If Golden State is giving up Wiseman, the Hawks should be Listening.

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

but I'm no clown with my opinions.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

Okay, lets be real.  Wiseman is better than OO.

Nope not impacting winning. Individually and statistically yes probably. Basketball is a team game buddy.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

It means you're part of the kg/spud hive mind.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

I don't hate Wiggins. I

Watch him play. 

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

Let me set the math for you.

 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Wiseman fans seem to forget he got a feel for the game and BBIQ similar to a young Hassan Whiteside 

Yes this! The heart and desire to get better. I don’t see it in him. He’s going through the motions right now. 

[Spud2nique]

32 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Whiteside is available for the vet min

 we bash him to no end…5 minutes later in the thread..

BTW he’s available for us! 

[thecampster]

4 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Watch him play. 

 

I have...he's definitely not worth his contract but he is in that 15-20 million range. He has value. Everything with Wiggins will now forever be framed in the context of his contract.

9 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Nope not impacting winning. Individually and statistically yes probably. Basketball is a team game buddy.

Read a bit farther down, a acquiesce to him haven't other value beyond 3 inches in height.

[Spud2nique]

Just now, thecampster said:

Everything with Wiggins will now forever be framed in the context of his contract.

He’s taking an eerily similar path to our good friend Marvin dub dub.

[EazyRoc]

41 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

2nd.. 

… 2nd. 

My bad

[EazyRoc]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

LMAO! Okongwu is better and was better as a prospect.

I think Okongwu is the better basketball player today. Wiseman has the potential to be an overall better player 2-4 years down the line.

[kg01]

1 minute ago, EazyRoc said:

I think Okongwu is the better basketball player today. Wiseman has the potential to be an overall better player 2-4 years down the line.

This is fair.  It also illustrates my issue with this trade.  We're not on a track to wait 2-4 years anymore.

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, EazyRoc said:

I think Okongwu is the better basketball player today. Wiseman has the potential to be an overall better player 2-4 years down the line.

This is hopeful logic. In reality, I don't think so.

[marco102]

4 hours ago, EazyRoc said:

This idea that we hold on to all are guys is ridiculous. We can’t pay them all.

This idea that we should trade just to make a trade is ridiculous. I'm not saying don't trade anyone, but we have time before luxury tax becomes a concern. Why not see how the team does next season and then make trades? 

The TV deal is supposed to at least double in 24-25.  We can keep everyone if the tax line moves way up. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by marco102

[EazyRoc]

14 minutes ago, marco102 said:

This idea that we should trade just to make a trade is ridiculous. I'm not saying don't trade anyone, but we have time before luxury tax becomes a concern. Why not see how the team does next season and then make trades? 

The TV deal is supposed to at least double in 24-25.  We can keep everyone if the tax line moves way up. 

I’m not saying trade to make a trade. I’m saying James Wiseman has potential to be greater impact player than what we give up to get him.

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, EazyRoc said:

I’m not saying trade to make a trade. I’m saying James Wiseman has potential to be greater impact player than what we give up to get him.

What we give up also has the potential to be better than Wiseman. We waste 2-4 years of prime Trae to hope and wish Wiseman reaches his potential?

I'm not against getting Wiseman. I'm against the package you offered. All that depth given up would put us back at square one.

Edited July 24, 2021 by marco102

[JCDBaptist]

12 hours ago, EazyRoc said:

Clint, Huerter, JC, Dunn, and 2 firsts. Warriors get much deeper. Get a veteran DPOY caliber big. Scoring depth with Huerter and JC. A backup PG with Dunn. That team could compete out West. You still have longevity as all those guys are relatively young. 
 

It would be a risky trade and could completely disrupt chemistry. However, Wiseman really could be that good. He’d definitely improve offensively immediately playing with Trae. 

We lose EVERYTHING that represented the Hawks this past season as far as our playoff accomplishments. We lose our chemistry. We lose our depth. We lose our organic build and player development chomps.

We BUILT this, not bought it. We DEVELOPED this, not bought it. I prefer we stay the course. Wiseman can be another Whiteside and then what?

Headline News:  The house Hawks built 1 season, gone the next.

[JCDBaptist]

12 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Huh??? Clint, JC, Huerter, AND 2 1sts for WISEMAN???? 

That's nuts...and we'll also have to take back Wiggins. 

That is one of the horrible trades that comes from Realgm delusional fans we complain about.

With? That is ALOT!! That is what you give up for Embiid or Jokic. I wouldn't even give that up for KAT. Well, maybe minus Huerter.

[JCDBaptist]

11 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The latest GSW rumor is for Myles Turner from the Pacers.

And he we are talking about gutting our whole team and future for a Myles Turner swap.

[JCDBaptist]

4 hours ago, EazyRoc said:

I highly doubt JW gets moved for so little. There is absolutely no precedent for a first overall pick being dealt for such little value.

Anthony Bennett anyone?

[JCDBaptist]

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Wiggins #1 pick, Anthony Bennet #1 pick and Thaddeus Young #12 pick - traded for Kevin Love.

I think you are overvaluing his #1 pick status. 

Remember since last draft, GSW has been trying to move that pick for a win now player.

Beat me to it. I will stop posting now.