Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted May 4, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 minute ago, kg01 said: I hope he comes across more 'committed' in his talks with McMillan. If I'm McMillan, that 'we'll evaluate at the end of the season' stuff could get old quick. I'm guessing that was the discussiin when McMillan agreed to take over. I'm sure McMillan will have suitors, so as much as TS is saying 'evaluate at end of season, Nate is probably doing his own evaluation as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 38 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: I'm guessing that was the discussiin when McMillan agreed to take over. I'm sure McMillan will have suitors, so as much as TS is saying 'evaluate at end of season, Nate is probably doing his own evaluation as well. I know you're not wrong on that. However, what jobs are likely to be open that would be more promising? Not being a homer, just taking a glance at likely openings: BOS - Maybe they just choose to part ways? Wouldn't be a total shock. WAS - Perhaps but I know their star likes Brooks. Oh you thought Beal was their 'star'? CLE - Do they even have a coach? ORL - I could see them parting ways, Clifford's too good to wait on their tank-build DET - Same as ORL, will a vet coach want to wade through those waters? DAL - Wait'll Carlisle sneezes at Louka wrong. POR - This one's interesting, I guess. SAC - Who're we kidding? Of all those, I can see maybe 2-3 that could be in as good or better position than us: WAS - Healthy Westbrook is scary good. I wish I remembered the name of the guy that told me John Wall would be better *cough* @NBASupes *cough* POR - Would they go with McMillan again after all these years? Doubtful BOS - Can he get ol' joyless Tatum to re-engage? So, long story long, what better options are there for him really? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted May 4, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, kg01 said: I know you're not wrong on that. However, what jobs are likely to be open that would be more promising? Not being a homer, just taking a glance at likely openings: BOS - Maybe they just choose to part ways? Wouldn't be a total shock. WAS - Perhaps but I know their star likes Brooks. Oh you thought Beal was their 'star'? CLE - Do they even have a coach? ORL - I could see them parting ways, Clifford's too good to wait on their tank-build DET - Same as ORL, will a vet coach want to wade through those waters? DAL - Wait'll Carlisle sneezes at Louka wrong. POR - This one's interesting, I guess. SAC - Who're we kidding? Of all those, I can see maybe 2-3 that could be in as good or better position than us: WAS - Healthy Westbrook is scary good. I wish I remembered the name of the guy that told me John Wall would be better *cough* @NBASupes *cough* POR - Would they go with McMillan again after all these years? Doubtful BOS - Can he get ol' joyless Tatum to re-engage? So, long story long, what better options are there for him really? All true, but people don't always do what's best for themselves, they sometimes outsmart themselves . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyRoc Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 Is it unreasonable for Nate to get some CotY consideration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 hours ago, EazyRoc said: Is it unreasonable for Nate to get some CotY consideration? Voters are too busy falling all over themselves to vote for Thibo .. Thiba .. Thibs. I still find it funny that the Nix had to go on an absolutely historic run ... just to catch us by a half game. But they get all the pub while we go nothing. Ah well, we'll see how they fare on this little road trip they're on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 4, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 Nate - COTY Clint - DPOY Trae - MVP Cast your ballots ATL media. Show them some love. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 hours ago, kg01 said: I know you're not wrong on that. However, what jobs are likely to be open that would be more promising? Not being a homer, just taking a glance at likely openings: BOS - Maybe they just choose to part ways? Wouldn't be a total shock. WAS - Perhaps but I know their star likes Brooks. Oh you thought Beal was their 'star'? CLE - Do they even have a coach? ORL - I could see them parting ways, Clifford's too good to wait on their tank-build DET - Same as ORL, will a vet coach want to wade through those waters? DAL - Wait'll Carlisle sneezes at Louka wrong. POR - This one's interesting, I guess. SAC - Who're we kidding? Of all those, I can see maybe 2-3 that could be in as good or better position than us: WAS - Healthy Westbrook is scary good. I wish I remembered the name of the guy that told me John Wall would be better *cough* @NBASupes *cough* POR - Would they go with McMillan again after all these years? Doubtful BOS - Can he get ol' joyless Tatum to re-engage? So, long story long, what better options are there for him really? The most devastating possibility is Milwaukee. They steal our coach again?! What if Coach Bud loses in the playoffs to Atlanta in round 1 and then Giannis demands a coaching change? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, Final_quest said: The most devastating possibility is Milwaukee. They steal our coach again?! What if Coach Bud loses in the playoffs to Atlanta in round 1 and then Giannis demands a coaching change? Then we hire Bud again, trade for Horford, and talk Marvin, Joe Johnson, and Josh Smith out of retirement!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 The thing about coaching is that is has to be a two way street. Coaches and organizations have to want each other. It's nice to assume a guy will accept a promotion from within, but that's not a guarantee. It's the same as if you applied for a job you really wanted and got the position versus working at a new place for 3 months, havent even decided if you would move closer to that side of town yet, and they promote you out of necessity of having fired your boss and friend who gave you the job. That shit is hella stressful if its ever happened to you and that's without the pressure of millions of people tracking your every move. Nate did not come to Atlanta with the goal of coaching the Hawks. He came here to stay involved with coaching while laying low for a year and seeing what opportunities would open up later that he would apply for. This was not his plan. He may decide its the best move for him and stay long term, but that's as much his choice to weigh out as it is Schlenk's. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyRoc Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 5 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said: The thing about coaching is that is has to be a two way street. Coaches and organizations have to want each other. It's nice to assume a guy will accept a promotion from within, but that's not a guarantee. It's the same as if you applied for a job you really wanted and got the position versus working at a new place for 3 months, havent even decided if you would move closer to that side of town yet, and they promote you out of necessity of having fired your boss and friend who gave you the job. That shit is hella stressful if its ever happened to you and that's without the pressure of millions of people tracking your every move. Nate did not come to Atlanta with the goal of coaching the Hawks. He came here to stay involved with coaching while laying low for a year and seeing what opportunities would open up later that he would apply for. This was not his plan. He may decide its the best move for him and stay long term, but that's as much his choice to weigh out as it is Schlenk's. I sure hope we convince him to stay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted May 5, 2021 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 13 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said: The thing about coaching is that is has to be a two way street. Coaches and organizations have to want each other. It's nice to assume a guy will accept a promotion from within, but that's not a guarantee. It's the same as if you applied for a job you really wanted and got the position versus working at a new place for 3 months, havent even decided if you would move closer to that side of town yet, and they promote you out of necessity of having fired your boss and friend who gave you the job. That shit is hella stressful if its ever happened to you and that's without the pressure of millions of people tracking your every move. Nate did not come to Atlanta with the goal of coaching the Hawks. He came here to stay involved with coaching while laying low for a year and seeing what opportunities would open up later that he would apply for. This was not his plan. He may decide its the best move for him and stay long term, but that's as much his choice to weigh out as it is Schlenk's. That’s a great way to put it. That’s why I believe it is crucial that we make some noise in the playoffs. If we advanced to the second round, that will give Nate confidence in this team and will go along way with him deciding to come back. He will also have his pick of the litter from the rest coaching vacancies in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post sturt Posted May 8, 2021 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/262505/Its-Not-Easy-To-Be-As-Good-A-Coach-As-Nate-McMillan "You can do better than Nate McMillan. He’s going to slow your team down, he doesn’t care about threes. Going by his nigh-anomalously consistent record over the past seven seasons, you’re almost definitely going to lose in the first round of the playoffs. But it’s not all bad, there’s a reason he keeps getting hired. You can count on Nate to teach your team proper defensive principles and reward effort on that end. He’ll get your team organized, crack down on silly mistakes. He’s boring in pressers and doesn’t pick fights with his players. Nate McMillan’s a decent coach and that’s worth something, especially to small market franchises that aren’t built around superstars. If you want someone to reimagine what your offense can be, you want Erik Spoelstra, who isn’t available. Same goes for Nick Nurse, Rick Carlisle. Doc Rivers is a big-markets-only option at this point in his career. When you bring a new skipper aboard, you’re taking a risk. McMillan’s about as un-risky as it gets. He’s a reliable pro. "The Hawks have been more than pleased with him, since he replaced Lloyd Pierce in early March. He has stabilized a previously underperforming squad, and while they’re probably not quite as scary as their 23-and-10 record during McMillan’s interim tenure suggests, they’re at least sure that GM Travis Schlenk didn’t totally strike out last summer when he added Danilo Gallinari and Bogdan Bogdanović to a theoretically promising roster, thinking a couple vets would provide what Atlanta needed to shift from rebuilding to playing competitive ball. Gallinari has provided scoring punch off the bench, just like Schlenk drew it up, and Bogdanović is having the best season of his career putting up 15 points per night and serving as an inspired secondary playmaker alongside—sometimes even standing in for—Trae Young. "An ancillary benefit of having Nate McMillan coach your team is that you find out where you are, from a talent perspective. Your roster’s going to play to something like its median ability. It won’t be a mid-aughts Popovich Spurs situation, where Pop’s ingenuity makes a role player look like a borderline star, but Nate’s not going to screw anybody up either..... "You can’t blame the Pacers for moving on from Nate McMillan. That’s what teams tend to do with him. He comes in, establishes a baseline level of competence, and then you try for someone else when you feel ready to truly ascend. If he sticks around in Atlanta, you can bet that two or three years from now, the Hawks will be appreciating all that Nate has done for the franchise in a press release about how they’re not renewing his contract. But the Pacers were hasty and reckless, and too easily dismissed what they had in McMillan. It’s something we’ve seen over and over again: the older black coach, almost always an ex-player, getting shoved out of the way for a forward-thinking white assistant.... "The Pacers wanted to move on from Nate McMillan, and fair enough. It turns out they probably would have been better off sticking with him. For all his flaws, he knows basketball and he knows how to treat people. That’s not something to be taken for granted. Good for him, that he’s finding the appreciation he deserves in Atlanta. Meanwhile Bjorkgren has a lot of work to do, to match McMillan’s long record of moderate success. And he might never get there. It’s not easy to be as good a coach as Nate McMillan. It’s worth pointing that out, until everyone fully understands it." 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post MarylandHawk Posted May 16, 2021 Author Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 It is now time for the players to repay McMillan. He helped this team reach their goal this season to get to the playoffs. They need to help McMillan by getting him to the second round. We are the underdogs and it won’t be easy against a team we have not beaten all year. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted May 17, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 17, 2021 He was robbed. Hawks went 7-1 in May. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted May 17, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted May 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: He was robbed. Hawks went 7-1 in May. What the hell? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 5:23 PM, LongTimeFan said: Then we hire Bud again, trade for Horford, and talk Marvin, Joe Johnson, and Josh Smith out of retirement!! You did say you have a dark side just a couple of days ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 14 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: He was robbed. Hawks went 7-1 in May. As I just said over at that other Hawk cite; Just think. Whoever voted thought that it was much harder for Tibs to go 6-3 with his NY team than it was for Nate to go 7-1 with the Hawks.. I'm sure they didn't see this like I do. This is my idea and I'm sticking to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 5:37 PM, RedDawg#8 said: It's the same as if you applied for a job you really wanted and got the position versus working at a new place for 3 months, havent even decided if you would move closer to that side of town yet, and they promote you out of necessity of having fired your boss and friend who gave you the job. That shit is hella stressful if its ever happened to you and that's without the pressure of millions of people tracking your every move. Nate did not come to Atlanta with the goal of coaching the Hawks. He came here to stay involved with coaching while laying low for a year and seeing what opportunities would open up later that he would apply for. This was not his plan. He may decide its the best move for him and stay long term, but that's as much his choice to weigh out as it is Schlenk's. This is a great analogy, but my only comment would be that Nate would have to have his head plugged deep into the sand to not consider this a viable possibility when he took the assistant job. Everyone in the NBA, including fans, thought he was being brought in to eventually take over for LP. Even if he dismissed the possibility to start with, the combination of the public playoff decree, free agent spending spree, and Nate's experience in the NBA should have clued him in that a slow start would very likely result in him being approached to be the interim. So again, love the analogy and agree that he probably didn't come into Atlanta expecting to be the HC, but I just can't believe he didn't at least consider the possibility of things unfolding exactly as they did prior to taking the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 18, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, REHawksFan said: This is a great analogy, but my only comment would be that Nate would have to have his head plugged deep into the sand to not consider this a viable possibility when he took the assistant job. Everyone in the NBA, including fans, thought he was being brought in to eventually take over for LP. Even if he dismissed the possibility to start with, the combination of the public playoff decree, free agent spending spree, and Nate's experience in the NBA should have clued him in that a slow start would very likely result in him being approached to be the interim. So again, love the analogy and agree that he probably didn't come into Atlanta expecting to be the HC, but I just can't believe he didn't at least consider the possibility of things unfolding exactly as they did prior to taking the job. If he didn't see that as a real possibility, it was one of the only mistakes he has made this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted May 18, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Quote Among those also receiving votes: Washington's Scott Brooks, Denver's Michael Malone, Atlanta's Nate McMillan, Philadelphia's Doc Rivers, Utah's Quin Snyder and New York's Tom Thibodeau This is the Coaches selection for COY, not the Sportswriters selection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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