Free Agency 2020!!

[NBASupes]

I want JC back and on a reasonable extension. 4/80 million. 

[mrhonline]

22 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Maybe...not really sure yet.

It's the case in, I dunno, 99% of the signings for lottery picks. It'd be bad form to not do it.

[mrhonline]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I want JC back and on a reasonable extension. 4/80 million. 

Not a chance. 

His 2+1 would be ~$90M guaranteed over three years. With all the cap space that will be out there next year, there's no way he'd take an AAV of $20M.

[thecampster]

4 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Not a chance. 

His 2+1 would be ~$90M guaranteed over three years. With all the cap space that will be out there next year, there's no way he'd take an AAV of $20M.

He's either signing for the max or taking a very slim home town discount at this point...Probably the max.  Assuming 1 year down the road we're back to business as normal, the upcoming cap will go up a few million. He's going to get the max from someone and then we'll have to match. Given the cap goes up to $112 million next year (my estimate), Giving him the max will not put us in the LT but it will cost us one of Galli/BB in 2 years. When its Trae's turn.

[Sothron]

Give Collins the max. He's a 20/10 PF at 23  years old whose only getting better.  You don't have to overthink this one.

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, thecampster said:

He's either signing for the max or taking a very slim home town discount at this point...Probably the max.  Assuming 1 year down the road we're back to business as normal, the upcoming cap will go up a few million. He's going to get the max from someone and then we'll have to match. Given the cap goes up to $112 million next year (my estimate), Giving him the max will not put us in the LT but it will cost us one of Galli/BB in 2 years. When its Trae's turn.

In 2 years at age 34 Gallo and his $20 million will be off the books. would be my guess.

[DS5]

15 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I want JC back and on a reasonable extension. 4/80 million. 

Come on, be realistic. 

[marco102]

I'd go 5 years/ $130 million.  With declining salaries.  I think that's a fair deal for both sides. Even throw in a player option for the 5th year.

Edited November 25, 2020 by marco102

[capstone21]

We had an excellent free agency haul but Bogdan was the biggest signing and will have the biggest impact for us.

We now have depth, flexibility, 3 point shooting and D.  Now lets work on chemistry and go win some games!

[REHawksFan]

29 minutes ago, thecampster said:

You wait these things out and sign him at the end of the year if you're confident he's getting the max at the end anyway.

This is what I've been saying.  There's no reason or compulsion to do the deal now unless it's for trade purposes.  Otherwise, just wait til you have to do the deal.  

[REHawksFan]

12 minutes ago, thecampster said:

He's either signing for the max or taking a very slim home town discount at this point...Probably the max.  Assuming 1 year down the road we're back to business as normal, the upcoming cap will go up a few million. He's going to get the max from someone and then we'll have to match. Given the cap goes up to $112 million next year (my estimate), Giving him the max will not put us in the LT but it will cost us one of Galli/BB in 2 years. When its Trae's turn.

Question:

With Gallo and Bogi's contracts, would we be able to go over the Cap to re-sign them if we wanted to (and go into the tax)?  I guess I'm asking if we'd have their Bird rights to use or will they walk if we are over the Cap?  I don't want to be in a Boston / Hayward situation where the player leaves and we are over the cap so we have no recourse to replace them.  Is that where we'll be in 3 years?  

[marco102]

5 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Question:

With Gallo and Bogi's contracts, would we be able to go over the Cap to re-sign them if we wanted to (and go into the tax)?  I guess I'm asking if we'd have their Bird rights to use or will they walk if we are over the Cap?  I don't want to be in a Boston / Hayward situation where the player leaves and we are over the cap so we have no recourse to replace them.  Is that where we'll be in 3 years?  

We will have their bird rights if each plays out their full contracts. ( A team gets bird rights for having a player under contract for three years).  The question is Ressler willing to pay luxury tax to keep Gallo and Bogi.

Edited November 25, 2020 by marco102

[REHawksFan]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

We will have their bird rights if each plays out their full contracts. ( A team gets bird rights for having a player under contract for three years).  The question is Ressler willing to play luxury tax to keep Gallo and Bogi.

It's going to be interesting.  They signed away all their flexibility this off season so all of the growth of the team will need to be internal or through trades.  I would think if the team shows growth and gets better each year, he would be willing to pay the tax to contend for a title.  But if in 3 years this same team is still competing for a 5 or 6 seed and 1st round exit, there'd be no point to pay the tax.  

I think when you look at the roster, you can make the argument that 9 guys are still in their upward arc of their careers and could realistically improve from year to year over the next 3 years (Trae, JC, Bogi, Cam, Hunter, Huerter, Big O, Bruno, and Goodwin).  That's really exciting to me.  The others - Rondo, Gallo, Snell, Dunn, Capela, and Hill are what they are at this point, imo.  

[ShooterSays]

11 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Question:

With Gallo and Bogi's contracts, would we be able to go over the Cap to re-sign them if we wanted to (and go into the tax)?  I guess I'm asking if we'd have their Bird rights to use or will they walk if we are over the Cap?  I don't want to be in a Boston / Hayward situation where the player leaves and we are over the cap so we have no recourse to replace them.  Is that where we'll be in 3 years?  

Hopefully when their contracts are up, Huerter, Hunter, and Cam have arrived and we have no need for Gallo or Bogi anymore.

[DS5]

32 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I'd go 5 years/ $130 million.  With declining salaries.  I think that's a fair deal for both sides. Even throw in a player option for the 5th year.

If you do it now I think that's a good deal for both sides. Depending on how this season goes, that may not be enough next year though. 

[Dejay]

12 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

We had an excellent free agency haul but Bogdan was the biggest signing and will have the biggest impact for us.

We now have depth, flexibility, 3 point shooting and D.  Now lets work on chemistry and go win some games!

Literally all of the checkmarks were filled out. I'm normally one of the first to pile on them for not bringing in REAL players (with the posts to prove it) but I have zero complaints about this offseason. Travis and the gang hit it into the 3rd deck, flipped the bat, took their time rounding the bases, then took a selfie after touching home plate with the umpire and catcher because they were also impressed.

Chemistry and health notwithstanding (a big issue nowadays), this became one of the deepest teams in the league overnight. Gone are the days when we're banking on the likes of Shelvin Mack, Mario West, Mo Evans, or Willie Green to hold the fort while the starters got a break. And Lord help the league if/when Reddish or Hunter get their sea legs underneath them.

Schlenk told us all that he was going to address the key issues with this roster. Most of us brushed it aside because we all heard the same rhetoric from his predecessors for years, only for them to cower behind the salary cap and run for cover once the tough questions started being asked. He talked the talk and walked it...

[gurpilo]

As I said A+ offseason for Hawks.

Team is one of the deepest on NBA and haa some upban coming players that should grow during the season. Size, defense, shooting, we have everyrhing we need.

I don't see any reason why this team should not win more rhan half of the games other than coaching, we improved in all areas, now is coaching time

 

[kg01]

My guy Sam Mitchell on NBARadio, thoughts on Hawks FA additions:

- Said the shooter from Denver (Gallo) will help them, likes the Bogd addition.  Didn't really talk about them much but had some pointed comments on Rondo.

- (After a long pause) ... Rondo will be honest and direct.  If Trae accepts some tough criticism of his play, especially on the defensive end, it'll work.  Rondo can help him figure out how to take his play and make his teammates better/help his team win. - Said the whispers are that some down here aren't sure Trae can translate his play to helping win/making teammates better.  (Not sure if he actually heard this or is just repeating the typical stuff from the Turner/Crabbe leaks last year)

- Rondo will also test CLP.  A player like Rondo is smart and (me paraphrasing) can be an ally in getting your message across to the team.  He could butt heads with CLP if he doesn't use him properly (stte, I missed this part because mrs. kg01 was nagging saying some really interesting things while I was listening)

Mitchell and Rick Mahorn both seem to see us as a 6-seed at worst.

[kg01]

2 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

As I said A+ offseason for Hawks.

Team is one of the deepest on NBA and haa some upban coming players that should grow during the season. Size, defense, shooting, we have everyrhing we need.

I don't see any reason why this team should not win more rhan half of the games other than coaching, we improved in all areas, now is coaching time

 

This is fair.

However, I'll step back a little and say we didn't really add much defensively.  That's where the staff will have to find a way to instill a better defensive culture.  We don't need to be the '85 Bears every night, just need to be able to get key stops.  Our offense should be dynamic on multiple levels.

[DS5]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

This is fair.

However, I'll step back a little and say we didn't really add much defensively.  That's where the staff will have to find a way to instill a better defensive culture.  We don't need to be the '85 Bears every night, just need to be able to get key stops.  Our offense should be dynamic on multiple levels.

We added Capela, OO and Dunn for the defensive side. And you kind of alluded to it, but we did add Nate McMillan to the coaching staff which should help. And just being so deep, the guys will inevitably have to give more effort on that side of the ball if they want to stay on court.