NBASupes Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said: That is what will earn him a ton of minutes this year. He can come off the bench for Dre, JBap, and even CC and put up good numbers without plays being run for him. JJ isn't gonna get a lot of mins but I can see him beating Solo for mins. The majority of his mins will come from College Park 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: This is a controversial and bold statement. But it may be the truth. Johnson's perimeter and ball handling skills can't be denied. He's easily the better passer. And I think he's the better isolation player, although De'Andre has vastly improved his midrange game. Cam is potentially a better 3 point shooter, but consistency has been his issue from that range. I wouldn't say that he's a better man defender than De'Andre or Cam, but he definitely has a better array of offensive skills than those two. It's going to be VERY INTERESTING how Nate uses him. You almost have to play him at the 3, with spot minutes at the 4. He definitely makes Gallo expendable either during the season, or next offseason. NBADraft.net ratings Athleticism 8 Size 8 Defense 8 Strength 8 Quickness 8 Leadership 7 Jump Shot 7 NBA Ready 7 Ball Handling 8 Potential 9 Passing 8 Intangibles 7 Overall 93 To me, the ratings in red are ridiculous. The guy is easily one of the 5 best athletes in this draft. And at 6-9, his size is ideal to put at the 3 and even as a small ball 4 in a quick lineup He didn't shoot the 3 with enough volume in college, so I can see why people may have had doubts with his long range shooting. But I'm tempted to even bump him up here. He's DEFINITELY NBA ready. I don't think few people can deny that. And as far as intangibles, he has that too, with the way he can be a secondary ball handler and be a very good weak side defender. He's also ultra confident, which will help him adjust to the league very quickly. Nate has a very good problem on his hands. He has a playoff tested team that has good to great chemistry together. And he doesn't have to rush putting the kids on the floor in expanded roles. But how do you keep Jalen Johnson out of this rotation? I honestly don't think you can. At minimum, he completely takes over the Solo spot as our 3rd string SF/PF. At maximum . . . he plays well enough to justify him being the 6th/7th man . . . or even starting, if Hunter and Reddish continue to be hampered by injuries. And by the start of the 2022 - 23 season, our best wing may be Johnson . . . not Hunter or Reddish. Yeah I think the pressure will be really on Hunter and Cam not just because they have been in the league for three years, but becuase the team has it is ready to compete now. And now you have this dude coming on like gang busters. I do think he is more of a 3/4 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted August 15, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said: Yeah I think the pressure will be really on Hunter and Cam not just because they have been in the league for three years, but becuase the team has it is ready to compete now. And now you have this dude coming on like gang busters. I do think he is more of a 3/4 though. That goes for everyone on this roster. Everyone has to bring it on a nightly basis. Everyone has quality behind him, including Trae 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, NBASupes said: JJ isn't gonna get a lot of mins but I can see him beating Solo for mins. The majority of his mins will come from College Park Not sure about that. There will inevitably be injuries and some resting going on. I think his style of play will make it hard for Nate to keep him off the floor. Hope him and Deuce Coop can create some good chemistry together in the G League. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member niremetal Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said: Not sure about that. There will inevitably be injuries and some resting going on. I think his style of play will make it hard for Nate to keep him off the floor. Hope him and Deuce Coop can create some good chemistry together in the G League. I think that the best thing for both of them is to practice with the Hawks but play their games in College Park. Much as I've been impressed by both Jalen and Deuce Coop in Summer League...it's still just Summer League. There is still miles of difference between the players they're up against this week and even marginal NBA rotation players. I just don't think that either of them is going to be able to come right in and be more effective than the guys in our second unit, much less the starters. Give them some burn against the G League, and have them run through practices against the vets. Give them occasional auditions in real games so they get a feel for what they're up against at the highest level. Nate will know if/when they're ready for more, just like he did with OO last year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said: Not sure about that. There will inevitably be injuries and some resting going on. I think his style of play will make it hard for Nate to keep him off the floor. Hope him and Deuce Coop can create some good chemistry together in the G League. He's currently 5th in the rotation and would be 6th when Okongwu is back. No telling if who we sign from Greece could be in front of him as well. There is more to this than talent. This isn't the Hawks of the rebuilding era. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, niremetal said: I think that the best thing for both of them is to practice with the Hawks but play their games in College Park. Much as I've been impressed by both Jalen and Deuce Coop in Summer League...it's still just Summer League. There is still miles of difference between the players they're up against this week and even marginal NBA rotation players. I just don't think that either of them is going to be able to come right in and be more effective than the guys in our second unit, much less the starters. Give them some burn against the G League, and have them run through practices against the vets. Give them occasional auditions in real games so they get a feel for what they're up against at the highest level. Nate will know if/when they're ready for more, just like he did with OO last year. This is the most likely scenario. But I believe deep in the middle of the season, these guys will win some games for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, niremetal said: I think that the best thing for both of them is to practice with the Hawks but play their games in College Park. Much as I've been impressed by both Jalen and Deuce Coop in Summer League...it's still just Summer League. There is still miles of difference between the players they're up against this week and even marginal NBA rotation players. I just don't think that either of them is going to be able to come right in and be more effective than the guys in our second unit, much less the starters. Give them some burn against the G League, and have them run through practices against the vets. Give them occasional auditions in real games so they get a feel for what they're up against at the highest level. Nate will know if/when they're ready for more, just like he did with OO last year. I agree. Having these two built a report with each other and play when teams are scheming them will do wonders for their development. So much JJ needs to work on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member MarylandHawk Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, NBASupes said: He's currently 5th in the rotation and would be 6th when Okongwu is back. No telling if who we sign from Greece could be in front of him as well. There is more to this than talent. This isn't the Hawks of the rebuilding era. True, but it is a long season. Remember Solo played like the third most minutes on the team last year when he was supposed to be a locker room guy. If Coop and Dyno get a significant chance, I don’t think they let go of their grip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: This is a controversial and bold statement. But it may be the truth. Johnson's perimeter and ball handling skills can't be denied. He's easily the better passer. And I think he's the better isolation player, although De'Andre has vastly improved his midrange game. Cam is potentially a better 3 point shooter, but consistency has been his issue from that range. I wouldn't say that he's a better man defender than De'Andre or Cam, but he definitely has a better array of offensive skills than those two. It's going to be VERY INTERESTING how Nate uses him. You almost have to play him at the 3, with spot minutes at the 4. He definitely makes Gallo expendable either during the season, or next offseason. NBADraft.net ratings Athleticism 8 Size 8 Defense 8 Strength 8 Quickness 8 Leadership 7 Jump Shot 7 NBA Ready 7 Ball Handling 8 Potential 9 Passing 8 Intangibles 7 Overall 93 To me, the ratings in red are ridiculous. The guy is easily one of the 5 best athletes in this draft. And at 6-9, his size is ideal to put at the 3 and even as a small ball 4 in a quick lineup He didn't shoot the 3 with enough volume in college, so I can see why people may have had doubts with his long range shooting. But I'm tempted to even bump him up here. He's DEFINITELY NBA ready. I don't think few people can deny that. And as far as intangibles, he has that too, with the way he can be a secondary ball handler and be a very good weak side defender. He's also ultra confident, which will help him adjust to the league very quickly. Nate has a very good problem on his hands. He has a playoff tested team that has good to great chemistry together. And he doesn't have to rush putting the kids on the floor in expanded roles. But how do you keep Jalen Johnson out of this rotation? I honestly don't think you can. At minimum, he completely takes over the Solo spot as our 3rd string SF/PF. At maximum . . . he plays well enough to justify him being the 6th/7th man . . . or even starting, if Hunter and Reddish continue to be hampered by injuries. And by the start of the 2022 - 23 season, our best wing may be Johnson . . . not Hunter or Reddish. You forgot Collins..He may be better than him too...I see Jalen as more of a 4 than a 3..He made a helluva block as a 5 tonight..lol.. Edited August 15, 2021 by terrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said: True, but it is a long season. Remember Solo played like the third most minutes on the team last year when he was supposed to be a locker room guy. If Coop and Dyno get a significant chance, I don’t think they let go of their grip. Three big differences 1. This isn't 72 games compacted where everyone had injuries due to it and we had the 3rd most outside of Cleveland and Orlando. 2. With a regular schedule, I expect players to rarely play at the bottom of the rotation which is the norm. 3. He's so far in the back of the depth chart like Cooper. They are being promoted on College Park website. The plan is for them to play the season in College Park. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Atlantaholic Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: He reminds me of Smoove. He just has a lot less flaws but like Campster said, Smoove was stronger at this stage and he was more athletic but JJ got a nice touch on his shot. He's really comfortable on the ball on the block like Smoove or faceup. His handle while isn't great is far stronger than Smoove. He just feels the game so well. I don't scratch my head at a lot of his decisions. That said, he's risky with the rock and them shaky handles get him in trouble He's got a lot more skills offensively than Josh, lacks the absolutely incredible timing for blocks and insane hops young Josh had. That's not to say Jalen hasn't showed some fantastic athleticism but young Josh was one of the freakiest athletes I've ever seen. Jalen is more Collins as far as hops, which obviously is still fantastic, but just not Slam Dunk champ caliber. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Atlantaholic said: He's got a lot more skills offensively than Josh, lacks the absolutely incredible timing for blocks and insane hops young Josh had. That's not to say Jalen hasn't showed some fantastic athleticism but young Josh was one of the freakiest athletes I've ever seen. Jalen is more Collins as far as hops, which obviously is still fantastic, but just not Slam Dunk champ caliber. Josh had a lot of skill, just not a lot of polish. This kid has a lot of polish. He was extremely productive in college for a freshman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Popular Post capstone21 Posted August 15, 2021 Admin Popular Post Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Before we start overreacting and calling him the next great thing … this is summer league which means nothing much … you are expected to do good … JJ might be a real contributor (and I hope he will be) but right now he hasn’t proven a thing snd has not played against any real competition. After he actually gets his feet wet against the real league can we make real judgments where he stands against our other players. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 He may be. It's not like Cam or Hunter have really established themselves and anything is possible. But until we see him against NBA level competition we're just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 He quit on his team. Nobody in their mind can defend that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alex said: He quit on his team. Nobody in their mind can defend that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member niremetal Posted August 15, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, Alex said: He quit on his team. Nobody in their mind can defend that. For me, it's the fact it happened twice. I'll still get past that if he can make it through a year in College Park and playing nothing but garbage time in the Association without pouting. Or, obviously, if he proves so dominant that he actually earns himself a rotation role this year and keeps it (which I still seriously doubt will happen absent multiple frontcourt injuries). Until he faces adversity and pushes through it at this level, I feel like I'll still be waiting for the other shoe to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sillent Posted August 15, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: This is a controversial and bold statement. But it may be the truth. Johnson's perimeter and ball handling skills can't be denied. He's easily the better passer. And I think he's the better isolation player, although De'Andre has vastly improved his midrange game. Cam is potentially a better 3 point shooter, but consistency has been his issue from that range. I wouldn't say that he's a better man defender than De'Andre or Cam, but he definitely has a better array of offensive skills than those two. It's going to be VERY INTERESTING how Nate uses him. You almost have to play him at the 3, with spot minutes at the 4. He definitely makes Gallo expendable either during the season, or next offseason. NBADraft.net ratings Athleticism 8 Size 8 Defense 8 Strength 8 Quickness 8 Leadership 7 Jump Shot 7 NBA Ready 7 Ball Handling 8 Potential 9 Passing 8 Intangibles 7 Overall 93 To me, the ratings in red are ridiculous. The guy is easily one of the 5 best athletes in this draft. And at 6-9, his size is ideal to put at the 3 and even as a small ball 4 in a quick lineup He didn't shoot the 3 with enough volume in college, so I can see why people may have had doubts with his long range shooting. But I'm tempted to even bump him up here. He's DEFINITELY NBA ready. I don't think few people can deny that. And as far as intangibles, he has that too, with the way he can be a secondary ball handler and be a very good weak side defender. He's also ultra confident, which will help him adjust to the league very quickly. Nate has a very good problem on his hands. He has a playoff tested team that has good to great chemistry together. And he doesn't have to rush putting the kids on the floor in expanded roles. But how do you keep Jalen Johnson out of this rotation? I honestly don't think you can. At minimum, he completely takes over the Solo spot as our 3rd string SF/PF. At maximum . . . he plays well enough to justify him being the 6th/7th man . . . or even starting, if Hunter and Reddish continue to be hampered by injuries. And by the start of the 2022 - 23 season, our best wing may be Johnson . . . not Hunter or Reddish. I like the enthusiasm and it will probably be true in 3 -4yrs. We can't forget though that he's still a rookie. If he was bullying summer league ala like a LeBron James in his early yrs I would absolutely agree. He's ultimately just going to push guys like Cam and Dre same way they pushed Huerter in a sense. Nobody wants to lose their spot to a rookie and it brings out the best in competitive nature. His raw skills are better than theirs but I don't know if he'll be a better defender currently. He has all the intangibles but defense doesn't seem to excite him like it does Cam. Hunter is so fundamentally sound on defense it will be hard to catch up with him early on as well. Offensively Jalen Johnson has a ways to go to catch either of them. His athleticism and passing will be his main tools now. JC definitely isn't going to let the rookie take his spot any time soon but that debate might actually look different 3 -4yrs down the road. Jalen should be great but we also have to be realistic about summer league and the adjustments it takes for a rookie. With all the competition on our team though I almost feel sorry for the rest of the league . Not only should it be great practices but players will be anxious coming off the bench that want to prove they are just as good as the starters. Facing this A Squad you better bring your A game because there is going be no let ups. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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