Premium Member NineOhTheRino Posted January 13, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I read Trae Young is passing to John Collins less often. Here’s why that’s no big deal (yahoo.com) Kalbrosky is saying that John Collins getting fewer touches is a function of the team adding more talent. Cool, I get it. What I don't get is allowing the offense to stray away from the most consistent player. I suspect, like most, that the dustup revolves around JC getting a good contract. But, why is that a problem? JC is the most efficient player. Technically De'Andre Hunter is but it's so close that it's a tie. If JC gets his touches the Hawks will play a more consistent style of offense. More consistent offense means they win mores games. If the result of that is JC gets a bigger contract...everybody wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted January 13, 2021 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I also believe opposing teams have wised up to our Trae/Collings PnR and are forcing us to beat them another way. Collins is often double teamed under the hoop and the driving lanes haven't been there for Trae. Most teams will live with him jacking up 30 footers. Guys like Cam, Dre, Huerter, and Bogi are the ones that need to step up which Dre and Huerter have... This team has been exposed by the injuries. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted January 13, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said: I also believe opposing teams have wised up to our Trae/Collings PnR and are forcing us to beat them another way. Collins is often double teamed under the hoop and the driving lanes haven't been there for Trae. Most teams will live with him jacking up 30 footers. Guys like Cam, Dre, Huerter, and Bogi are the ones that need to step up which Dre and Huerter have... This team has been exposed by the injuries. Agreed. Open shots are there, we have to hit them. Shooters have to knock down shots. Edited January 13, 2021 by RedDawg#8 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted January 13, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I think there are more options for sure but issues this team has had aren't Trae/JC. It's when those guys aren't on the court. The top 8, 3 man combos on the team all include Collins. And most include Trae (although not the top 2, full disclosure). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted January 13, 2021 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said: Agreed. Open shots are there, we have to hit them. Shooters have to knock down shots. And when those shooters start hitting their shots, the PnR will open back up for Trae and Collins. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted January 13, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Obviously something was said that really affected Trae. I personally don't think it was as minor as some downplay it to be, but I don't think there's a rift. Certainly if there ever was a rift, there's nothing left to it on the court. Trae wants to win and he knows what kind of synergy he has with Collins. What's happening with JC is a matter of team maturity, new talent, and teams coming after our bread and butter. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted January 13, 2021 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 This is the next step really. You don't get to the top without building a culture where you can constructively call teammates out on poor play. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 I think this is a problem for Collins but not for Trae. I think Collins or someone with his group leaked the film session info. Trae looks to be over it and he is passing to everyone. The body language on the floor looks cordial and friendly enough between them. But it does not look the same. If Hunter keeps this up, I look for him to overtake Collins in touches per game. A 3D SF with a .652 TS% is a natural fit with Trae. Collins and Capella are natural fits diving for lobs. While Collins is also useful shooting a three as well. This is my hot take on the film session drama. Take it with a grain of salt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 14, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 That .652 isn’t sustainable, fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted January 14, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, AHF said: That .652 isn’t sustainable, fwiw. What do you mean? Why are your thoughts so regressive? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Teams been selling out to our PnR all season and were doing it last season. We just gotta make open 3s 1 hour ago, Buzzard said: I think this is a problem for Collins but not for Trae. I think Collins or someone with his group leaked the film session info. Trae looks to be over it and he is passing to everyone. The body language on the floor looks cordial and friendly enough between them. But it does not look the same. If Hunter keeps this up, I look for him to overtake Collins in touches per game. A 3D SF with a .652 TS% is a natural fit with Trae. Collins and Capella are natural fits diving for lobs. While Collins is also useful shooting a three as well. This is my hot take on the film session drama. Take it with a grain of salt. That's an insane TS for a wing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted January 14, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 I love Hunter but I'll be a believer in him taking the next step when he becomes more aggressive. He still passes up a lot of good looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted January 14, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 21 hours ago, NineOhTheRino said: Kalbrosky is saying that John Collins getting fewer touches is a function of the team adding more talent. Cool, I get it. The only new player in the rotation against Philly was Capela and john got only 7 shots in that game all 3's. This is not a increase in talent issue. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: The only new player in the rotation against Philly was Capela and john got only 7 shots in that game all 3's. This is not a increase in talent issue. It's the offense that we're running. And that's on the coaching. LP would rather live with Trae taking a 35 footer off the dribble, than getting the ball to Collins on a set play. And you can make the case that Collins' 3 point attempts need to be at 5 per game, which are roughly the number of 3 attempts that Hunter and Reddish take. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 hours ago, NBASupes said: Teams been selling out to our PnR all season and were doing it last season. We just gotta make open 3s That's an insane TS for a wing. It is and his is not the best among SF who average 15 or more points per game. Hunter ranks 4th. Middleton, George, and Bridges have a higher TS%. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 12 hours ago, AHF said: That .652 isn’t sustainable, fwiw. Probably not. The 3PT% and FT% might be but shooting over .500 from the field is most likely not. These are his shooting splits. 51.8/43.5/85.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: It's the offense that we're running. And that's on the coaching. LP would rather live with Trae taking a 35 footer off the dribble, than getting the ball to Collins on a set play. And you can make the case that Collins' 3 point attempts need to be at 5 per game, which are roughly the number of 3 attempts that Hunter and Reddish take. Huerter takes 6.0, Reddish takes 5.2, Hunter takes 4.6. and Collins takes 3.3. I imagine at least one three a game for everyone not named Collins is because they move better with the ball and take a three. Dribble, pump fake etc... Edited January 14, 2021 by Buzzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 14, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 42 minutes ago, Buzzard said: It is and his is not the best among SF who average 15 or more points per game. Hunter ranks 4th. Middleton, George, and Bridges have a higher TS%. These are all a product of small sample size. After 7 or so games, you see some people way out on the extremes of the bell curve. Those extremes move towards the middle as the season progresses and you amass a more meaningful number of games. Paul George, for example, has played over 22,000 minutes and has a career TS% of .567 and a career high of .589. He isn't finishing the season at .675 unless he suffers a season ending injury. Hopefully Hunter continues with his very significant improvement from last year's .521 but I don't see him sustaining his current scoring efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Buzzard said: Huerter takes 6.0, Reddish takes 5.2, Hunter takes 4.6. and Collins takes 3.3. I imagine at least one three a game for everyone not named Collins is because they move better with the ball and take a three. Dribble, pump fake etc... We can start running specific plays to free up Collins for more 3 point shots, even if it means more guys outside of Trae, drive and kick the ball out to him. This game was played for decades with ways to effectively get the ball to big men who could shoot. The Hawks should at least be able to find more touches for Collins . . unless there's something more sinister going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted January 14, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: We can start running specific plays to free up Collins for more 3 point shots, even if it means more guys outside of Trae, drive and kick the ball out to him. This game was played for decades with ways to effectively get the ball to big men who could shoot. The Hawks should at least be able to find more touches for Collins . . unless there's something more sinister going on. Seemed to be what they were doing last game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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