Let’s drop our agendas and rise as one

[Spud2nique]

Can we please drop our agendas, it’s not about us and whether or not we are right or wrong but rather our team. I read through like 20 pages of the game thread last night and it was less about our team winning and more about which posters are right and wrong. I’m guilty as well I won’t say I’m not but let’s me more TEAM than ME. We all love the Hawks.

 

Trae scores 2 or 50 I don’t care if we W.

Collins plays well or not, if we W.

Etc. 

 

Reminded me of old Mad tv and the Stuart files.

 

[kg01]

Well said.  The site gets very toxic when it devolves into agenda-squawk.  

[REHawksFan]

I didn't make a single post during the game last night because I'm tired of arguing with people that are supposed to be on the same side.  So I get the post and appreciate the sentiment behind it.  I just disagree with your characterization that those of us that disagree with you have agendas and somehow care less about the Hawks winning.  

The reality is we all want the Hawks to win or why would be spend so much time on this message board?  You seem to take a more holistic approach that says just win, doesn't matter how or why.  Just win baby.  And that's great.  That works for you and is apparently enjoyable for you.

But some of us ENJOY digging into the numbers and trying to analyze trends to see WHY the Hawks are winning and HOW they are winning.  And that's OK too.  There's enough bandwidth for both sides.  It doesn't make us "agenda driven" just because we like to play along and see how and why a team has success.  We just enjoy the game and the team in a different manner than you do.  

I know this will probably provoke another argument and that's not my intent.  I also don't plan on posting much anymore (during games) because it obviously upsets certain people when I do.  So y'all enjoy and GO HAWKS!   

[AHF]

We should all be able to enjoy posting and sharing ideas ranging from reactions to the game, to data analytics to how much Woodson resembled Mr. Potato Head (or is that now just Potato Head?).  

Anyway, I think everyone responding to Spud's post has the same idea in mind about enjoying the site.

Just focus on the post and not the poster and that eliminates 99% of the problems including whether someone is right or is just sharing ideas versus grinding an axe or pushing an agenda.  

[JayBirdHawk]

When are we getting back the live in game chat?

[AHF]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

When are we getting back the live in game chat?

@capstone21 has recently gotten some of the necessary changes in place that will allow us to complete that but he would be the best person to update on what a timeline might look like.

[bleachkit]

Okongwu is a bust. 

[kg01]

2 steps forward, 4 kitty steps back

smh

[bleachkit]

Just now, kg01 said:

2 steps forward, 4 kitty steps back

smh

That wasn't ironic humor or anything.

[Gray Mule]

I don't usually post while a game is on.  Maybe at half time.  Why?  I'm probably too old.  I can't type on my desktop computer and watch the game at the same time.  No, I can't walk and chew gum.  It's either one or the other, not both.

Spud, you have the right idea.  I've read all the game posts after the fact.  Posters here love out Hawks and mostly we love and respect each other.  I know that I was really upset with Trae last night.  He didn't, but then, in overtime, he did.  If I had been posting while the game was on I'm sure I would have had to eat my words.  Sometimes it is better to remain silent and have people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.  Just talking about myself here.

This is Easter week end.  I'll remind you of a quote from the bible.  Jesus said, "This is my command to you that you love others as I have loved you."

Peace.

[kg01]

52 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

That wasn't ironic humor or anything.

Again, since I've been tasked with making you a better person, I'll regretfully inform you that no one thinks your jokes are funny.  I know it hurts but you'll thank me later.

[bleachkit]

15 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Again, since I've been tasked with making you a better person, I'll regretfully inform you that no one thinks your jokes are funny.  I know it hurts but you'll thank me later.

Dude, you take the most shots at people of anyone here. Sometimes my jokes fall flat, but not nearly as often as yours, which routinely go unliked. If you don't like my posts then don't comment, but spare me your self righteous, sanctimonious, hypocritical crap.

Anyways, Go Hawks!

Edited April 2, 2021 by bleachkit

[Carmine]

I haven't noticed any agendas, most of them are out the window with LP gone. Just gotta enjoy the games, whether you choose to live in the moment or not.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Grown Jesus, please forgive us ... for we know what we do, but refuse to be quiet to spare peoples' feelings.

I'm away from home. Give me about 30 minutes, and I'll toss some more fuel on the bonfire.

Not trying to burn the house down. Just some branches outside "the house".

[Peoriabird]

That didn't last long!

[RedDawg#8]

LP is gone, trade deadline has passed. At this point, this roster and team is who we are riding with to finish this postseason race. I am all in with this staff and the 17 players in uniform. Once we are officially eliminated we can go back to debating who should stay or go, or get paid x amount, blah blah blah. 

The hope and focus should be on us getting healthy and finding some sort of consistency and chemistry before the playoffs begin.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Can we please drop our agendas, it’s not about us and whether or not we are right or wrong but rather our team. I read through like 20 pages of the game thread last night and it was less about our team winning and more about which posters are right and wrong. I’m guilty as well I won’t say I’m not but let’s me more TEAM than ME. We all love the Hawks.

 

Trae scores 2 or 50 I don’t care if we W.

Collins plays well or not, if we W.

Etc. 

 

 

As @REHawksFan said, I reject what you are trying to define as being 'agenda driven'. 

What we are saying with Trae needing to score the basketball, is no different from what @Peoriabird and i said earlier in the season about LP needing to put more emphasis on rebounding and defense, in order to improve the team.  And that consistently playing small was not a good thing for the Hawks. 

You have very good posters on this site who sometimes take very controversial positions about this team, and stand by them until proven wrong. A guy like @Diesel ranted against Marvin Williams during his entire tenure as a Hawk.  Most of us got tired of him beating Marvin down, to the point that someone made a gif of a horse with Marvin's jersey on, being beaten.  Now I'm not for animal abuse, but the gif was accurate.

Guess what though. Diesel was proven to be RIGHT!

How about @KB21?  He easily became one of the most hated members on this site, with the things he was saying about the state of this team. 3 years later, at least 75% of the things he was saying, was right.

What about the Tankers vs Anti-Tankers debate.  Once again, you had people on both sides of the aisle on this topic.

Over the years, I've been right and wrong on a variety of topics:

• Shelden Williams can play center
• Mike Woodson wasn't as bad as people made him out to be
• Acie Law is the future PG of the Hawks
• Josh Smith should play PF, even try being a Diaw-like center, instead of trying to play like a SF
• eFG% is fraudulent, especially it comes to average 3 point shooters
• Dennis Schröder should start in front of Teague
• Thabo Sefolosha sucks ( when we first acquired him )
• Thabo Sefolosha is the glue guy for the Hawks ( after seeing how the bench never lost leads with him in the game )
• We shouldn't have tanked
• and on and on and on.

The great thing about this site is that the mods will give you the freedom to express anything you want, so as you're not going at other members. If it's simply a debate about basketball and the Hawks in general, they will let you go.  This is what @AHF has consistently told members.  Talk about basketball. Not about people.

Even though some of us cross the line at times ( including myself ), it doesn't mean that members should just be quiet and not talk about things they see about the team.  If you and Peoria feel that Trae needs to be more of a facilitator than a scorer, you are perfectly free to express that opinion.  If REhawksFan and I feel that Trae should score more than he facilitates, we should be free to express that as well.

But you can't get mad when we cite numbers to back up what we're saying.  If the Hawks are 11 - 0 when he scores 32 points or more . . and 14 - 8 when he scores 28 points or more, why does that prompt you into saying that "we have an agenda"?  Those are simply facts.  What I would tell you is to show / tell me why those facts do not matter.  That's the basis for debate.

 

Last thing. How boring would this site be if everyone agreed, or held all dissenting opinion to themselves?  Go check out the past topics in Homecourt.  We have almost 1900 pages of Hawks history on this site, full of jubilation, pain, and flat out wars between posters.  It's a reason why this forum has survived and been so lively, for so long.

 

[kg01]

Why can't y'all just embrace what spud tried to do here?  Why you gotta nitpick?  Guy wants us to all be civil, not all agree.  That's all.  Is that so wrong?

[AUhawksfan]

I hear you, I'm tired of agendas.  At this point we all should know Trae is not the leader of this team, JC needs to be let loose, Huerter should be getting heavy minutes, and Gallo is our best defender.  Now everybody fall in line!

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

As @REHawksFan said, I reject what you are trying to define as being 'agenda driven'. 

What we are saying with Trae needing to score the basketball, is no different from what @Peoriabird and i said earlier in the season about LP needing to put more emphasis on rebounding and defense, in order to improve the team.  And that consistently playing small was not a good thing for the Hawks. 

You have very good posters on this site who sometimes take very controversial positions about this team, and stand by them until proven wrong. A guy like @Diesel ranted against Marvin Williams during his entire tenure as a Hawk.  Most of us got tired of him beating Marvin down, to the point that someone made a gif of a horse with Marvin's jersey on, being beaten.  Now I'm not for animal abuse, but the gif was accurate.

Guess what though. Diesel was proven to be RIGHT!

How about @KB21?  He easily became one of the most hated members on this site, with the things he was saying about the state of this team. 3 years later, at least 75% of the things he was saying, was right.

What about the Tankers vs Anti-Tankers debate.  Once again, you had people on both sides of the aisle on this topic.

Over the years, I've been right and wrong on a variety of topics:

• Shelden Williams can play center
• Mike Woodson wasn't as bad as people made him out to be
• Acie Law is the future PG of the Hawks
• Josh Smith should play PF, even try being a Diaw-like center, instead of trying to play like a SF
• eFG% is fraudulent, especially it comes to average 3 point shooters
• Dennis Schröder should start in front of Teague
• Thabo Sefolosha sucks ( when we first acquired him )
• Thabo Sefolosha is the glue guy for the Hawks ( after seeing how the bench never lost leads with him in the game )
• We shouldn't have tanked
• and on and on and on.

The great thing about this site is that the mods will give you the freedom to express anything you want, so as you're not going at other members. If it's simply a debate about basketball and the Hawks in general, they will let you go.  This is what @AHF has consistently told members.  Talk about basketball. Not about people.

Even though some of us cross the line at times ( including myself ), it doesn't mean that members should just be quiet and not talk about things they see about the team.  If you and Peoria feel that Trae needs to be more of a facilitator than a scorer, you are perfectly free to express that opinion.  If REhawksFan and I feel that Trae should score more than he facilitates, we should be free to express that as well.

But you can't get mad when we cite numbers to back up what we're saying.  If the Hawks are 11 - 0 when he scores 32 points or more . . and 14 - 8 when he scores 28 points or more, why does that prompt you into saying that "we have an agenda"?  Those are simply facts.  What I would tell you is to show / tell me why those facts do not matter.  That's the basis for debate.

 

Last thing. How boring would this site be if everyone agreed, or held all dissenting opinion to themselves?  Go check out the past topics in Homecourt.  We have almost 1900 pages of Hawks history on this site, full of jubilation, pain, and flat out wars between posters.  It's a reason why this forum has survived and been so lively, for so long.

 

Do you have the Cliff Notes version .  

I kid. lol