Popular Post NBASupes Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 What do you think we need to do? Me personally, after full evaluation of the roster and watching over a lot of games here is what I think. PG - Trae needs to become a better shooter, less streaky, he needs to work on his off ball play, his stamina could improve, and he needs to be consistently pesky on defense. Also lower his mins to 30 mpg. Jeff needs to really shoot more threes, play more pesky defense, communicate on defense like he did under Bud, and I would like to see him get more minutes next year to build more consistency. Goodwin needs to continue to build into his summer where he's been getting high marks from people around the team, shoot more accurately, and just continue to work on being a better PG so he can win that 3rd PG spot and even if we bring in another PG, he can battle as well. Wings: the Hawks don't consider their wings to be 2s or 3s but interchangeable. Cam: Build onto his 2.9 WAR after DEC and be a 5-6 WAR guy in a full season if not more, shoot the ball much better in all situations, dribble better, pass much better, master the floater, be more instinctive and less reactive with preset determined moves, just work on your game and be more consistent. Defense just needs to come together. The talent, energy, effort, and ability is there, the consistency is not. This is about film prep and having reliable teammates which hopefully we will see next year. Hunter: With a poor WAR, it was clear the transition to SF and the NBA was tougher but I did see month to month improvement on offense that gives me hope that he's going to be a decent 0- .6 WAR wing in year 2 which is a net neutral wing in his 2nd year. He really has to be much better at understanding the schemes and defending using his strength as a bigger wing. This is still one of the toughest positions and it should take some time for him to completely get all of the nuisance of the position but I think he is due to a big jump. I do think Hunter might be better as a backup SF in year 2. I think he might be a 3-4 WAR backup wing. Obviously being a backup is much easier than being a starter in this league due to who you are going against. Kevin: Kev hit the ground running as a rookie jumping go a 1.2 WAR which was tops on the squad for all rookies on our squad then the 2nd half of the season came, we moved him to the starting five and his WAR from Jan to the end of the year was -.2 which is still good for a rookie and his fit with Trae proved to be a hit as Trae WAR went to the moon in that same time period. This proved what we all know, Trae and Kevin are excellent fits offensively. Defensively, it's the horrendous fit. That didn't change in year two, only got worse as his fit with Trae got harder due to a worse personnel grouping and his defensive fit got even worse as well. He finished with a -0.0 WAR which is fine for a 2nd year player on a bad team but rough for someone who the team has high expectations for. It also makes it clear that the Hawks might have to reconsider starting Kevin with Trae. For year three, I want to see Kevin athleticism from year 1 back, I want to see him be more of off ball player and improve his stamina. I am not looking for a movement player from him, just more vet like consistency. Defensively, I want him to communicate more. I want him to lock in more when it comes to his level of aggressiveness. I think his best fit is clearly as a 6th man. Based on his rookie year, he might be a 4-5 WAR a year player in that role for a winning team. I'll keep it short from here Bigs: JC: He is still improving and working hard is what people are saying within the org. I want him to improve his BBIQ defensively, be more sharp in Space, communicate more and accurately, take a leadership role within the bigs and really find how he can be more consistent in impacting the game when teams sell out on the PnR. Shooting is an area I want to see improvement. I want him to be a special shooter and I want him to put so much pressure on a defense because he can hit open and contested threes. I want him to build onto his summer with great play when the season starts. WAR is less of a big deal for me when it comes to JC. I want to see impact and that might not appear on any metrics considering we have Clint now. Capela: Easily the biggest gain we have had since Millsap. He was a 6.2 WAR guy in 2019 who was a 3.8 in 2020. Philosophical differences and health lead to Houston moving him and for Atlanta's gain as Clint is the perfect fit for what we plan on doing defensively. For Clint, bringing what he brought to HOU, leadership, covering ground like in 2019, better shooting, being the best center in the east. I want Clint to take that next leap as a player in 2020. I am expecting 8 WAR for Capela if we play 82 games. Bruno - I want to see a lot more polish. A lot more communication, better defense, better shooting, better awareness, better overall player. I am happy he's behind Clint and Dedmon as well as splitting with Skal for now. I want to see him dominate College Park. Skal - continue to build onto his great summer. Becoming a rotational big and challenge Dedmon for the backup 5. What do I think we need? 1. A big wing who can start and hit a corner three. Targets: Covington, Tucker, Crowder, and Prince. Draft target: Issac Okoro? What if we don't get said player: I think it could be our biggest need. Especially 2. A PF who can provide flexibility, can shoot and scorer at a high level for their usage and can even be used eventually as a big wing on defense. Targets: Davis Bertrans. Draft targets: Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin. 3. A PG who can be a stud backup PG in the draft who can shoot Draft targets: Cole Anthony, Tyrell Terry, Malachi Flynn, etc.. 4. A sharpshooter as a wing. We could use another shooter, especially if we do not add 1-3. Targets: Joe Harris, KCP, etc. Draft targets: Aaron Nesmith Trade Targets: Buddy Hield So much of our success is depended on roles, Trae, Clint, and JC for next season. We need a massive jump from one of Reddish, Hunter, or Huerter. We also need a big signing or trade for a big wing to compete to start. We also need to add a legit contributor with the 6th pick who can help us win games next season and be a part of the rotation. No raw guys. I think we can win 50 games, maybe more but we gotta see some major jumps from one of the kids and Clint has to be a big part of it as well as JC. Our depth with define our season. The closer we are to Dallas or even better, the better we are as a squad. Our bench mob will and should get a lot more minutes than your average bench mob and we need to be twice as productive as well. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 1, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 Good Topic. I'll post one later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted October 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Good Topic. I'll post one later. Look forward to reading it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DS5 Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 Great post supes, but why do you keep calling him BertRans? I've Googled the name like 5 times assuming you knew better than I did... Other than that I agree with most of what you said with just a few exceptions. I don't want Prince back but if he comes with the 19th pick, I'm OK with him taking the 3/4 bu spot. And it looks like you're focusing more on 3 pt shooting and scoring for our needs. I think defense should be priority. I'd much rather target Jerami Grant (I know you think he's a bad fit, I disagree) than Bertans. I'd rather have a defensive guy as bu PG than a pure scorer. For the draft, same thing. I want a defensive guy, Okoro being me preference. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, NBASupes said: What do I think we need? 1. A big wing who can start and hit a corner three. Targets: Covington, Tucker, Crowder, and Prince. Draft target: Issac Okoro? What if we don't get said player: I think it could be our biggest need. Especially 2. A PF who can provide flexibility, can shoot and scorer at a high level for their usage and can even be used eventually as a big wing on defense. Targets: Davis Bertrans. Draft targets: Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin. 3. A PG who can be a stud backup PG in the draft who can shoot Draft targets: Cole Anthony, Tyrell Terry, Malachi Flynn, etc.. 4. A sharpshooter as a wing. We could use another shooter, especially if we do not add 1-3. Targets: Joe Harris, KCP, etc. Draft targets: Aaron Nesmith Trade Targets: Buddy Hield 1. Jerami Grant hit 39% this year, 35% for his career from 3, Big Wing 2. Bertans fit this bill 3. I think we need a Vet presence at PG, but I do like Killian Hayes as a combo 4. Grant and Bertans, or a wing from the draft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) This is more of a mock but I'll give it a go LP..No more stupid lineups. Trae..Cut down the turnovers and bad shots. Try harder on defense. Huerter..Stay healthy. Get to the FT line more. Cam..Keep improving finishing in the paint and 3 pt shooting. Hunter.. Improve perimeter D and Ball handling skills. Collins..Improve on D and Playmaking. Capela..Stay healthy. Draft.. I cant make up my mind at #6, so I traded it to Boston(they want Okungwu) for #14, #27, and #30 FA.. Teague/Skal/Crowder/Clarkson or Galloway(1 yr deal) Trae/Teague/Tre Jones(#27) Cam/Huerter/Clarkson/Desmond Bane(#30) Hunter/Crowder/Nesmith(#14) Collins/Skal/Crowder Capela/Dedmon/Bruno Thats a playoff team in the East if healthy..I drafted 3 players I think can contribute a little bit next season... Edited October 1, 2020 by terrell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted October 1, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 Point Guards: Trae: Limit his turnovers, effort and consistency on defense, off ball movement Jeff: I’d prefer an upgrade, but if he’s back I would need aggressive Teague that we have all been begging for since his time with the Hawks. Goodwin: If he makes the big squad, I would like to see him progress enough to take Teague’s minutes. Wings: In general, I need to see more play making from them, get a rebound and go...(Trae will have to run for an easy catch and shoot opportunity) Huerter: He has to remain healthy to be at his most effective, Consistency in being aggressive on offense will lead to more freethrow attempts. Being healthy will go along way in improving his defense. I need him to develop running off more screens ala Korver-esque. Hunter: Consistency required. Improve his rebounding like he started doing toward the end of the season. He is our position defender, moves his feet, cuts off lanes, not the steal and block guy Cam is. Should be better in year 2. Cam: Build on his 2020 numbers, he is our wing gambler on defense: steals and blocks, work on maintaining position and not overplaying. Consistency required in all areas. Bembry: Learn to shoot, but will he be back? Graham: Will he be back? Bigs: JC: Defensive Improvement required, continued development of his 3 point shot, develop his ball handling and passing to make plays out of the PnR, put the ball on the floor to get to the basket. Capela: Stay Healthy Dedmon: Regain his 3 point touch Bruno: I want to see a big leap in all areas for Bruno, stop thinking so much and just play. I would like to see him take Dedmon’s spot by midseason. Skal: Stay Healthy What do I think we need? Draft and Free Agency An adequate NBA quality bench – players that can start in a pinch and bring varying skill sets. Team Toughness - get some mean. 1. Backup PG, preferably a vet and draft one for the future. 2. Backup PF 3. Swing Forward SF/PF. 4. Sharp shooter at Wing or PF We need one of our Wings to take the reigns as ‘THE GUY’ – who will have a Trae like jump across the board to go along with Trae and Collins. I’ll save my Win/Loss prediction until we have a full team (so after the draft and FAcy), but I would at least like for The Hawks to double their win total from last season. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noble Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 To be actual contenders? You have to find a way to get Giannis on the roster. While you are doing that, get at the very minimum Bertans. If you mean actual contenders you need at least a Superstar and and some stars around him. If you mean a playoff team then hope some guys develop and scrape the middle barrel for guys like Derrick Jones Jr and pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 I’ll keep it simple Need to improve defense, performance as a team. Trae and perhaps John are going to be defensive negatives for the team. They need to improve enough so that their positives on offense are bigger that their negatives. Cam and Hunter need to step up a lot, become average wings next year. Positive WARP. Capela needs to stay healthy. Need to complete the team with a PG, wing, a forward and a wing are my choices. Dunn, Napier, Ferrel, Mcrae, KCP, Korkmaz, Derrick Jones Jr might be cheap options. Christian Wood, Joe Harris, Jae Crowder, would be more expensive but a perfect addition for the team. I would go with Dunn, KCP, Derrick Jones Jr and Wood. draft BPA, Okongwu or Hali for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 I think it would be reasonable to expect individual and collective growth from our core (better D, lower turnovers, consistent scoring). We need to build the rest of the roster if we want to push for a deep playoff run. I think this has been largely dismissed, but I would love to see a big push for Fred VanVleet. He could get the minutes he wants here starting at SG and backing up Trea. Then either sign Chiorzza or draft the 3rd PG. This would push either Cam or Hunter to the bench (which ever is hot gets the start at SF). I'd try to get either Otto Porter Jr or Derrick Jones Jr for SF depth. I'd also try to get either Bertans or Christian Wood for PF depth, with Collins getting some minutes as a small C behind Capela. Whoever we draft would either be the 3rd or 4th option for their position or just send them to College Park. We shouldn't expect too much of anyone in this draft for this year. Not having any concern of trying to find the best fit will allow us the freedom to truly select BPA regardless of position. I'd be open to seeing if we could get anything in return for Huerter or Dedmond, future assets wise. If not, they can stay. If we could trade Dedmond, I'd like to bring in Nerlens Noel as the third C. Roster looking something like this: Trae/FVV/Chiozza or draft pick FVV/Cam/Huerter Cam/Hunter/Derrick JonesJr or Otto Porter Jr Collins/Hunter/Bertans or Wood/Skal Capela/Collins/Dedmond or Noel/Bruno Plus one or two draft picks, any position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 16, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, bird_dirt said: I think it would be reasonable to expect individual and collective growth from our core (better D, lower turnovers, consistent scoring). We need to build the rest of the roster if we want to push for a deep playoff run. I think this has been largely dismissed, but I would love to see a big push for Fred VanVleet. He could get the minutes he wants here starting at SG and backing up Trea. I would pass on signing FVV for $20+ million. He works at SG because Lowry is a bulldog on defense at PG. Same can't be said for Trae. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said: I would pass on signing FVV for $20+ million. He works at SG because Lowry is a bulldog on defense at PG. Same can't be said for Trae. I don't think he's too shabby at D himself, so I think it could be enough to work. If he backs up Trae for 15 min, we can put Cam next to him. I really want to see a legit threat at SG. I'd love to see someone like Booker or Donovan Mitchell back there, but that's not happening. I think FVV could be our best shot at getting someone locked in for years that could provide much more than what we could expect from Cam or Kevin offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted October 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 I know LP wants to do what Miami is doing but I really think they will have to consider a replacement for JC for this to truly work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted October 17, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 4:41 AM, gurpilo said: I’ll keep it simple Me too. They should have hired Doc Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 19, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Quote How will the Hawks, look to take the leap? The Hawks have assembled a young, promising talent base. All five of their leading minute-earners this season were 22 or younger, led by Trae Young and John Collins. After three consecutive losing seasons, Atlanta owns the sixth pick in the draft and is one of only a handful of teams with significant cap space this offseason. Where do they turn in the draft? A complementary orchestrator and shooter to pair alongside Young, like Tyrese Haliburton? A defensive wing who’s raw but offers a high ceiling, like Isaac Okoro? Do the Hawks make another trade with their lottery pick, as they have the past two drafts? On the free-agent front, Davis Bertans and Jerami Grant are believed to be top targets. Either veteran would bring new dimensions to the roster while, ironically, making Atlanta younger: last year the rotation included Vince Carter, who at 43 was as old as Young and Collins combined. Landing Bertans or Grant would signal expectations have changed. Quote Past results never ensure future outcomes. While this year’s top teams were light years away from contending five years ago, the Knicks, the Hornets, the Pistons and the Kings were bad then and remain so. The turnarounds of the Lakers, Nuggets, Heat and Celtics remind us anything is possible. It’s up to the Hawks, Bulls, Spurs and Pelicans to catch the wave before it crashes and leaves them lost at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 To make the playoffs next season, only 2 things are necessary. 1-Stay healthy. 2-Stay ellgible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post lethalweapon3 Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Front-row assistant(s) that can help LP adjust mid-game A definitive second unit, led by a backup ballhandler that can keep up the pace No more worthless (on-court) Vets JC gets his assist weight up No more Hack-a-pela, Clint hits FTs Communication in halfcourt D, Swifter reaction in transition D Trae reads screens Off-ball Trae cans corner 3s No more bailout fouling to compensate for lax D Over the 40 3FG% hump for The Huert Business De'Andre adds some handle, swifter decision-making off-dribble Bruno becomes a low-TO big No sophomore slump for Cam from the jump Deflections-R-Us Boxouts-R-Us ~lw3 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said: Front-row assistant(s) that can help LP adjust mid-game Blah, blah, blah .. ~lw3 I've been begging for this since I saw who his "lead" assistant was gonna be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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