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2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

I'm a Collins defender, but I was disappointed in his play tonight. 

If he wants that money next summer, he must be more aggressive and decisive when he gets the ball.

He deserves love as he's a good player but dude isn't someone that should take 20% of anyone's salary cap and you want to win big in this league.

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2 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

Dunn was supposed to test Trae in practice and fight for some of his minutes as an alternative when Trae gonna Trae.  Without that we’re just in bad shape, let alone missing Cam’s length for Lilliard.

Dunn is not that good. He's a defensive role player.

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1 minute ago, terrell said:

Inefficient chucker right now..1-11 then 7-23..Good lord..Trying to tell yall we'd be a better team right now with an efficient pg like Haliburton..smh. Trae killin us..And dont get me started on his defense..

He's all flash and no substance smh

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1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

I was worried in the preseason. Ya'll told me, he just needs the regular season. I didn't agree but it seemed correct in the first three games. Then Steve Nash happened.

I wasn't here but was trea just gabbing on dlive with hield all summer?

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5 minutes ago, JTB said:

I just don’t understand what’s up with Trae this season. He played a lot better tonight just because he was his typical aggressive self offensively but still made boneheaded plays.

the boneheaded plays didn’t come until the 4th though which is the worse time to be taking risk 

He was making them all game long, but he certainly does start the hero ball in the clutch and make everything worse and a fool of himself.

 

Trae makes so many passes/lobs in the lane that have about a 20% chance of working.  It leads to one or two amazing assists per game, and 5+ TOs and giveaways.  And the inability to get in any offensive rhythm for himself or the team.  What a waste of talent.

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Just now, JTB said:

Is it due to the 8-9 month layoff ???? 
 

i don’t want to give him an excuse but I also don’t want to overreact and call for trading him like some fans are starting to do. But man I can’t take it. Trae need to get his floater working first and then worry about the 3 ball later and not take the deep 3s at ALL.

Trae knows he’s off too I can see it in his face.

Maybe. I don't know. He was always a pretty good shooter. Right now, I see him and Kevin struggling shooting the rock this year compared to years past. The biggest thing i noticed is he is passing up good looks and setting for tough looks. 

But his floaters are the same floaters as always but they just aren't leaving his hands accurately. They look like Cam's. All over the place and Cam deaded the floater because he couldn't get it under control but Trae needs it. Maybe you are right, maybe the break messed with his shot.

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3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I was worried in the preseason. Ya'll told me, he just needs the regular season. I didn't agree but it seemed correct in the first three games. Then Steve Nash happened.

My gut told me the preseason issues weren't meaningless too.

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3 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

I'm a Collins defender, but I was disappointed in his play tonight. 

If he wants that money next summer, he must be more aggressive and decisive when he gets the ball.

Honestly I’m disappointed that we aren’t calling more plays for him . He hit that size up mid range jumper a few times tonight and it reminded me of David West. If collins can make that size up midrange a go to move then he needs plays for him a lot more as well as hunter 

Hunter reminds me so much of Joe Johnson when he’s aggressive at mid range but of course we don’t see it enough.

Pierce really need to start calling plays for Hunter and Collins more. And I don’t understand why they take so long with throwing in entry passes to the post smh 

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I shoulda known something was off with Trae when he came in this season and looked like he didn't gain one pound of muscle

 

I mean bruh u had 9 months to build muscle and strength and u look just as scrawny as you've always looked. And then has the nerve to make that weak ass "running in sand" video lol

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13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Bro, his shot is broke. It's been broke all year including preseason where he had a 6 PIE. Cam had a 5.9 PIE for his entire rookie year just to show you how bad Trae preseason was. He hasn't shot well at all this year. 3pt shot, broke. Floater, broke. He just can't get in rhythm. He scored a lot tonight but it was mainly free throws and jacking up shots. Portland perimeter defense is ass and he still couldn't make them pay. 

Schlenk probably wont do it, but we need to draft another young pg next year if we're in the lottery.(and not a 6'0 one either)Shouldve taken one this year(Hali). smh. When Trae shot is off, he's pretty useless..Might be best as 6th man Instant offense type.....Idk man..Not gonna give up on him totally until I see him with a better Head Coach though..But he's really bad right now..

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2 minutes ago, klharper said:

He was making them all game long, but he certainly does start the hero ball in the clutch and make everything worse and a fool of himself.

 

Trae makes so many passes/lobs in the lane that have about a 20% chance of working.  It leads to one or two amazing assists per game, and 5+ TOs and giveaways.  And the inability to get in any offensive rhythm for himself or the team.  What a waste of talent.

To be honest, Trae been missing on lobs too this year a lot more than last. I really think the break might have impacted our guys more than expected. 

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23 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

Casuals will see the stat line and think Trae had a good game lol

 

Another trash game from him

 

Let's hear them excuses

Trae -11, Lilliard +18 is very surprising.  That’s usually the type of crazy +/- gap I saw regularly against the Smart, Brogdon, Lowry types last season.  It’s actually amazing how hollow his and Karl-Anthony’s crazy numbers can be due to fatal flaws.

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Just now, benhillboy said:

Trae -11, Lilliard +18 is very surprising.  That’s usually the type of crazy +/- gap I saw regularly against guys like a Smart or Lowry last season.  It’s actually amazing how hollow his and Karl-Anthony’s crazy numbers can be due to fatal flaws.

KAT is legit. If Trae was playing like he was last year with this year's squad, he would be legit too. Trae is simply playing awful Basketball. 

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Just now, benhillboy said:

Trae -11, Lilliard +18 is very surprising.  That’s usually the type of crazy +/- gap I saw regularly against guys like a Smart or Lowry last season.  It’s actually amazing how hollow his and Karl-Anthony’s crazy numbers can be due to fatal flaws.

Exactly

 

 

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1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

To be honest, Trae been missing on lobs too this year a lot more than last. I really think the break might have impacted our guys more than expected. 

Everything is off. The floater, the three ball, the lob. His scoring on drives to the rim is the only thing that's been working for him, relatively speaking.

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Just now, NBASupes said:

To be honest, Trae been missing on lobs too this year a lot more than last. I really think the break might have impacted our guys more than expected. 

He’s just running around recklessly with no plan, going for the home run play anytime he gets a glimpse of one.  He misses so many “impossible layups/floaters” because he’s just running at bigs without any angle or advantage, hoping for a foul or a last minute bailout pass.  I get that’s part of his game, but it just ain’t working right now - he’s gotta have a more thought out approach.

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3 minutes ago, terrell said:

Schlenk probably wont do it, but we need to draft another young pg next year if we're in the lottery.(and not a 6'0 one either)Shouldve taken one this year(Hali). smh.

OO didnt get a single minute tonight. 

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9 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Dunn is not that good. He's a defensive role player.

We needed Haliburton..But LP probably wouldnt play him...smh

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2 minutes ago, terrell said:

Schlenk probably wont do it, but we need to draft another young pg next year if we're in the lottery. Shouldve taken one this year. smh. And not a 6'0 one either...

Trae really hasn't separated himself from young Marbury to me. I still don't know what he is yet. That said, I would bet he will be a multiple time all star but not playing like this.

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      Once Pastner comes down from his high, he’ll have his team ready to run Jim Boeheim and student journalist killer Coach K’s clubs right on out the Thrillerdome over the next seven days. That, and a first-round victory in the ACC Tourney will sew up a spot in the 68-team dance for the first time in eleven (miserable!) years. Even a slip-up or two, at this late stage, would simply mean a “first-round” affair with Directional Kentucky or somebody is in the offing.
      These Jackets have come a long way from blowing gimmes at McSqueamish Pavilion, to local lessers Georgia State and Mercer during the Thanksgiving break. At that time, hardly any other sports teams were playing, the heat lamp was squarely on the head coach, and the home fans were disgusted, disgruntled and just flat-out dissed, with no confidence their team would even deserve an invite to the CIT, never mind the NIT, once all was said and done on the 2020-21 season.
      What they’ve done since that low point – winning almost all their home games on The Flats, beating ranked and favored opponents here and abroad, beating the remaining teams they absolutely had to beat, coming through at closing time – ought to be inspirational to another Basketball Club dribbling aimlessly just down the road, one that actually gets paid for their name, image, likeness, and, we have been led to believe, their competitive spirit.
       
      Let’s Go Hawks! Or Not. At This Point, Just Do Whatever! The Checks Gon’ Clear Either Way.
      ~lw3
    • By lethalweapon3
      “WHO WANTS TO SEXTON?”
       
       
      Michael Carter-Williams had arrived.
      22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals, to help his lottery team defeat the juggernaut defending NBA champs in his professional debut. The sky was the limit.
      Brandon Jennings made his grand entrance.
      55 points on national TV, while a fellow rookie named Stephen Curry watched from the bench. A star was born.
      Jamaal Tinsley’s big moment was here.
      A triple double, featuring 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 23 assists, as a rookie, in a win against MJ’s Wizards. Pass the torch! The ceiling is the roof!
      What if you hopped into the Hot Tub Time Machine, and shared with these happy hipster hoopers that this was pretty much as good as their careers were going to get?
      “147–135 in double OT.
      Against a title contender.
      Against three Hall of Famers.
      In a game we knew they were up for. 
      W.”
      Just a few weeks ago, Collin Sexton scribed in the Players’ Tribune, “I put myself on the map.” The freshly fortified Brooklyn Nets showed up to Cleveland’s Quicken Loans Arena expecting a grand entrance. But it was Sexton who showed up Kevin Durant, James Harden, and former Cavaliers legend Kyrie Irving in double overtime, showing the Nets the door with a thrilling career-best 42-point bonanza and a 147-135 victory.
      “I love how people went into that game talking about them other dudes……. and came out of it talking about the Cavs,” the former Pebblebrook High star admitted in his ink-spilling essay. “I love that we’re catching these so-called experts by surprise.”
      “I love the idea of teams marking us down as a W on their calendar, based on who they thought we were last season… then catching an L they didn’t see coming.” Matter of fact, there are a few Atlanta Hawks hiding their Sharpies, too, particularly once these 2020 lottery teams left a January 2nd game with equal records at State Farm Arena, a 96-91 grindfest where Sexton’s 27 points led the way to victory. “We’re back on the map,” Young Bull decreed as his Cavs returned to .500 ball with a 7-7 record. “Let’s stay awhile.”
      I hate to be Rand McNally here, but as the Hawks visit Cleveland tonight (7 PM Eastern, Fox Sports Southeast and 92.9 FM in ATL, Fox Sports Ohio) on the front end of back-to-back games for each team, it feels like Sexton and the Cavs have already charted well off course.
      The Cavs pulled off the home sweep of the Nets two nights after Sexton’s signature performance on January 20, but have since dropped 14 of their past 16 to vie with their division-rival Pistons for the rights to the Eastern Conference cellar. After falling at home to Denver and OKC in this four-game homestand, by double digits for the 11th time in this stretch, Cleveland (10-21) hopes to avert their 11th consecutive loss this season tonight at the hands of the Hawks, who just beat the Nuggets in Atlanta on Sunday.
      It’s not Collin’s fault, at all, that GM Koby Altman still has Process-style designs for this club. Cleveland won those Nets games with Larry Nance and Andre Drummond holding the fort upfront. Nance would break a finger and will continue to sit out the next 2-4 weeks. The team also decided on Blakegriffining Drummond, lest he suffer a hangnail while delivering his customary double-doubles.
      Kevin Love remains mothballed, too. Taurean Prince, the former Hawk and Net thrown in with Jarrett Allen in the deal that made the Harden deal work for Brooklyn, has been sidelined with a sore ankle, doubtful to play today. The problematic Kevin Porter was shipped to Houston. Thon Maker hit the waiver wire.
      This leaves JB Bickerstaff to stir, as his frontcourt options, Allen and JaVale McGee, with a dash of Dean Wade and two-way player Lamar Stevens, to taste. The paper-thin rotation is also giving Sexton’s fellow Cobb Countian and lottery prize Isaac Okoro way more minutes than he can handle, sharing time chasing power forward with the decidedly Bazemorian Cedi Osman. But for the selection of Okoro with the 5th pick in 2020’s Draft, Onyeka Okongwu would be a very busy man right now.
      Sexton and Garland almost have to have signature nights just to keep Cleveland in the running. Frankly, Sexton’s map-making game almost didn’t come to pass. The Cavs blew a 13-point lead in the final quarter of regulation against Brooklyn, a lead built not so much with the aid of Sexton but with timely putbacks by Allen and shots by Prince, the vengeful former Nets. With the game on the line, tied with just seconds remaining, Harden stole the ball from Sexton but couldn’t convert after a Sexton non-shooting foul and a jump ball.
      Up to that point, Collin had a modest 20 points, 0-for-4 on threes, and just two assists. The layup and three-pointer in the final ten seconds which saved the game in the first OT period presaged the SportsCenter highlight reel that came in the second overtime. Four made threes, including some daring makes over the outstretched arms of Brooklyn’s stars, and 15 points in just five minutes.
      Since that career-defining scoring spree that almost didn’t happen, Sexton has sunk 18 threes in his past 17 games (31.6 3FG%), including a 1-for-6 outing against the Thunder on Sunday. He’s scoring on drives, getting to the line, and dishing the pill just fine since the swoon began (20.5 PPG, 45.6 FG%, 80.2 FT%, 4.2 APG in last 16 games). But with Garland (5.4 APG, 39.8 3FG%) serving as the point guard by default, the 6-foot-1 Sexton really needs that outside jumpshot to fall, and it simply isn’t happening, not like it was at the outset of the season (50.0 3FG% in his first 9 games, incl. the big win over Brooklyn).
      Even as Cleveland fades into tank-dom, Sexton still lives off a double-OT moment of majesty that, for Atlanta’s Trae Young, checks out as another day in the office. It’s not simply Atlanta sports fans, but the larger NBA media, that fail to note that while Trae lacks a winning pedigree thus far, he has hung buckets, and Ls, on superstars and media darlings alike.
      Before last season’s Bubble burst for Atlanta, Trae’s career-best of 50 came, in regulation, at the expense of a team few people suspected would be the Eastern Conference champions, outscoring beloved All-Stars Bam Outtadabayou and Jimmy Butler by his lonesome. In 2019-20 alone, he scored 42 or more points on ten occasions, upstaging Bradley Beal and, also not for the first time, Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic.
      Including Sunday’s headache-relieving win over road-weary Denver, Young has scored 35 or more in eight games this season, the entire octet resulting in wins for Atlanta (13-17). In the final game a voting subset of coaches might notice, he also took time out of his day to dish out a season-best 15 assists on Sunday, his 14th double-double in 28 starts (28 double-doubs in 60 games last year).
      Entering today, Young has his three-year career-bests with 43.9 FG%, 37.9 3FG%, and 88.5 FT%. His per-game turnovers, while high, is down from last year while chugging along with a career-best 9.5 APG, a proportion of which should be much higher among Hawks exec Travis Schlenk’s offseason additions.
      Alas, we like to gloss over the crossover. Using Rock & Roll Hall of Fame comparisons, Atlanta’s ace has become Jimi, on the nights the match struggles to light and the guitar doesn’t go up in flames. Young’s occasional struggles become worthy of critique, while his proliferative performances have become de rigueur.
      Trae got the Slovenian Bounce in 2020’s All-Star balloting, Euro-fans who liked Luka’s draft-buddy denying grumps and media blisters the opportunity to publicly stiff-arm Young when it came time for NBA coaches to pick the reserves. That chance arrives today, and just as you can guarantee there’s a poorly researched narrative regarding why Young has had his turn already, perhaps too soon, at the All-Star trough, you can also be certain there will be “Big Ups!” for the emerging Cavalier star who’s all of 157 days and three draft picks Trae’s junior.
      From the tele-pundits, Sexton gets the glitz, and Young gets the glum. Because Cleveland, for all its struggles, has been missing key pieces, you see. And, gee, did you not see what Sexton did to Brooklyn?
      No one will mention how Trae and the Hawks dusted Kyrie and KD by 18, in Brooklyn, already this season. Oh, and his team didn’t need Taurean and Jarrett’s help (then still Nets) to get it done, in regulation. But for the Nets stars’ heroics to help edge Trae (30-and-11) and the Hawks by four points two nights before, that would have been a two-game sweep, too.
      NBA coaches are a brighter breed than the TNT studio commentators. Hopefully, good judgement will prevail and Young will be among the East reserves, making Sir Charles’ gut growl audibly this evening. But if not, and Trae has to wait to become a very likely “injury” replacement, then the week his chances went awry began last month with the Hawks’ loss to Cleveland. (I shall spare everyone my annual gripe that there should be 8 All-Star reserves, not 7, just as there have been 13 required active players for NBA games even before David Stern was commissioner. You are welcome.)
      No team currently above Atlanta in the NBA East standings has played more games versus teams currently at or above .500. The Hawks, with the win over Denver, sit at 6-10 in those 16 contests. By comparison? Domantas Sabonis’ Pacers have only played 12 such games, and they’re 4-8. Khris Middleton’s Bucks are 5-8. Zach LaVine’s Bulls are 2-10. LaMelo and the do-gooder Hornets (darn it, Draymond!) are 4-9, Butler and Adebayo’s heat are 3-12. Just a half-game below Atlanta, Nik Vucevic’s Magic are 1-11. Yet it’s the Hawks, Young and questionable rotator Lloyd Pierce, that are perceived as not living up to their Nique-given potential.
      That’s really because of what’s going on in the other column. Atlanta’s 7-7 versus below .500 teams, and that includes the superfecta of defeats, at the hands of the Cavs, Knicks and Hornets (twice) from January 2-9, that bedevils Trae and the Hawks deep into February. Everyone of Trae’s critics, conveniently, can just look at Atlanta’s spot in the standings and tsk-tsk.
      Also 7-7, against teams like the Hawks and the Cavs, are the Cavs. Detroit and Cleveland are the only clubs in the NBA East that have endured tougher strengths of schedules (based on bball-ref’s recipe) than Atlanta. And the Hawks’ schedule won’t ease up much, not with Boston tomorrow as a home finale and a road swing through OKC, Miami and Orlando to conclude the half-season. (We are still about to get hit with a Bubble, aren’t we? Any good reason we don’t have a second-half schedule with 16 days remaining?)
      Hopefully the schedule gods will be kinder, soon. But to ever get above .500 this season, Atlanta has to consistently beat the teams below that mark, particularly those, like Cleveland, that seemed designed and resigned to that fate.
      In honor of Charlie Harper, the Cavs have settled into a two-and-a-half-man halfcourt offense (NBA-worst 104.0 O-Rating, 2nd-worst 15.6 TO%), with Garland bringing up the ball, Sexton creating off drives, and Allen or McGee cleaning up the many, many misses (29.3 team O-Reb%, 4th in NBA; 30.1% this month) for second-chance opportunities. This is far from the offense and contributors that Bickerstaff envisioned, but with Okoro, Osman, Prince, Damyean Dotson, So-Not-D-Wade and rookie Dylan Windler all shooting between 35 and 42 percent from the field (all below 33.3 3FG%), ya dance with what brung ya.
      Cleveland’s best chance at producing successful offense is from pressing and scoring inside in transition (53.7 paint points per-48, 2nd in NBA; 15.7 opponent TO%, 3rd in NBA). Young, Skylar Mays and the Hawks ballhandlers must be judicious with their handles under pressure from Okoro (1.2 SPG, highest among active Cavs with Nance and Drummond out), Garland and the like. With Cam Reddish and Kevin Huerter leading the way, the Hawks getting back on defense, after scores and live-ball turnovers, and packing the paint will be essential for keeping Cleveland on ice.
      Clint Capela (who deserves at least some mention during All-Star Reveal Night, NBA-high 13.9 RPG) was masterful versus Jokic on Sunday, and he will have his hands full once again keeping Cleveland’s few bigs off the offensive boards. The Cavs in their current configuration have no answer for John Collins (30.8 FG%, 0-for-8 on threes, 20 combined points in last 2 games), who should find himself feasting if he collects and keeps the ball off the ground. Same for Danilo “Salsa Piccante” Gallinari, who is capable of pairing with Tony Snell and helping Atlanta dominate the bench scoring if he’s not over-dribbling.
      It’s almost time for the All-Star Reveals! Whether Trae or Clint gets a nod or not tonight, hopefully they and the Hawks enjoy a quality, victorious game that doesn’t have the Atlanta-based TV hosts speaking disparagingly about Atlanta, while praising Sexton for whatever he’s doing on Cleveland’s behalf. Either way, I already have my volume set to zero for the grand occasion.
       
      Get well soon, Tiger. Let’s Go Hawks!
      ~lw3
    • By lethalweapon3
      “Psst… Trae! C'mere. You ever heard of Henny Youngman?”
       
      Here’s all I’ve got, ahead of today’s game between our host Atlanta Hawks and the Denver Nuggets (7:30 PM Eastern, Fox Sports Southeast and 92.9 FM in ATL, Altitude TV in DEN).
      Keep That Woman and That Family far, far away from All-Star Sunday in Atlanta. And, from Oklahoma. On any off-day before or after the break. Yes, Kougar Kim, this means y’all.
      Hawks fans, when was the last time you thought of Kris Humphries? It’s probably been more than 72 days, right? Exactly.
      Chandler Parsons thought he was in the clear after fooling around with Kendall, correct? Krash.
      LeBron had to leave sunny Florida to return home to icy Ohio, just to save Tristan Thompson from The Kurse that nearly ate Lamar Odom alive, and poor Tris still can’t quite escape (believe me, he’s tried). If they want to double-down on Canadians, they can go chase after Jamal Murray (career-high 50 points with no FTs on Friday, because he can make buckets with a hand or two in his face or with a nifty pass from his center and without pleading for help from the refs. Must be nice.) on their own time, not ours.
      D-Book! Be careful, young man. I'm not even talking about your pending stay in The A.
      I do not know the current cuffing statuses of Trae or JC or C-Redd or D-Hunt or Reddy V, and I don’t care to find out from TMZ, not until after at least, like, a postseason run or three. Let me catch Kim, or Kourt, or Kylie, or Cait, or Rob, anywhere around this town this March and I will personally call Mayor Keish and inform her of a citizens’ arrest underway.
      We’ve already got fifty-leven “Real” “House” “Wives”, wannabe Insta-celebs in this town who can’t get married, can’t stay married, and haven’t Swiffered a floor since the close of the Byzantine Empire.
      Listen to my mayor, Kim and Kompany. We Full!
       
      Let’s Go Hawks!
      ~lw3