Is this better?

[Diesel]

Bogo/Cam/#20  for Beal?

 

 

[niremetal]

No. There is literally no deal that would make sense to bring an undersized, defense-free, scoring-is-his-only-skill-but-he's-mediocre-from-deep-so-he-needs-the-ball-and-time-on-the-clock-to-be-effective 2-guard who makes $35 million a year to be Trae's backcourt partner.

Giving up Bogi (who actually *does* make sense as Trae's backcourt partner) and Cam (our best perimeter defender, whose loss would compound the absolutely horrendous defense we'd be left with after that trade) makes that deal an absolute turdburger with earwax-flavored cheese. Bogi actually was a more effective player overall last year than Beal (.142 WS/48 vs. .132 for Beal, better BPM, better ORtg, better DRtg, better TS%...I could go on), even with Bogi's LP-era struggles.

Fortunately, there is a -1000% chance that Schlenk would do it.

Edited July 26, 2021 by niremetal

[JayBirdHawk]

6 hours ago, niremetal said:

an undersized, defense-free, scoring-is-his-only-skill-but-he's-mediocre-from-deep-so-he-needs-the-ball-and-time-on-the-clock-to-be-effective 2-guard who makes $35 million a year to be Trae's backcourt partner.

Nailed that description, think you missed a few adjectives though. 

[marco102]

No, it is not.

The price point for Beal makes him unattainable for the Hawks. Washington would want too much and  I personally am not willing to give it up for Beal.

His wife on social media also makes me not want to root for Beal.

[thecampster]

8 hours ago, Diesel said:

Bogo/Cam/#20  for Beal?

 

 

This trade would have to go on the 21-22 season where Beal is set to make $34 million.  There is a 12.4 million difference in salaries. Technically it could be worked if the Hawks waived their free agents (except JC).

Beal has a Player Option for 2022 which he would likely reject in order to sign a new max deal. 

Basically you are trading Bogi (at 18 million/year for 2 years), Cam and #20 for a 1 year rental.

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

This trade would have to go on the 21-22 season where Beal is set to make $34 million.  There is a 12.4 million difference in salaries. Technically it could be worked if the Hawks waived their free agents (except JC).

Beal has a Player Option for 2022 which he would likely reject in order to sign a new max deal. 

Basically you are trading Bogi (at 18 million/year for 2 years), Cam and #20 for a 1 year rental.

Yeah, i saw that as I was looking at The Big three in GS asking for Beal (according to reports).  The talk is that Washington will be moving both Beal and Westbrook.  There are less rumors about Westbrook but I saw an article on one of our pages about this kind of trade.   Whereas I do believe that Beal would be an upgrade to Bogi... and his defense isn't as bad as Hawks Homers say.. I don't like the contractual issue of he has a PO next year.  For that reason, I would turn down the thought of this trade.  Understand, under no circumstance is Bogi/Cam/#20 better than Beal... but the contract for me kills the deal. 

[ATLHawks3]

The cost for Beal would make our championship aspirations worse than what it would be if we didn't trade for him. I would much rather target a star that is a 2-way player, and those kind of guys aren't available.

[niremetal]

16 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Whereas I do believe that Beal would be an upgrade to Bogi... his defense isn't as bad as Hawks Homers say.

There are only 5 players who have finished in the bottom 15 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus in each of the past 2 years: Trae, Collin Sexton, Bryn Forbes, Darius Garland, and Beal. We would join Cleveland in having a historically bad defensive backcourt if we were to start him alongside Trae. Oh, and did I mention that his usage rate on offense (34.1%) was higher than Trae or his team's own ball-dominant point guard (Westbrook), which is the only reason he scores so much?

I am not exaggerating one iota when I say that there literally is no shooting guard in the league who would make less sense to bring on than Beal. And we'd have to spend 1/3 of our salary cap for the privilege. For me, the fact that he might be gone after a year (meaning we could use his salary as an expiring contract to trade for a more sensible player) would the best part of any deal.

[JayBirdHawk]

29 minutes ago, Diesel said:

and his defense isn't as bad as Hawks Homers say..

No...it really has been....worse than Trae bad by the same metrics.

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No...it really has been....worse than Trae bad by the same metrics.

Short Memories....

I say often times, players are exposed by the coaches defensive schemes and tendencies.   Like how Trae looked like Trash under LP but not so bad under Nate.  This is the same guy who locked up the likes of Korver, Harden, and others under different coaching schemes. 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

33 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Short Memories....

I say often times, players are exposed by the coaches defensive schemes and tendencies.   Like how Trae looked like Trash under LP but not so bad under Nate.  This is the same guy who locked up the likes of Korver, Harden, and others under different coaching schemes. 

 

2015??? Really? He's bern trending in the wrong direction. 

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

2015??? Really? He's bern trending in the wrong direction. 

He's had different coaching too.  Maybe his coach is just happy with him taking the load on offense and not concerned so much about defense. 

 

[LucastheThird]

I'm sorry @Diesel but Beal costs too much to get and his production would not get us any closer to a championship. Maybe he would focus a bit more on defense if he had Trae running the offense and he didn't need to dribble the ball so much, but everyone said the same thing when Westbrook came to Washington. The dude was playing on an All Star team in the Olympic exhibition games and still wasn't playing defense.

[Dynamo]

No deal for Beal

[Spud2nique]

I bought a Cam jersey a month after we drafted him in June of 2019, he’s gonna rep Atlanta.

I don’t want Beal or his girlfriend anywhere close to our team.

[AHF]

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

Short Memories....

I say often times, players are exposed by the coaches defensive schemes and tendencies.   Like how Trae looked like Trash under LP but not so bad under Nate.  This is the same guy who locked up the likes of Korver, Harden, and others under different coaching schemes. 

 

I'm scratching my head at this.  Trae looked like an elite offensive player who just wasn't converting the wins under LP and looked like one of the best players in the game under Nate.  He has looked elite regardless of coach since the first few months of his rookie season.

[swanlee]

No, we should not f*** with our core roster. Draft and bring in FAs

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

I'm scratching my head at this.  Trae looked like an elite offensive player who just wasn't converting the wins under LP and looked like one of the best players in the game under Nate.  He has looked elite regardless of coach since the first few months of his rookie season.

We were talking about defense.  Under LP, Trae was labelled the worst defender in the league.  Under Nate.... Not so bad.

[MaceCase]

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

2015??? Really? He's bern trending in the wrong direction. 

It’s so odd.  Beal came into the league touted as a preeminent 3 and D prospect, something like a more dynamic Klay Thompson.  Trended that way for a short while, finally hit that sweet spot for a season, and then it’s like a switch just went off and he decided “defense wins championships but offense gets you paid!”

“All of that defending nonsense?  Naw, not for me.  All of that catch and shoot nonsense? Nope, not no more, I don’t even like 3s.  Just give me the ball and get out the way!”

Him and Oladipo are the worst offenders when it comes to hype vs reality.  It’s like they both realized that they’d never reach the levels they were projected to but they’ll fake the funk as far as counting stats are concerned. 

[AHF]

47 minutes ago, Diesel said:

We were talking about defense.  Under LP, Trae was labelled the worst defender in the league.  Under Nate.... Not so bad.

Those who follow him closely already saw the improvement.  He just got some limited credit for it once we started winning games.  I don't think he transformed from where he was when LP was fired to where he finished the season under Nate. Any incremental improvement was just a continuation of the small step development he has been doing over the last two years.