Steve Nash criticizes Trae Young

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

KD, Kylie and every superstar for the last 30+ years have gotten calls.  Hawks have never really had that guy that refs respect.  Kiss my grits Nash.

Lip reading a coach arguing calls with refs does not warrant a "kiss my grits." Coaches argue calls even when they know they are the right calls. That's their job. Nash was extremely complimentary of Trae following the game. 

[AHF]

19 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Lip reading a coach arguing calls with refs does not warrant a "kiss my grits." Coaches argue calls even when they know they are the right calls. That's their job. Nash was extremely complimentary of Trae following the game. 

If you tasted my shrimp and grits you’d happily kiss them for a plate.

[AHF]

(Oh and on the topic of the thread, @bleachkit is right that context is key here and it seems a non-issue.  Nash wants his guys to stop fouling Young.  He can’t stop them from bumping him so he is trying to argue that the refs should just overlook it.  Following that with compliments of Trae and the Hawks during the media interviews makes this a non-issue.)

[thecampster]

Let me take a second and respond to Steve Nash.

1. It is 100% a basketball play.  Basketball is as much about chess as it is about athleticism (see Kevin McHale). The 2-3 hip attached fouls per game gives Trae room to operate. It is no different than the 30 ft 3. He makes them enough that it forces the defense to pick him up out there, creating space for others to operate.

2. It is very much legal. The offensive player has the right to any space not occupied by other player. They are free to do whatever they want within that space as long as it doesn't violate any other rules. Stopping and shooting from any angle, any way is permitted. A defensive player violating that space, from any angle, any method is a foul.

 

Nash is just angry he didn't figure it out when he played.

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

Let me take a second and respond to Steve Nash.

1. It is 100% a basketball play.  Basketball is as much about chess as it is about athleticism (see Kevin McHale). The 2-3 hip attached fouls per game gives Trae room to operate. It is no different than the 30 ft 3. He makes them enough that it forces the defense to pick him up out there, creating space for others to operate.

2. It is very much legal. The offensive player has the right to any space not occupied by other player. They are free to do whatever they want within that space as long as it doesn't violate any other rules. Stopping and shooting from any angle, any way is permitted. A defensive player violating that space, from any angle, any method is a foul.

 

Nash is just angry he didn't figure it out when he played.

You're ignoring context. He's arguing the calls to ref. Any coach would do the same. He's not publicly taking issue with the calls.

[Diesel]

Nash is just doing what a coach is supposed to do.. get in the ref's head.   He knows that we play them today and he wants to take up space in the ref's head when it comes to Trae.  Truth is that Kyrie does the same sh---. So my thinking is that Trae should play his game and not get into the politics. 

 

[RedDawg#8]

25 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

You're ignoring context. He's arguing the calls to ref. Any coach would do the same. He's not publicly taking issue with the calls.

Exactly. I did the same thing when I was coach of our intramural team.

Its all political really, making your best argument to get the refs to be on your side.

I would loudly yell to the team that the refs werent calling fouls for our us, and not to expect a whistle in our favor. I made sure the refs heard me and took offense. We got the next few calls in our favor just to spite me I truly believe. Refs are humans and you can press on their judgement. Nash probably likes that call for his guys, but against him he has to make it sound so bad that the refs start to hesitate just a little bit. 

[marco102]

20 hours ago, High5 said:

When guys are directly trailing him and he pumps the brakes then that’s a clear foul IMO. The one where he jumps back to either side is BS, but it’s not Trae’s fault if the refs call it.

I do worry about Trae playing too much for the whistle. It feels like he has only made a few jumpers since the opener. But it’s still very early. 

Lol, it's a fade away jumper.  No way they can make that illegal.  I mean he's def foul hunting with that one, but smart players take advantage of the rules.

[High5]

1 hour ago, marco102 said:

Lol, it's a fade away jumper.  No way they can make that illegal.  I mean he's def foul hunting with that one, but smart players take advantage of the rules.

Lol no one in the history of the world has shot a fadeaway that resembles that.

[JeffS17]

23 hours ago, NBASupes said:

It was a foul. If you don't like the call. Don't play him so f***ing tight 

If it was a natural shooting motion pull up jumper I'd agree with you but he bowed his back into an arch to get the contact... to be fair to Trae, most of the fouls he drew were genuine shot attempts but of course they will make a video of the one egregious one.  I don't necessarily know how to enforce it but I think the rule should be it's a foul on the offensive player if it's not a natural shot.  Like when guys double pump before the contact even comes to make sure they draw the foul or what Trae did where he actually arches his back to get contact like come on Trae we know your shot doesnt involve you going hunchback lol

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, High5 said:

Lol no one in the history of the world has shot a fadeaway that resembles that.

I mean again, I agree, but the defender was there, so Trae couldn't make it look smooth. 

[QuantumHawkz]

Steve Nash is just mad because he didn't think of it first . Trae is just crafty and I noticed he didn't do it tonight......I wonder if the Association had a talk with him.

[macdaddy]

 

 

[NBASupes]

On 1/2/2021 at 1:23 AM, QuantumHawkz said:

Steve Nash is just mad because he didn't think of it first . Trae is just crafty and I noticed he didn't do it tonight......I wonder if the Association had a talk with him.

He was the master of the move. 

[marco102]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

He was the master of the move. 

Youngins...lol

[bleachkit]

It's the coaches job to argue calls. Nash didn't voice anything publicly, which is much different than arguing with refs in game, which basically all coaches do.

[RedDawg#8]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He was the master of the move. 

Trae learned it directly from his idol,  Steve!! lol

[macdaddy]

 

Not to beat it into the ground but there are plays where Trae does jump backwards.  This isn't one of them.   He just stops and goes straight up.  Defender is waaay to close as evidence by him having his hand on Trae's hip from behind.   This absolutely is basketball.   If they start eliminating the jump backward i'm fine with that but stopping because the defender is right on your back is just a smart play.  

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

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“It works really well for me because I’m able to score so well off the pick-and-roll, and now with the people we’ve added this year, it’s hard to help off shooters,” Young said on Jan. 6. “The guy who is guarding me has to fight over the screen and can’t go under the screen. When you go over a screen, you have to fight quick and hard. There’s times when I get over a screen and get downhill, and there are times when our big man will slip out, and the defender will run right into me. That’s just something you learn with instincts over time.

“There’s times where I do it, and it’s just my instincts. When you feel the momentum of the defender fighting over screens — it’s hard for a fan to really realize how close the defender is to me on the screen. With his momentum, I can feel them moving forward. So, for me, it’s not that I’m jumping back. I’m really just stopping, playing where I’m at and going straight up, which is what I’m allowed to do. Their momentum carries into me, and that’s what happens.”

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“I saw that it blew up and everyone was talking about it,” Young said of Nash’s comments. “I bet if I was playing for Steve, he’d be happy. It’s something in the midst of competition that he was wanting to win, and I was wanting to win, and I’m gonna do whatever it takes. I think him wanting to get in the refs’ ears a little bit was just trying to help him. I learned a lot about drawing fouls from him. If he says it’s not basketball, he must’ve been saying it about himself because he’s done it a couple of times throughout his career and was so successful.”

 

[JeffS17]

19 hours ago, macdaddy said:

 

Not to beat it into the ground but there are plays where Trae does jump backwards.  This isn't one of them.   He just stops and goes straight up.  Defender is waaay to close as evidence by him having his hand on Trae's hip from behind.   This absolutely is basketball.   If they start eliminating the jump backward i'm fine with that but stopping because the defender is right on your back is just a smart play.  

Ehhh this one wasn't the most egregious but it wasn't exactly a natural pull up jumper... look at this still from 0:04

 

That's not how Trae shoots... two hands on the ball hunged at his hip???  Trae has like 1 foul every 3 games that arguably should be an offensive foul.  This probably isn't one of them but it's by no means a genuine shot attempt -- if it was he would have dribbled closer and floated it in.  Why else is he going to pull up just inside the 3P line with this awkward shooting form lol... I get it Trae is our guy and we gotta defend him but I'll be happy if he takes this out of his game and focuses on scoring.  I really do think part of the reason some of his finishing around the rim is suffering is because he's focused on too much right now, including baiting fouls.