Premium Member Popular Post Diesel Posted March 4, 2021 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 I, Myself would have thought Stockton or Kidd would have done it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted March 4, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 25 minutes ago, Diesel said: I, Myself would have thought Stockton or Kidd would have done it. Neither Stockton or Kidd were big scorers as they were spending that time playing defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, capstone21 said: Neither Stockton or Kidd were big scorers as they were spending that time playing defense Fair. No Iverson, Curry (assists), CP3 , Steve Nash, etc.. either 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkzlova123 Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 So playing defense is an excuse for not scoring 25 ppg? How did the other million superstars like Jordan do it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted March 4, 2021 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 41 minutes ago, Diesel said: I, Myself would have thought Stockton or Kidd would have done it. Wow. With this kind of performance he'll be an all star one day. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post hawkman Posted March 4, 2021 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Wow. With this kind of performance he'll be an all star one day. I hope the ratings for that game tank. There is no excuse for the Hawks to have zero All Stars in a game that's being played in Atlanta when the Hawks have a top rebounder/shot blocker and top 10 scorer/assist man on the roster this season. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 NBA politics as usual. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Since when is 40/35 anything special? That's below league average. Only thing high is the free throw %. Nice cherry picked statistical anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNorthCydeRises Posted March 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Diesel said: I, Myself would have thought Stockton or Kidd would have done it. I wasn't completely sold on Trae, until I saw him live. That kid works so hard to score, and has that superstar swagger that no Hawk since Dominique has had on the court. Of course, it helped that this was the first game I saw him live. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted March 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: I wasn't completely sold on Trae, until I saw him live. That kid works so hard to score, and has that superstar swagger that no Hawk since Dominique has had on the court. Of course, it helped that this was the first game I saw him live. First time I saw Trae live was against the Spurs, at GT pavilion his rookie year, when he hit the logo dagger 3 to win the game. I knew then we had us something special. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said: First time I saw Trae live was against the Spurs, at GT pavilion his rookie year, when he hit the logo dagger 3 to win the game. I knew then we had us something special. It's funny looking at that game now. LP was damn near freaking out at the end, wanting Trae to go to the basket. Meanwhile, Trae was sizing up the situation all along. And when he made the shot, LP was almost in disbelief that he (1) didn't use the pick and roll . . (2) took a 35 footer . . and (3) made the shot. The only person not surprised that it went in, was Vince Carter. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNorthCydeRises Posted March 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 hours ago, bleachkit said: Since when is 40/35 anything special? That's below league average. Only thing high is the free throw %. Nice cherry picked statistical anomaly. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted March 5, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 hours ago, bleachkit said: Since when is 40/35 anything special? That's below league average. Only thing high is the free throw %. Nice cherry picked statistical anomaly. in a sense, this makes the stats less cherry picked. Often you will see cherry picked stats that have a high stat that few people will meet like some of the stats like that round Josh Smith where his combination of high bpg and spg cut out the vast, vast majority of players. The 40/35 is a pretty low bar that would only exclude guys like Allen Iverson who shot objectively poorly while putting up huge counting stats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, AHF said: in a sense, this makes the stats less cherry picked. Often you will see cherry picked stats that have a high stat that few people will meet like some of the stats like that round Josh Smith where his combination of high bpg and spg cut out the vast, vast majority of players. The 40/35 is a pretty low bar that would only exclude guys like Allen Iverson who shot objectively poorly while putting up huge counting stats. Remove the free throw percentage and redo it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted March 5, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Remove the free throw percentage and redo it. The free throw % is the only one of those other than points and assists that seriously separates players. I'm saying the 40/35 is actually unusually leniant and the only one tied to Trae's numbers tightly (he sits at 87.7%). They could have done something like 42.5%/37%/87% and made it more arbitrary and excluded many more players who shot like 36% from 3pt range or something. This isn't the worst example I've seen of this type of number slicing. In fact, I'm not seeing much difference removing the ft%. There have only been 20 seasons in nba history with a player averaging 25 ppg and 9 apg. Once you add in 3pt% (and no ft% and no fg%) at 35% you are already down to 4 seasons. Add 3pt% at 37% and you are down to 2 seasons in NBA history. These additional filters get you down to a single person but just 25 and 9 takes you to a list of about 10 people (since many of those 20 total seasons are repeats with James Harden, Oscar Robertson, etc.) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, AHF said: The free throw % is the only one of those other than points and assists that seriously separates players. I'm saying the 40/35 is actually unusually leniant and the only one tied to Trae's numbers tightly (he sits at 87.7%). They could have done something like 42.5%/37%/87% and made it more arbitrary and excluded many more players who shot like 36% from 3pt range or something. This isn't the worst example I've seen of this type of number slicing. In fact, I'm not seeing much difference removing the ft%. There have only been 20 seasons in nba history with a player averaging 25 ppg and 9 apg. Once you add in 3pt% (and no ft% and no fg%) at 35% you are already down to 4 seasons. Add 3pt% at 37% and you are down to 2 seasons in NBA history. These additional filters get you down to a single person but just 25 and 9 takes you to a list of about 10 people (since many of those 20 total seasons are repeats with James Harden, Oscar Robertson, etc.) What are the 25 and 9 seasons? I'm curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted March 5, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 It's still absurd to me that Trae was the only player at all star voting with points>25 and assists>9. Harden has since joined him. Just baffling you could exclude this guy from the game with those basic numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted March 5, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, bleachkit said: What are the 25 and 9 seasons? I'm curious Looks like I may be wrong about the total number of seasons as it appears that in addition to hiding the top 10 seasons, basketball reference also now cuts off the total at 20: That would not apply to others with only 2 and 4 responsive seasons. There just could be more than 20 for a simple 25 & 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, AHF said: Looks like I may be wrong about the total number of seasons as it appears that in addition to hiding the top 10 seasons, basketball reference also now cuts off the total at 20: That would not apply to others with only 2 and 4 responsive seasons. There just could be more than 20 for a simple 25 & 9. Why does it not show all the seasons? Basketball reference is very annoying, I wish there was better alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted March 5, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Why does it not show all the seasons? Basketball reference is very annoying, I wish there was better alternative. It used to but now they have gated it for paying customers. $8/month is too rich for my blood for how I would use that access recreationally which is a shame because it was a great tool until they put it behind a pay wall. When you get to fewer than 20 responsive seasons, they show you the precise number of seasons but not the top 10. Example: 25 and 9 with a 75% ft%: 25 and 9 with an 87% ft%: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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