Official Game Thread: 76ers at Hawks -- GAME 3

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, AUhawksfan said:

Please no Solo, please no Solo….

That should be an arena chant.

[AUhawksfan]

I’m really surprised how quick the refs have been to blow the whistle in this series. Been killing us and not allowing us to get any momentum, which we need offensively as a young team.  If they keep calling the game the way they have been, no way we can win the series.

[JayBirdHawk]

Too easy for the Sixers. Embiid is just a handful.

 

It's time to do what @TheNorthCydeRises suggested, let Gallo defend Embiid, Capela defends Ben where he can rotate off him for rim protection, Collins vs Harris.

[NBASupes]

13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Too easy for the Sixers. Embiid is just a handful.

 

It's time to do what @TheNorthCydeRises suggested, let Gallo defend Embiid, Capela defends Ben where he can rotate off him for rim protection, Collins vs Harris.

It's something we strongly got to consider. 

[JayBirdHawk]

This pass, just a flick of the wrist.

 

...and this one

 

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

2 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

Collins SHOULD be scapegoated in this situation. HE turned down a decent offer from the Hawks.   To get a max contract, he suppose to be out there hitting the boards, scoring points, and tearing down rims.  But no, he is a WEAK rotational defensive player who is of ZERO use to Capela.  Heck, Trae had more spunk under the basket defending Embiid ( made sure he and Embiid was cool after one altercation, lmao with his small self), but hey, he TRIED.  I saw Collins out there falling at the least contact, scared to really get into Embiid and other players.  In the New York series, i forgot Gibson was still in the league until he came across Collins.  Dwight Howard even has gotten new life playing against Collins.  Nah,  Collins can walk FOR FREE.  The Hawks just need a healthy Hunter and Reddish and sign another power forward that can bang on the boards with Capela.  

John Collins in this series

17 ppg - 7 rebs - 61% FG

 

He is not a center. He is a PF.  Can't force him to be what he is not.

[Diesel]

12 hours ago, bleachkit said:

I dont want to say the series is over, but what can we do with a black hole at small forward? We have to get hot from three to stay in it. Also, to win this series now we need another win in Philly. Tough hill to climb. 

It can be done.   Coaching has to provide an answer to what Philly is doing. 

[Diesel]

12 hours ago, NBASupes said:

False. Bogi is guarding their best perimeter player. While JC is either hiding on Simmons or getting his ass lit up by Harris or Embiid. Sometimes even Simmons 

 

JC ain't doing shit but getting his cardio on.

You're saying that Guarding Curry is harder than Guarding Simmons, Embiid, and Harris??

I know you hate JC... but come on man.     Curry just needs a body in front of him and a hand in his face, he is not his brother.. or his dad. 

Embiid is the best big in the game.  Sorry Joker...    It's Embiid's game that is disrupting our whole defense.  He knows how to pass and his presence opens lanes for everybody else to attack. 

 

[RedDawg#8]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

It can be done.   Coaching has to provide an answer to what Philly is doing. 

Doc was on top of everything we had going last night. After halftime if we scored twice in a row he called timeouts immediately and shut down whatever we were doing. 

He did not allow us to build any traction whatsoever.

Coaching battle is just as key as any player matchup. Doc had his boys making strong decisive moves off of our defensive rotations. Their passes were on time and on target. Moreover, there was almost always someone open at the rim or a good shooter open from 3. They were on top of our defensive gameplan.

We looked meticulous and hesitant in the half court. Nothing flowed easy except when Trae was able to get a little bit of space here and there. 

Bogi and Kev have to be better when they are the ball handlers of being decisive. They shied away from the pressure that Trae was living in. 

[Diesel]

7 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Malone faded in the playoffs as well but the difference is, in the modern NBA, teams go out their way to completely take always the PnR finisher which is possible due to modern personnel and schemes thanks to the NBA'S rule changes and allowing zone defenses. That doesn't mean JC or Capela can't score but they are more like Hustle man and garbage men more than anything else. Trae and JC in particular wasn't really scoring till the 4th when they game opened up and Philly abandon their defensive principles because they were scoring at will. 

The average fan sees 28 for Trae and 21 for JC and get happy but when both teams still had fight. Trae had like 14 points and JC had 11 points. They weren't effective at all. 

Trae stats say he shot 50% from three but when it mattered, he was like 1 for 4 and completely clamped from three. 

JC stans in here being disingenuous and you wonder why JC gets no respect. Trae got lit up defensively like a Christmas tree but at least still has impact on us winning or losing. JC seems to give us nothing since the playoffs begin. He's probably at a 0.3 WAR right now. That's not good for a starter. 

First off, In game 3, there was not a time when Philly wasn't scoring at will.   We may a short run in the middle of the 4th... mostly because our offense scored and allowed our defense to get set. 

You fail to understand how this works.   Our defense is predicated on our offense.  And Philly has put basically three people on Trae.   They have triple teamed Trae with one man being his shadow and two others shading him.   Between that and our tendency to make dumb passes, Philly is having a field day defensively.   Because of that, we can't get scores and it allows them to score in transition when our defense is not set. 

Our play can be described as panic and scrambling.   When we do get set, Embiid brings all of his skills to punish us.   His passing.  His fall away.  His three point shooting.   Nate needs to look at how LD handled Dwight some years back.  Stop the rest. 

 

[RedDawg#8]

10 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You're saying that Guarding Curry is harder than Guarding Simmons, Embiid, and Harris??

I know you hate JC... but come on man.     Curry just needs a body in front of him and a hand in his face, he is not his brother.. or his dad. 

Embiid is the best big in the game.  Sorry Joker...    It's Embiid's game that is disrupting our whole defense.  He knows how to pass and his presence opens lanes for everybody else to attack. 

 

Thank you!

 

[Diesel]

7 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Doc was on top of everything we had going last night. After halftime if we scored twice in a row he called timeouts immediately and shut down whatever we were doing. 

He did not allow us to build any traction whatsoever.

Coaching battle is just as key as any player matchup. Doc had his boys making strong decisive moves off of our defensive rotations. Their passes were on time and on target. Moreover, there was almost always someone open at the rim or a good shooter open from 3. They were on top of our defensive gameplan.

We looked meticulous and hesitant in the half court. Nothing flowed easy except when Trae was able to get a little bit of space here and there. 

Bogi and Kev have to be better when they are the ball handlers of being decisive. They shied away from the pressure that Trae was living in. 

Well, Doc's offensive game plan is simple...

When Embiid is in.. every big attack the basket and wait for him to find you.   We did smartly by rushing a double at him.. but he's been coached well enough to know who will be open. 

When Embiid is out... if we're in that filthy 2-3 Zone.  PNR with Howard.    They kilt us with it. 

What makes Philly's offense so effective with us is that they have these no name guys that come off the bench and hit threes left and right.  That's a back breaker. 

Defensively... they put three people around Trae.  Force the ball out of his hands and pressure the other ball handlers.   We don't have another ball handler that can make good decisions with the ball under pressure.  Bogi and Huerter aint it and Lou aint going to pass.   And for the record, Hunter wouldn't have been it either.   Philly turns up the pressure on us and we bend.   The problem is that we move the ball away from Trae to these other guys.   That's not good because Trae is our floor general.   How many times have you seen this happen to CP3?  What is needed is for everybody, including Trae to stop thinking that Trae is a three point specialist.   Let him be the ball handler and instead of giving others the ball and letting him play off ball, maybe some picks, several picks and screen should be used. 

 

 

[RedDawg#8]

6 minutes ago, Diesel said:

First off, In game 3, there was not a time when Philly wasn't scoring at will.   We may a short run in the middle of the 4th... mostly because our offense scored and allowed our defense to get set. 

You fail to understand how this works.   Our defense is predicated on our offense.  And Philly has put basically three people on Trae.   They have triple teamed Trae with one man being his shadow and two others shading him.   Between that and our tendency to make dumb passes, Philly is having a field day defensively.   Because of that, we can't get scores and it allows them to score in transition when our defense is not set. 

Our play can be described as panic and scrambling.   When we do get set, Embiid brings all of his skills to punish us.   His passing.  His fall away.  His three point shooting.   Nate needs to look at how LD handled Dwight some years back.  Stop the rest. 

 

2 points. That's the cost of letting Embiid eat.

That's better than an open 3, or an And-1.

Guard him, one hand up, one hand across from the ball. Don't jump, don't reach. Let him shoot and box his butt out. If he makes it, fine. But cut down on the cheap foul trips and the 2nd chance opportunities. Let him go wild jumpshooting. Just keep your body in between him and the basket.

On his post ups, Harris and Simmons are both cutting aggressively through the lane. Run with them, don't help on Embiid. Put a body on them.

Guards, stop peeking. Stay home on the shooters and play centerfield on the tip outs. No cheap 2nd chance points.

They will still score points but at least they will earn them.

 

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

2 points. That's the cost of letting Embiid eat.

That's better than an open 3, or an And-1.

Guard him, one hand up, one hand across from the ball. Don't jump, don't reach. Let him shoot and box his butt out. If he makes it, fine. But cut down on the cheap foul trips and the 2nd chance opportunities. Let him go wild jumpshooting. Just keep your body in between him and the basket.

On his post ups, Harris and Simmons are both cutting aggressively through the lane. Run with them, don't help on Embiid. Put a body on them.

Guards, stop peeking. Stay home on the shooters and play centerfield on the tip outs. No cheap 2nd chance points.

They will still score points but at least they will earn them.

 

My plan would be instead of solo, start Gallo...

Let Gallo play Embiid Man.   Let Bogi play Curry Man... and have Clint and JC maintain the middle while Trae plays the top.  Triangle and 2.  Before, it was easier because Danny Green was on the floor.   DG is not a threat.   However, with Shake and Kosmos... we have a matchup burden.. but same thing... keep a hand in their face. 

Embiid will eat.  But Gallo will bother him.   Gallo is smart enough not to go for the faints and the fakes.   When Gallo is in foul trouble.. bring out OO.. and we may even need Bruno... but let's not waste Clint's defense on Embiid... stop Harris and Simmons from running at our goal by manning the middle. 

 

[Spud2nique]

Vegas has Sixers a 2.5 point fav for Game 4 on Monday. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

3 hours ago, Diesel said:

My plan would be instead of solo, start Gallo...

Let Gallo play Embiid Man.   Let Bogi play Curry Man... and have Clint and JC maintain the middle while Trae plays the top.  Triangle and 2.  Before, it was easier because Danny Green was on the floor.   DG is not a threat.   However, with Shake and Kosmos... we have a matchup burden.. but same thing... keep a hand in their face. 

Embiid will eat.  But Gallo will bother him.   Gallo is smart enough not to go for the faints and the fakes.   When Gallo is in foul trouble.. bring out OO.. and we may even need Bruno... but let's not waste Clint's defense on Embiid... stop Harris and Simmons from running at our goal by manning the middle. 

 

 

Co-sign 100%

It's either go small and try to outshoot them by starting Gallo and Huerter.  Or start Gallo on the frontline to give us a bigger presence and possibly do a better job at limiting the other stars on the team, while also giving us an extra shooter in the game.  Capela might be better off being the weak side help on a double team to Embiid, instead of being the main guy guarding him all the time.

The other thing is that at no point do I want less than 4 guys who can make an outside shot out on the floor.  That means no Solo and Clint . . . or Solo and Okongwu . . . or Okongwu and Clint in the game together.  The more shooters we have in the game, the more likely Trae and Bogi will not get doubled, especially if guys like Gallo, Collins, and Huerter start to make shots.

 

I need Nate and his staff to be a little more creative and daring about who they put in the game.  Solo just isn't it in this series.  I even tweeted him that message, while thanking him for his service to the team.  But he is a straight up liability in this series, with his inability to make open shots, rebound, and play solid defense.  Gallo in the playoffs, has proven to do all 3 at times.

The key to the Sixers bench ( as you pointed out ) is that they have surrounded 4 guys ( really 4 guards ) around Dwight that can shoot the ball.  And when they miss, Dwight is looking to gobble up the rebound and put it back in the basket.  When they want to take one of the guards out, they'll run Harris with the 2nd teamers and let him feast with that group.

The other thing I want to see is Trae being really aggressive looking for his own shot.

[NBASupes]

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

First off, In game 3, there was not a time when Philly wasn't scoring at will.   We may a short run in the middle of the 4th... mostly because our offense scored and allowed our defense to get set. 

You fail to understand how this works.   Our defense is preicated on our offense. 

 

 

 

 

And Philly has put basically three people on Trae.   They have triple teamed Trae with one man being his shadow and two others shading him.   Between that and our tendency to make dumb passes, Philly is having a field day defensively.   Because of that, we can't get scores and it allows them to score in transition when our defense is not set. 

Our play can be described as panic and scrambling.   When we do get set, Embiid brings all of his skills to punish us.   His passing.  His fall away.  His three point shooting.   Nate needs to look at how LD handled Dwight some years back.  Stop the rest. 

 

Lies.

Goofy shit. 

Bolded was actually a quality post which I am surprised came from you. The rest above was bullshit as well. 

[Diesel]

28 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Co-sign 100%

It's either go small and try to outshoot them by starting Gallo and Huerter.  Or start Gallo on the frontline to give us a bigger presence and possibly do a better job at limiting the other stars on the team, while also giving us an extra shooter in the game.  Capela might be better off being the weak side help on a double team to Embiid, instead of being the main guy guarding him all the time.

The other thing is that at no point do I want less than 4 guys who can make an outside shot out on the floor.  That means no Solo and Clint . . . or Solo and Okongwu . . . or Okongwu and Clint in the game together.  The more shooters we have in the game, the more likely Trae and Bogi will not get doubled, especially if guys like Gallo, Collins, and Huerter start to make shots.

 

I need Nate and his staff to be a little more creative and daring about who they put in the game.  Solo just isn't it in this series.  I even tweeted him that message, while thanking him for his service to the team.  But he is a straight up liability in this series, with his inability to make open shots, rebound, and play solid defense.  Gallo in the playoffs, has proven to do all 3 at times.

The key to the Sixers bench ( as you pointed out ) is that they have surrounded 4 guys ( really 4 guards ) around Dwight that can shoot the ball.  And when they miss, Dwight is looking to gobble up the rebound and put it back in the basket.  When they want to take one of the guards out, they'll run Harris with the 2nd teamers and let him feast with that group.

The other thing I want to see is Trae being really aggressive looking for his own shot.

I wouldn't waste the energy to double embiid. If you don't want Gallo to guard Embiid and possibly get into foul trouble.. shoot... play bruno or Knight.   No doubles.  Philly has Centered their game around the disruption that Embiid can cause.  Guard him.. no double.. no foul.   Force him to get hard 2s. 

 

[Spud2nique]

We need a Pero Antic in this series. Just some big oafey dude that busts 3’s but also has thickness and 6 fouls. 
 

Big man with a soft touch needed here. Get Embiid out of the paint a bit too.

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

We need a Pero Antic in this series. Just some big oafey dude that busts 3’s but also has thickness and 6 fouls. 
 

Big man with a soft touch needed here. Get Embiid out of the paint a bit too.

I would say Jason Collins as well but he can't move so he's no use to Embiid. Antic had tremendous feet for such a big dude. Too bad he shot like 29% from 3. 

It's hard to find someone in the modern NBA that can guard Embiid 1v1. Capela generally is one of the best in the NBA at it and he's been well, porous at best in this series at guarding Jojo and it's not due to a lack of effort and fight.