Hawkmoor Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) The Hawks are gonna make the playoffs. No problem there. The Hawks still have a nice squad as currently constituted. My problem is my feeling they can't get into the NBA finals because of the lack of a half court play maker outside of Young. The play and injuries of Bogi and Hunter compound the Hawks over reliance on Young. Here is a 3 team trade proposal that works salary wise ( I checked on this). The very unlikeable part of this trade is the inclusion of Okongwu. Thats the price to be paid if the Hawks felt that Irving could be that missing piece. Regardless of how people feel about Irving, he is still one of the best players in the league. If the Hawks had a filter, they wouldn't have drafted Jalen Johnson. The fanbase would quickly forget the Irving drama if they had a chance to get a star like him in town with Trae. NBA execs keep parroting that Irving's current trade value has tanked because of the drama. They said the same thing about Ben Simmons, mistakenly believing the Sixers would trade him for nothing. The Nets are not gonna let Irving walk for peanuts. Here is the proposal: The Hawks trade Okongwu, Hunter and Huerter to the Spurs. The Spurs send Dejounte Murray to the Hawks. The Hawks immediately trade Murray to the Nets along with Wright and Reddish. The Hawks receive Kyrie Irving and Nic Claxton from the Nets. Why the Spurs would do this: Pops likes developing young talent. Murray, though a fabulous guard, isn't really the floor general type that Pops likes. This hurts their back court regardless, but they would be getting a nice haul to build around. They can address point guard in the lottery which is where they most likely gonna be. Why the Nets do this: The obvious, and a chance to get a haul for Irving with his perceived value taking a hit currently. Why the Hawks do this: Even John Hollinger has stated with the "Athletic" that the Hawks would rather stay still as currently constituted, but doesn't rule out a major trade. Georgia doesn't have the same rules as New York and New Jersey. Travis did a fabulous job stacking depth, but if that depth stays hurt (Hunter) and you found value in Reddish, why not bump Johnson into the rotation early. You still got Bogi and Gali with this proposal so its not a total gutting of the Hawks roster. Bogi could help the bench scoring. pg Trae Young sg Kyrie Irving sf Solomon Hill pf John Collins c Clint Capela Edited December 2, 2021 by Hawkmoor 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 The shocker is Solomon Hill as a starter Oh and as for the rest of the deal: Edit: this is so laughably bad, I think I'm on hidden camera. Hunter, Huerter, Reddish, OO and Wright for Kyrie and Nic 3 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkmoor Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said: The shocker is Solomon Hill as a starter Oh and as for the rest of the deal: Small forward is just a body in this lineup...lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted December 2, 2021 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 He almost had me but this got to be a joke. When i saw Solo in the starting lineup with a Trae/Kyrie backcourt i knew i'd been had. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkmoor Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, macdaddy said: He almost had me but this got to be a joke. When i saw Solo in the starting lineup with a Trae/Kyrie backcourt i knew i'd been had. Who cares about the Solo part? They could insert Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot there. Doesn't matter. Its the problem that the Hawks could present to other teams with that backcourt and the pairing of Collins and Capela upfront. pg Young sg Irving sf Cabarrot pf Collins c Capela Edited December 2, 2021 by Hawkmoor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said: Who cares about the Solo part? They could insert Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot there. Doesn't matter. Its the problem that the Hawks could present to other teams with that backcourt and the pairing of Collins and Capela upfront. pg Young sg Irving sf Cabarrot pf Collins c Capela 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smoove31210 Posted December 2, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Is this an online version of Punk'D? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said: The play and injuries of Bogi and Hunter compound the Hawks over reliance on Young. since we are talking injuries: Kyrie has his own injury concerns as well as Nix Claxton who has only played 4 games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted December 2, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Ok. I guess you are serious. So here are the issues i see Trae/Kyrie is a terrible backcourt that will get scored on like crazy We give up half our team of young, cheap very good talent (which would be a huge overpay) Kyrie would probably just quit anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Trade Trae for Kyrie strait up. Then trade Cam, Kevin and Dre for Ben Simmons. Take over the league with our Kyrie and Simmons pairing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimaskway23 Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Whole team vaccinated and kyrie isn't....this is dumb for many reasons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted December 2, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said: since we are talking injuries: Kyrie has his own injury concerns as well as Nix Claxton who has only played 4 games this season. Kyrie has a history of missing time with ankle injuries, hamstring sprains and other injury concerns. He missed 29 games in 2016; 10 games in 17; 22 games in 18; 15 games in 19; 52 games in 20; 18 games in 21; and 21 games year to date in the 2021-22 season due to yet another sprain between the ears.. Also a Trae / Kyrie backcourt is a defensive nightmare (for us...opposing guards would drool). He has been a handful for management over the years. He couldn't handle the jealousy of playing around LeBron and so jumped to Boston to lead his own team. He couldn't handle being the #1 guy and put up a stinker in the post-season when the opposing defense keyed on him (instead of him getting good looks because LeBron and KD draw the most attention) and so jumped to the Nets to join with bigger names and return to a supporting role (where in fairness he excels). Now he is being sent home because his presence is considered a net negative to the team until he does what virtually every other NBA player has done and just gets a shot and returns to the court. Selfish, tempermental and an injury risk. Easy pass. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Hawkmoor said: The Hawks are gonna make the playoffs. No problem there. The Hawks still have a nice squad as currently constituted. My problem is my feeling they can't get into the NBA finals because of the lack of a half court play maker outside of Young. The play and injuries of Bogi and Hunter compound the Hawks over reliance on Young. Here is a 3 team trade proposal that works salary wise ( I checked on this). The very unlikeable part of this trade is the inclusion of Okongwu. Thats the price to be paid if the Hawks felt that Irving could be that missing piece. Regardless of how people feel about Irving, he is still one of the best players in the league. If the Hawks had a filter, they wouldn't have drafted Jalen Johnson. The fanbase would quickly forget the Irving drama if they had a chance to get a star like him in town with Trae. NBA execs keep parroting that Irving's current trade value has tanked because of the drama. They said the same thing about Ben Simmons, mistakenly believing the Sixers would trade him for nothing. The Nets are not gonna let Irving walk for peanuts. Here is the proposal: The Hawks trade Okongwu, Hunter and Huerter to the Spurs. The Spurs send Dejounte Murray to the Hawks. The Hawks immediately trade Murray to the Nets along with Wright and Reddish. The Hawks receive Kyrie Irving and Nic Claxton from the Nets. Why the Spurs would do this: Pops likes developing young talent. Murray, though a fabulous guard, isn't really the floor general type that Pops likes. This hurts their back court regardless, but they would be getting a nice haul to build around. They can address point guard in the lottery which is where they most likely gonna be. Why the Nets do this: The obvious, and a chance to get a haul for Irving with his perceived value taking a hit currently. Why the Hawks do this: Even John Hollinger has stated with the "Athletic" that the Hawks would rather stay still as currently constituted, but doesn't rule out a major trade. Georgia doesn't have the same rules as New York and New Jersey. Travis did a fabulous job stacking depth, but if that depth stays hurt (Hunter) and you found value in Reddish, why not bump Johnson into the rotation early. You still got Bogi and Gali with this proposal so its not a total gutting of the Hawks roster. Bogi could help the bench scoring. pg Trae Young sg Kyrie Irving sf Solomon Hill pf John Collins c Clint Capela Hawkmoor confirmed double agent!!! For basketball reasons... that back court defense would be so dreadful it does not matter if Collins/Capela were playing at DPOY levels. You can't win a chip with 0 wing defense or Utah would probably have 2 right now. Also I had a visceral reaction to trading every single young promising player away for a guy who doesn't want to lace up. My bootleg OO jersey is still on a boat in the pacific and you're trying to trade him away smh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, AHF said: 21 games year to date in the 2021-22 season due to yet another sprain between the ears.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Oh I forgot to add that no stating lineup with Solomon Hill in it will ever win anything, period. Teams could play triangle and 2 on that lineup and face guard Trae/Kyrie every possession and we probably couldn't score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, JeffS17 said: My bootleg OO jersey is still on a boat in the pacific and you're trying to trade him away smh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkmoor Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said: since we are talking injuries: Kyrie has his own injury concerns as well as Nix Claxton who has only played 4 games this season. Thats correct. Claxton is getting in shape to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkmoor Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, macdaddy said: Ok. I guess you are serious. So here are the issues i see Trae/Kyrie is a terrible backcourt that will get scored on like crazy We give up half our team of young, cheap very good talent (which would be a huge overpay) Kyrie would probably just quit anyway. You put some analysis into it. I appreciate that. I agree that the price is steep. My concern about the defense isn't there because it is not like Trae/Bogi is scaring anybody on defense. You are really saying that you prefer a Trae/Bogi over Trae/Irving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted December 2, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said: Thats correct. Claxton is getting in shape to come back. He's another injury prone player, rather the one we know in Onyeka. Onyeka played 50 games in one season, Nic has played 47 games over TWO seasons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkmoor Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said: He's another injury prone player, rather the one we know in Onyeka. Onyeka played 50 games in one season, Nic has played 47 games over TWO seasons Its a moot point because Hunter can't stay on the court. Reddish can't stay on the court and Bogi is right there behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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