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2 hours ago, marco102 said:

Buddy Heild can't really dribble.  A scorer to me can dribble to get their shots. They may not be as efficient as a good shooter, but they know how to get to their spots to get their shots off and convert at a  decent clip. 

Buddy Heild is def a better pure shooter, but I won't say he's a better scorer. Just my opinion though.

My God, take Reggie Miller out of the Hall of Fame Then....

There are catch and shoot guys all over the NBA. Bogi is inconsistent with his three point shot.  Buddy is historic with his.

 

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5 hours ago, Diesel said:

My God, take Reggie Miller out of the Hall of Fame Then....

There are catch and shoot guys all over the NBA. Bogi is inconsistent with his three point shot.  Buddy is historic with his.

 

Buddy Hield isn't worthy of being mentioned in the same paragraph or thread for that matter with Reggie Miller. That's blasphemy. Hield is at best a higher volume Kyle Korver. 

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7 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Buddy Hield isn't worthy of being mentioned in the same paragraph or thread for that matter with Reggie Miller. That's blasphemy. Hield is at best a higher volume Kyle Korver. 

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A front-office executive from another organization said the Kings clearly value Hield, who made more 3-pointers than any player in NBA history over his first four seasons, and there are likely other teams that value him, too. 

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article247367189.html

 

Then when you compare their percent 3....

Miller:  35.5%, 40.2%, 41.4%, 34.8%, 37.8%

 

Hield:  39.1%, 36.9%, 42.8%, 43.1%, 43.7%, 39.4%

And For his career, Buddy averages 6.7 3pters per game.   Reggie's Best Year was 6.6 3 pters per game.

You're right... Reggie Miller doesn't deserve to be in the same paragraph as Buddy Buckets.

 

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9 hours ago, Diesel said:

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article247367189.html

 

Then when you compare their percent 3....

Miller:  35.5%, 40.2%, 41.4%, 34.8%, 37.8%

 

Hield:  39.1%, 36.9%, 42.8%, 43.1%, 43.7%, 39.4%

And For his career, Buddy averages 6.7 3pters per game.   Reggie's Best Year was 6.6 3 pters per game.

You're right... Reggie Miller doesn't deserve to be in the same paragraph as Buddy Buckets.

 

Yes, because comparing three point rate in 2020 is the same thing as comparing three point rate in 1991.  GTFO with your dumb take lol.

 Reggie was an all around player, very good defender, a demon without the ball who never stopped sprinting and would have the opposing defender grabbing his knees before halftime. He could score from everywhere on the floor not just the three point line and he got to the line a lot where he was 90%. He has a TS of 61% over his career which is higher than any single season Hield has ever put together and is one of the clutchest players of all time, 15th all time in win shares at 175. For Hield to catch Reggie he would need to play for another 49 years at his current rate. So yea, not sure why I'm even responding to your trolling. 

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12 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Yes, because comparing three point rate in 2020 is the same thing as comparing three point rate in 1991.  GTFO with your dumb take lol.

 Reggie was an all around player, very good defender, a demon without the ball who never stopped sprinting and would have the opposing defender grabbing his knees before halftime. He could score from everywhere on the floor not just the three point line and he got to the line a lot where he was 90%. He has a TS of 61% over his career which is higher than any single season Hield has ever put together and is one of the clutchest players of all time, 15th all time in win shares at 175. For Hield to catch Reggie he would need to play for another 49 years at his current rate. So yea, not sure why I'm even responding to your trolling. 

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believe it or not he’s not trolling. This is an “actual” hawks fan!....I know, I know....hard to believe at times!
 

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The Reggie Miller rule:

Remember?  The NBA changed the rule.  Reggie had a great talent of kicking out his leg when he took a jump shot.  He connected with his defender.  Foul!  Free throws!  Can't do that any more.  Why?  The Reggie Miller rule!  Now, if the shooter kicks out, he's the one who has fouled.

Reggie got a train load of free throws with this.  

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25 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Yes, because comparing three point rate in 2020 is the same thing as comparing three point rate in 1991.  GTFO with your dumb take lol.

 Reggie was an all around player, very good defender, a demon without the ball who never stopped sprinting and would have the opposing defender grabbing his knees before halftime. He could score from everywhere on the floor not just the three point line and he got to the line a lot where he was 90%. He has a TS of 61% over his career which is higher than any single season Hield has ever put together and is one of the clutchest players of all time, 15th all time in win shares at 175. For Hield to catch Reggie he would need to play for another 49 years at his current rate. So yea, not sure why I'm even responding to your trolling. 

Look... Reggie was not a very good defender... let's take that off the table.  He was backed up by the Davis Boys and Smits most of his career.  Secondly, what about 3 pt percentage?  Hield is a better shooter than Reggie .... Period.   Reggies TS is boosted by his FT%.... let's be honest.  That's why that stat is meaningless.  It proves that when nobody is guarding him, Reggie can hit a shot.     Finally, win shares always look better when you play on winning teams.   Your stats are empty stats. 

  Three Point %....  that's a real stat.  It shows what a player can do with the ball in his hand at the arc.  There.... Reggie is smoked by Hield.  Moreover, if Reggie played in 2020, his stats for shooting three pointers wouldn't be much different.  His percentage would be closer to the same. His production would be higher but it would not touch Hield's.

Hield is a specialist and so was Reggie.  Hield is just a specialist that didn't need a pick to get his shoot off. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Hield can't even nab a starting spot on a cellar dweller while Reggie was a centerpiece 5 time all star leading scorer for a perennial top 4 seed in the east which made the playoffs 16 times during his 18 year career making the conference finals 5 times and the finals once. During that stretch Reggie led the team in scoring for 10 straight years, led the team in win shares by at least 2 win shares during 14 straight years and 15 years total. He led the league in 3p made twice which is something HIeld has not done btw.

You say WS is inflated by playing on good teams, well YES, of course it is since good players tend to play for winning teams and thus contribute to a greater amount of wins. But let's forget that, let's compare Hield to his own teammates on bad teams... well he has never led his team in WS, he has ranked 2nd, 4th, and 6th the three full season he has played with the Kings and if you add his win shares from NO and Sacramento his rookie year he wouldn't rank top 10 on either team. So even on his terrible teams he has not been the best player, ever, and twice in four years he has not been even top 5. Meanwhile Reggie was the head and shoulders the best player on the Pacers with no one being even remotely close to him for a decade+ stretch. So please, just stop smoking your morning hit of meth before your teeth (and my brain) completely rot. 

 

 

 

 

Holic.. you can ask Reggie Himself... he will tell you he got lucky and the right coach came along and built a team around his strength.  Shooting off the pick.  Dr. Jack Ramsay refused to do it.   One of the greatest basketball minds to ever coach the game thought of Miller as a standby shooter.  Reggie was 6th man his rookie year.   Fortunately for Reggie the Pacers had Chuck Pearson, Skiles, and Shrempf and they started to invest in 3pt shooting as a weapon.   If d*ck Versace wouldn't have come in, Reggie would have went down in History as Cheryl's brother. 

Versace set up the system that made Reggie look good and then they got Rifleman out of the way so that Reggie could be the star. 

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28 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Holic.. you can ask Reggie Himself... he will tell you he got lucky and the right coach came along and built a team around his strength.  Shooting off the pick.  Dr. Jack Ramsay refused to do it.   One of the greatest basketball minds to ever coach the game thought of Miller as a standby shooter.  Reggie was 6th man his rookie year.   Fortunately for Reggie the Pacers had Chuck Pearson, Skiles, and Shrempf and they started to invest in 3pt shooting as a weapon.   If d*ck Versace wouldn't have come in, Reggie would have went down in History as Cheryl's brother. 

Versace set up the system that made Reggie look good and then they got Rifleman out of the way so that Reggie could be the star. 

 Who's talking facts vs who is spewing hypothetical BS that has no reference to anything.. good grief.

10 straight years leading the team in scoring is a real stat 14 straight years leading the team in win shares is a real stat, five eastern conference finals is a real stat., five All Star appearances is a real stat. Saying Reggie is lucky Skiles  who was a bench warmer who made a grand total of 26 three pointers in two season with the Pacers, was on the team when he was drafted is nonsense, Implying Reggie was fortunate  that Pearson and Schrempf who were both long gone during a ten year stretch where the Pacers were the best team behind the Jordan Bulls is nonsense. Saying Reggie is lucky because Versace coached him for one year and that due to him every single offense that Reggie played in for the following 16 years under 5 different coaches was tailored around him is... not even nonsense, it's literally IQ plummeting. Every human being who had the misfortune of reading your above reply is dumber for having read it. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Atlantaholic said:

 Who's talking facts vs who is spewing hypothetical BS that has no reference to anything.. good grief.

10 straight years leading the team in scoring is a real stat 14 straight years leading the team in win shares is a real stat, five eastern conference finals is a real stat., five All Star appearances is a real stat. Saying Reggie is lucky Skiles  who was a bench warmer who made a grand total of 26 three pointers in two season with the Pacers, was on the team when he was drafted is nonsense, Implying Reggie was fortunate  that Pearson and Schrempf who were both long gone during a ten year stretch where the Pacers were the best team behind the Jordan Bulls is nonsense. Saying Reggie is lucky because Versace coached him for one year and that due to him every single offense that Reggie played in for the following 16 years under 5 different coaches was tailored around him is... not even nonsense, it's literally IQ plummeting. Every human being who had the misfortune of reading your above reply is dumber for having read it. 

 

 

Facts were given.  Were you even Alive when Reggie was drafted?  Dr. Jack said that Reggie would be a great shooter but he did not put a system in to benefit Reggie because Reggie's shooting form was too slow to be a very successful catch and release shooter.  I give Reggie Credit because not man guys can catch and shoot off the pick as well as he did.  So an Indy game after Ramsay... when Versace took over was Reggie Running through several picks until he could get a glimpse of being open and he would hit the three. 

Versace put the system in that made Reggie an Allstar. 

His own words

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I think I did a damn good job. I helped make Reggie Miller an all-star. We finished the `88-89 season strong, and in `89-90 we won 42 and lost 40;  only the second time they`d ever had a winning season."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-02-09-9201130148-story.html

Until you show me some real facts instead of this stuff that you're spewing, you're not worth the time Holic.  I've heard Reggie talk about the fact that Ramsay was a great basketball mind but he didn't run a system that could make me stand out.   Did you ever watch the Pacers play??  Sheez...  What Versace started was what became food and drink for the Pacers.   Getting Reggie Free by any means. 

No team since has put that much effort into getting their shooter open.. not even Golden State.   And yes.. Reggie TS was boosted by going to the foul line and his going to the Foul line was boosted by him throwing a leg out because people chasing him around picks would catch up but not in time.

He was a great shooter but you put all the success of Indy on him?  Other way around.. He was a great system player.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, AHF said:

Reggie Miller was a killer.  You are seriously underrating him, D.

 

OMG... everytime somebody questions Reggie Miller, somebody pulls the 8 pt in 9 seconds video out their butt....  (Coming to America Voice).

But, in all seriousness... this very footage speaks to exactly what I'm talking about.  ON the first shot, look at how many picks Reggie ran the defender through.   Miller needed separation to be effective.  That wasn't by chance.. the Pacers built their whole offensive system on that. For years.   It wasn't that way in Reggie's first two years because the Pacers had the Rifleman who didn't need a screen to hit a shot. 

Here's some proof..

All-Star Games

 
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1989-90 24 IND NBA SG 1 0 14:00 2 3 .667 0 1 .000 0 0   0 1 3 1 0 0 1 4
1994-95 29 IND NBA SG 1 1 23:00 3 9 .333 3 6 .500 0 0   0 0 2 1 1 1 0 9
1995-96 30 IND NBA SG 1 0 18:00 4 8 .500 0 4 .000 0 0   0 2 2 1 0 1 2 8
1997-98 32 IND NBA SG 1 0 20:00 6 8 .750 1 2 .500 1 2 .500 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 14
1999-00 34 IND NBA SG 1 0 21:00 1 7 .143 1 6 .167 2 2 1.000 0 2 3 1 0 1 1 5
Career     NBA   5 1 96 16 35 .457 5 19 .263 3 4 .750 0 5 10 5 1 3 6 40

 

You ever wonder why Reggie never looked like anything in the allstar games?  No Screens.

I know... somebody says... well It's the allstar game blah blah blah..

What do you think Klay does when he goes to the Allstar Game?

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15 24 GSW NBA SG 1 1 19:43 2 11 .182 1 9 .111 2 2 1.000 1 4 6 0 0 0 0 7
2015-16 25 GSW NBA SG 1 0 21:05 3 11 .273 3 10 .300 0 0   1 2 2 1 0 0 0 9
2016-17 26 GSW NBA SG 1 0 17:37 5 9 .556 2 6 .333 0 0   0 2 5 0 0 0 1 12
2017-18 27 GSW NBA SG 1 0 21:25 5 11 .455 5 10 .500 0 0   1 4 0 0 0 1 0 15
2018-19 28 GSW NBA SG 1 0 22:18 7 16 .438 6 12 .500 0 0   1 8 4 1 0 0 2 20
Career     NBA   5 1 102 22 58 .379 17 47 .362 2 2 1.000 4 20 17 2 0 1 3 63

 

Oh. I know... somebody is going to say... Klay plays in a different era.  They shoot the three more.  OK...  

What do you think Glenn Rice did when we went to the Allstar Game?

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1995-96 28 CHH NBA SF 1 0 15:00 1 5 .200 1 2 .500 4 4 1.000 0 1 2 0 0 2 2 7
1996-97 29 CHH NBA SF 1 0 25:00 10 24 .417 4 7 .571 2 2 1.000 1 1 1 2 0 1 2 26
1997-98 30 CHH NBA SF 1 0 16:00 6 14 .429 4 6 .667 0 0   1 1 0 0 0 1 0 16
Career     NBA   3 0 56 17 43 .395 9 15 .600 6 6 1.000 2 3 3 2 0 4 4

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The point is that I would never take anything away from Reggie but we're lying if we say that the offensive system of Indy was built for Reggie to succeed.  Nobody before and Nobody since has had an offensive system that was built around getting one man free using several screens.

 

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4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

OMG... everytime somebody questions Reggie Miller, somebody pulls the 8 pt in 9 seconds video out their butt....  (Coming to America Voice).

But, in all seriousness... this very footage speaks to exactly what I'm talking about.  ON the first shot, look at how many picks Reggie ran the defender through.   Miller needed separation to be effective.  That wasn't by chance.. the Pacers built their whole offensive system on that. For years.   It wasn't that way in Reggie's first two years because the Pacers had the Rifleman who didn't need a screen to hit a shot. 

Here's some proof..

All-Star Games

 
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career     NBA   5 1 96 16 35 .457 5 19 .263 3 4 .750 0 5 10 5 1 3 6 40
1989-90 24 IND NBA SG 1 0 14:00 2 3 .667 0 1 .000 0 0   0 1 3 1 0 0 1 4
1994-95 29 IND NBA SG 1 1 23:00 3 9 .333 3 6 .500 0 0   0 0 2 1 1 1 0 9
1995-96 30 IND NBA SG 1 0 18:00 4 8 .500 0 4 .000 0 0   0 2 2 1 0 1 2 8
1997-98 32 IND NBA SG 1 0 20:00 6 8 .750 1 2 .500 1 2 .500 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 14
1999-00 34 IND NBA SG 1 0 21:00 1 7 .143 1 6 .167 2 2 1.000 0 2 3 1 0 1 1 5

 

You ever wonder why Reggie never looked like anything in the allstar games?  No Screens.

I know... somebody says... well It's the allstar game blah blah blah..

What do you think Klay does when he goes to the Allstar Game?

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career     NBA   5 1 102 22 58 .379 17 47 .362 2 2 1.000 4 20 17 2 0 1 3 63
2014-15 24 GSW NBA SG 1 1 19:43 2 11 .182 1 9 .111 2 2 1.000 1 4 6 0 0 0 0 7
2015-16 25 GSW NBA SG 1 0 21:05 3 11 .273 3 10 .300 0 0   1 2 2 1 0 0 0 9
2016-17 26 GSW NBA SG 1 0 17:37 5 9 .556 2 6 .333 0 0   0 2 5 0 0 0 1 12
2017-18 27 GSW NBA SG 1 0 21:25 5 11 .455 5 10 .500 0 0   1 4 0 0 0 1 0 15
2018-19 28 GSW NBA SG 1 0 22:18 7 16 .438 6 12 .500 0 0   1 8 4 1 0 0 2 20

 

Oh. I know... somebody is going to say... Klay plays in a different era.  They shoot the three more.  OK...  

What do you think Glenn Rice did when we went to the Allstar Game?

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Career     NBA   3 0 56 17 43 .395 9 15 .600 6 6 1.000 2 3 3 2 0 4 4

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1995-96 28 CHH NBA SF 1 0 15:00 1 5 .200 1 2 .500 4 4 1.000 0 1 2 0 0 2 2 7
1996-97 29 CHH NBA SF 1 0 25:00 10 24 .417 4 7 .571 2 2 1.000 1 1 1 2 0 1 2 26
1997-98 30 CHH NBA SF 1 0 16:00 6 14 .429 4 6 .667 0 0   1 1 0 0 0 1 0 16

 

The point is that I would never take anything away from Reggie but we're lying if we say that the offensive system of Indy was built for Reggie to succeed.  Nobody before and Nobody since has had an offensive system that was built around getting one man free using several screens.

 

LMFAO.

 

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27 minutes ago, Diesel said:

OMG... everytime somebody questions Reggie Miller, somebody pulls the 8 pt in 9 seconds video out their butt....  (Coming to America Voice).

But, in all seriousness... this very footage speaks to exactly what I'm talking about.  ON the first shot, look at how many picks Reggie ran the defender through.   Miller needed separation to be effective.  That wasn't by chance.. the Pacers built their whole offensive system on that. For years.   It wasn't that way in Reggie's first two years because the Pacers had the Rifleman who didn't need a screen to hit a shot. 

Here's some proof..

All-Star Games

 
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1989-90 24 IND NBA SG 1 0 14:00 2 3 .667 0 1 .000 0 0   0 1 3 1 0 0 1 4
1994-95 29 IND NBA SG 1 1 23:00 3 9 .333 3 6 .500 0 0   0 0 2 1 1 1 0 9
1995-96 30 IND NBA SG 1 0 18:00 4 8 .500 0 4 .000 0 0   0 2 2 1 0 1 2 8
1997-98 32 IND NBA SG 1 0 20:00 6 8 .750 1 2 .500 1 2 .500 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 14
1999-00 34 IND NBA SG 1 0 21:00 1 7 .143 1 6 .167 2 2 1.000 0 2 3 1 0 1 1 5
Career     NBA   5 1 96 16 35 .457 5 19 .263 3 4 .750 0 5 10 5 1 3 6 40

 

You ever wonder why Reggie never looked like anything in the allstar games?  No Screens.

I know... somebody says... well It's the allstar game blah blah blah..

What do you think Klay does when he goes to the Allstar Game?

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15 24 GSW NBA SG 1 1 19:43 2 11 .182 1 9 .111 2 2 1.000 1 4 6 0 0 0 0 7
2015-16 25 GSW NBA SG 1 0 21:05 3 11 .273 3 10 .300 0 0   1 2 2 1 0 0 0 9
2016-17 26 GSW NBA SG 1 0 17:37 5 9 .556 2 6 .333 0 0   0 2 5 0 0 0 1 12
2017-18 27 GSW NBA SG 1 0 21:25 5 11 .455 5 10 .500 0 0   1 4 0 0 0 1 0 15
2018-19 28 GSW NBA SG 1 0 22:18 7 16 .438 6 12 .500 0 0   1 8 4 1 0 0 2 20
Career     NBA   5 1 102 22 58 .379 17 47 .362 2 2 1.000 4 20 17 2 0 1 3 63

 

Oh. I know... somebody is going to say... Klay plays in a different era.  They shoot the three more.  OK...  

What do you think Glenn Rice did when we went to the Allstar Game?

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1995-96 28 CHH NBA SF 1 0 15:00 1 5 .200 1 2 .500 4 4 1.000 0 1 2 0 0 2 2 7
1996-97 29 CHH NBA SF 1 0 25:00 10 24 .417 4 7 .571 2 2 1.000 1 1 1 2 0 1 2 26
1997-98 30 CHH NBA SF 1 0 16:00 6 14 .429 4 6 .667 0 0   1 1 0 0 0 1 0 16
Career     NBA   3 0 56 17 43 .395 9 15 .600 6 6 1.000 2 3 3 2 0 4 4

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The point is that I would never take anything away from Reggie but we're lying if we say that the offensive system of Indy was built for Reggie to succeed.  Nobody before and Nobody since has had an offensive system that was built around getting one man free using several screens.

 

You're doing some real mental gymnastics here to discredit reggie lol... all-star games...? come on 

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I'll take 3x All-NBA, 2x receiving MVP votes, and 5x All-Star and this groups of comparables:

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Over "not good enough to avoid coming off the bench behind Bogdan Bogdanovic", made the All-Rookie team, and these comparables:

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2 hours ago, AHF said:

I'll take 3x All-NBA, 2x receiving MVP votes, and 5x All-Star and this groups of comparables:

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Over "not good enough to avoid coming off the bench behind Bogdan Bogdanovic", made the All-Rookie team, and these comparables:

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Nobody is taking away his accolades.   Just saying he had a team that was built to make his strong points look good.   He was a great shooter off the screen.  That's all the Pacers did with Reggie.   They set screen after screen.  Today's shooter's don't work that way and many of them have higher shooting percentages and 3 pt output than  than Reggie.  That's all that was said.  Buddy Buckets is one of those. 

Here's the thing though...  When Klay Thompson finishes his career.  His career numbers 3pt % and 3 pters made will make Reggie Miller look like a midrange shooter who shot the 3 pter on occassion.   The question is Will Klay get into the Hall?  There will probably be some talk against him going into the Hall.   But if they let Reggie in.. you got to let Klay in. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Atlantaholic said:

But one uses screens. Screens!

I'm going to use part of an argument for Reggie not being HOF worthy:

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The Pacers’ guard NEVER made a first or second All-NBA team in his illustrious 18-year career. Some of the names whom people thought were more worthy of the accolade: Kevin Johnson, Dale Ellis, Mark
Price, Tim Hardaway, Drazen Petrovic, Mitch Richmond and Rod Strickland to name a few. All were good players, just like Miller, and none are worthy of Hall of Fame recognition, just like Miller.

 

So during Miller’s prime years, his peers and the writers who covered him never viewed him as better than the fifth best guard in the league. In fact, 14 out of 18 of those years he was not even considered a top six guard. Again hall of what?

The numbers get worse as you review his All-Star selections. In the five years Miller made the All-Star game, he was voted in by the fans once and the coaches selected him the other four years.

This begs the question: If the fans and coaches did not consider him an All-Star guard who is gassing him for the Hall?

When asked what part of Miller’s game, other than shooting, was done at an elite level it was not asked from a place of malice, but to reconfirm his rightful position among NBA players. The guard is believed to be more than what he actually is. His peers regarded him as a good player worthy of mention, but not concern. 

How does above average get confused for exceptional? There were certainly moments the guard was unbelievable, but not seasons, which is who the Hall of Fame should be reserved for.

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Miller could not dribble around you or post you up to score so please let us not confuse him for a scorer. He was active and ran off screens well, which makes him better than say a Rip Hamilton, but not in the same group of say a JoJo White. The Riverside native’s defense was suspect at best and was exposed whenever he played an explosive player; see Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Reggie Lewis, Penny Hardaway and Rip Hamilton.

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A guard who cannot rebound at a high level, distribute the ball at a high level and defend at a high level is barely an All-Star and should never be considered a Hall of Famer. To date the Hall has fell victim to the hype and ignored the production.

As have Holic.

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