability. Defense, passing, shooting, great size. Sign me up. I thought he looked slow in some of the videos I watched, but he just doesn't get speed up. Edited September 29, 2020 by marco102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, marco102 said: I don't see his scoring translating right away either, but I think he'll be adequate in a backup role. His passing would be much needed on the second unit and he won't be a defensive sieve. To me, he just makes too much sense to pass over for a big or someone who can't shoot like an Okoro. Killian is good off the dribble, but his three point percentage seems terrible, but check this shot chart. Plus an 88% free throw percentage, I think he'll be a good to great shooter. I see Okoro a lot higher than you do but you see Hayes the way I see him for now. I honestly don't think we will see his true off the dribble game till year 2-3. I honestly think you are looking at a defensive stopper who can create for others and needs more experience to create for himself. Year 2 is when you can tell what you got from Hayes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: #1 is LaMelo. It was Ant but he dropped after I found out about a couple things. What did you find out about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, NBASupes said: I don't see him being that good on offense outside of his playmaking out of the PnR in year 1. I actually love his defense and think it translates. I heard he's now 220 so even more. I keep saying this but he's Kris Dunn with PG skills but if he can really improve his scoring and shooting, maybe some Gary Payton tease long term. I am not a believer in his ability to break down a defense, his scoring, or his shooting day 1. I do think the potential is there. I do like his ceiling a lot more than Kris Dunn and I like his floor more than Dunn. I am high on him. He's 6th on my overall BB. No way Hayes weighs 220, you can tell just by eyeballing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, bleachkit said: No way Hayes weighs 220, you can tell just by eyeballing him. He actually said it today in an interview for the draft. You know the media part of the combine started today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: He actually said it today in an interview for the draft. You know the media part of the combine started today. Have you seen pictures of Killian Hayes? He's skinny as a rail. Halliburton weighs like 170. Ball weighs like 180. They have similar body types as Hayes. No way Hayes weighs 40 or 50 lbs more than them. Antman, who is built like an NFL linebacker, weighs 225. I don't care what he said, Im pretty good at eyeballing weights and there's absolutely no way he weighs 220. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Have you seen pictures of Killian Hayes? He's skinny as a rail. Halliburton weighs like 170. Ball weighs like 180. They have similar body types as Hayes. No way Hayes weighs 40 or 50 lbs more than them. Antman, who is built like an NFL linebacker, weighs 225. I don't care what he said, Im pretty good at eyeballing weights and there's absolutely no way he weighs 220. Last I seen him, he was about 200 pounds with broad shoulders. It wouldn't surprise me if he is now 220. He has broad shoulders and big thighs. I would love to see how you see him as skinny as a rail. Are you sure you are talking about Hayes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 https://www.nba.com/bulls/features/sam-smith-killian-hayes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: Last I seen him, he was about 200 pounds with broad shoulders. It wouldn't surprise me if he is now 220. He has broad shoulders and big thighs. I would love to see how you see him as skinny as a rail. Are you sure you are talking about Hayes? TT That dude right there does not weigh 220 lbs. He's like 190 tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, bleachkit said: TT That dude right there does not weigh 220 lbs. He's like 190 tops. LOL. No one is saying he played at 220. We said he was 200 pounds. Man, you said he was built like Hali/Ball, now you are saying he's 190? Stop it. You got bad eyes man. You can't tell weight distribution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: LOL. No one is saying he played at 220. We said he was 200 pounds. Man, you said he was built like Hali/Ball, now you are saying he's 190? Stop it. You got bad eyes man. You can't tell weight distribution? You just said he was 220 Supes. Now you're backtracking to 200? He's not 220, not even close. He might got 15 lbs on Hali/Ball, he does not have 50 lbs on them. 220 is like what Kawhi Leonard and Paul George weigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 I will gladly make an avatar bet that Killian Hayes does not weigh 220 lbs if official combine weights are released. He does not have the frame to weigh that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 hours ago, bleachkit said: I will gladly make an avatar bet that Killian Hayes does not weigh 220 lbs if official combine weights are released. He does not have the frame to weigh that much. Looks more than 200 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 9 hours ago, bleachkit said: Have you seen pictures of Killian Hayes? He's skinny as a rail. Halliburton weighs like 170. Ball weighs like 180. They have similar body types as Hayes. No way Hayes weighs 40 or 50 lbs more than them. Antman, who is built like an NFL linebacker, weighs 225. I don't care what he said, Im pretty good at eyeballing weights and there's absolutely no way he weighs 220. Haliburton said he ended his season at 155. 155. I doubt he's 170. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, marco102 said: Looks more than 200 to me. Skinny as a rail.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Skinny as a rail.... He's put on some muscle but he's not 220. He get officially weighed at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, kg01 said: Haliburton said he ended his season at 155. 155. I doubt he's 170. I doubt Hayes weighs 65 lbs more than Haliburton. Thats a lot of weight. I'd like to see the official numbers recorded at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 29, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 I'm not overly worried about the weight thing for any of these prospects - they just need to add good strength as they grow into their NBA bodies. If they can ball, they'll ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, marco102 said: Looks more than 200 to me. We can make an avatar bet if you like. If he weighs 220 or greater I'll gladly eat some crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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