What are some deadline deals that you think can help this team now and into the future?

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Hawkmoor said:

Bogi is the problem.  A non defender at the two guard BETTER be elite on offense.  The mistake was Bogi instead of DeMar DeRozan.  I got clowned for suggesting DeRozan on this board.  I heard one of the announcers on the Bulls vs Grizzlies game say that the Bulls were clowned for signing DeRozan to a big contract.  The Bulls have gotten the last laugh.  

pg Young

sg DeRozan

sf Hunter

pf Collins

c Okongwu    Capela can go too. 

DeRozen is making $27 mil per year.  Don't think the Hawks can afford that contract

[Hawkmoor]

6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

DeRozen is making $27 mil per year.  Don't think the Hawks can afford that contract

Bogi making 18 million a year.  Money wasn't and isn't the issue.  The Hawks never tried to sign DeRozan.  The Hawks could've moved contracts just this past off season to sign DeRozan.  Bogi being one of them.  DeRozan NEVER should have been a Spur in the first place.  There have been several times the Hawks could've looked his way but didn't.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Hawkmoor said:

Bogi making 18 million a year.  Money wasn't and isn't the issue.  The Hawks never tried to sign DeRozan.  The Hawks could've moved contracts just this past off season to sign DeRozan.  Bogi being one of them.  DeRozan NEVER should have been a Spur in the first place.  There have been several times the Hawks could've looked his way but didn't.

Well I hope we can move Bogi...Something tells me that he will be here his entire contract though

[AHF]

33 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

 

You could say the same thing about shots at the rim.  If we find out Gallo converts at a higher percentage at the rim than Collins, does it make Gallo a "better" inside player?  You just can't ignore context.  

No reason to argue this.  It's too easy to understand.  PJ Tucker converts at a high rate when he only takes a couple corner threes a game.  No one ever talks about him as one of the best shooters in the league.  

You can and should absolutely look at shots at the rim or anywhere else on the floor by breaking them down into the applicable situation where possible.  If we find out that Gallo converts at a much higher % than JC on post-ups then it may reflect he is a better guy to feature on iso post-ups than JC (noting that Gallo tends to be marked by smaller players in this scenario whereas JC doesn't enjoy that same benefit).   If you look at Gallo's success rate rim running in PnR scenarios and see it is way below JC's number in the same situation, then that would suggest that you are better off running the PnR with JC than with Gallo.  

In the case of their 3pt shots, Gallo takes more attempts, shoots a better % than JC both while guarded and while unguarded, and is asked to take a much higher % of those shots while guarded.  Suggests to me that Gallo is the better shooter from range.  In the case of shots at the rim, JC takes many more shots there than Gallo and still shoots 5% better from 0-3 feet of the rim.  More breakdown and context would be helpful, but generally shooting a higher volume means you are taking more challenging shots and so also shooting a higher % in that context is really strong statement.

[Sothron]

Bogi healthy is just below All Star level. Bogi hurt is, well, not good. I honestly think he needs a MRI on his right knee to see if he has damage. I like Bogi, actually a good bit, but I would trade him in a second to get an upgrade.

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Bogi healthy is just below All Star level. Bogi hurt is, well, not good. I honestly think he needs a MRI on his right knee to see if he has damage. I like Bogi, actually a good bit, but I would trade him in a second to get an upgrade.

Last year when healthy Bogi was very near All-Star level.  That is the only stretch he has had at that level in his career.  Hence, I don't buy that it is his baseline whenever healthy.  There is no doubt his injuries have hurt him this year on both sides of the floor so I definitely don't say this season is reflective of his value when healthy either.

[Sothron]

Just now, AHF said:

Last year when healthy Bogi was very near All-Star level.  That is the only stretch he has had at that level in his career.  Hence, I don't buy that it is his baseline whenever healthy.  There is no doubt his injuries have hurt him this year on both sides of the floor so I definitely don't say this season is reflective of his value when healthy either.

He had good seasons in Sac before he got here. I'm hoping we can move him in a trade and get a major upgrade as a result. I think what we saw in last season was prime Bogi when he actually has a good team around him. What we've seen this year is him playing on one leg. 

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

He had good seasons in Sac before he got here. I'm hoping we can move him in a trade and get a major upgrade as a result. I think what we saw in last season was prime Bogi when he actually has a good team around him. What we've seen this year is him playing on one leg. 

He had fine seasons but not borderline All-Star seasons while in Sacramento.  ~15 points, 3.5 boards, 3.5 assists, ~.550% TS%, unexceptional defense is not in the All-Star discussion.

[Sothron]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

He had fine seasons but not borderline All-Star seasons while in Sacramento.  ~15 points, 3.5 boards, 3.5 assists, ~.550% TS%, unexceptional defense is not in the All-Star discussion.

I said just below All Star level and that was his season last year when he came back fully healthy. That is the only snapshot of his NBA career where he was healthy and on a good team. The results speak for themselves.

[AHF]

Just now, Sothron said:

I said just below All Star level and that was his season last year when he came back fully healthy. That is the only snapshot of his NBA career where he was healthy and on a good team. The results speak for themselves.

I said at the time he was playing over his head and still think so.  Time will tell whether he sustains that level of play ever again but I'd bet against it.

[Sothron]

Just now, AHF said:

I said at the time he was playing over his head and still think so.  Time will tell whether he sustains that level of play ever again but I'd bet against it.

He couldn't sustain that level of shooting efficiency but it wasn't just his shooting I am talking about. He was an above average defender. He was creating shots for himself and others. He was attacking the basket. You don't see ANY of that this year from him. It is a night and day difference and that has nothing to do with hot shooting from three. I repeat: I think there is something wrong with his knee. He needs an MRI to see if he needs surgery. He is a full step and a half slower this season than last season.

[AHF]

1 minute ago, Sothron said:

He couldn't sustain that level of shooting efficiency but it wasn't just his shooting I am talking about. He was an above average defender. He was creating shots for himself and others. He was attacking the basket. You don't see ANY of that this year from him. It is a night and day difference and that has nothing to do with hot shooting from three. I repeat: I think there is something wrong with his knee. He needs an MRI to see if he needs surgery. He is a full step and a half slower this season than last season.

I think it was his red hot shooting that pushed him to borderline All-Star level.  Where we agree 100% is that he has been hampered this year and it has affected just about every part of his game negatively.  Definitely hope it is more of a nagging/recurring issue and not something seriously wrong with him.  So recap for me is that "hot 2021 Bogi" isn't his baseline - it was a hot stretch.  But his baseline is significantly better in every area than we've seen this year.

His career per 36 average is 17.5 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .559% TS%.  Rebounding is the only area he isn't significantly worse this season.  His hot streak per 36 was closer to 22.5 points, 4.1 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .662% TS%.  The scoring is the big difference.   

When healthy, I'd expect his scoring to return to something closer to those career average numbers (something like per36 18.5 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.2 assists on .565% TS%) which is a big improvement over this year (driven primarily by his shooting, his ability to be more of a playmaker and his movement permitting him to defend more effectively).  But those numbers wouldn't be in the discussion for the All-Star game where he'd be competing against guys like Jaylen Brown (25+ pp36, 7 rp36, 3.5 ap36 with better defense).

[sturt]

Kenrich Williams probably is a name that's appeared somewhere in this thread b/c I remember someone mentioning him a month or two ago.

I'm on board.

 

 

[Diesel]

 

1 hour ago, aali34 said:

If John took 7 threes a game while shooting over 40% noone would say anything.

He's got areas in his game that he can improve on. Pointing them out isn't hating, its showing how high his potential is.

Yeah, But Klay can't posterize opposing centers on a run by...

This is what you don't understand about JC.   He's not just a 3 pt shooter.  He shot 56% from the field last year.   Do you know how freaking hard that is to do??  AND shoot 40% from 3?

How many PFs are in the 50/40 club?

There's only 2 others that have done it...  Kevin Durant and Dirk...

Yet you fault him for not being as good as a specialist... when he's actually shooting better than the specialist. 

 

[Diesel]

46 minutes ago, AHF said:

Last year when healthy Bogi was very near All-Star level.  That is the only stretch he has had at that level in his career.  Hence, I don't buy that it is his baseline whenever healthy.  There is no doubt his injuries have hurt him this year on both sides of the floor so I definitely don't say this season is reflective of his value when healthy either.

Well, that's hard to say...

Last year was the only time that he has ever played beside a scorer like Trae as a fulltime 2.   How do we know that the 43.5% was not his baseline with us?  The point, he has to get healthy so that we can see just what he is. 

 

[Peoriabird]

23 minutes ago, AHF said:

I think it was his red hot shooting that pushed him to borderline All-Star level.  Where we agree 100% is that he has been hampered this year and it has affected just about every part of his game negatively.  Definitely hope it is more of a nagging/recurring issue and not something seriously wrong with him.  So recap for me is that "hot 2021 Bogi" isn't his baseline - it was a hot stretch.  But his baseline is significantly better in every area than we've seen this year.

His career per 36 average is 17.5 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .559% TS%.  Rebounding is the only area he isn't significantly worse this season.  His hot streak per 36 was closer to 22.5 points, 4.1 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .662% TS%.  The scoring is the big difference.   

When healthy, I'd expect his scoring to return to something closer to those career average numbers (something like per36 18.5 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.2 assists on .565% TS%) which is a big improvement over this year (driven primarily by his shooting, his ability to be more of a playmaker and his movement permitting him to defend more effectively).  But those numbers wouldn't be in the discussion for the All-Star game where he'd be competing against guys like Jaylen Brown (25+ pp36, 7 rp36, 3.5 ap36 with better defense).

Bogi was not a borderline all star last year.  Not sure he got 1 coach's vote to be an all star or to be on the Olympic team  The fan base overrates him so much and underrates John equally and I can't figure out why.  We've seen players go on these torrid streaks before like a Taurean Prince, Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams or THjr only to regress back to their baseline.  Why is so hard to understand that Bogi falls squarely in that category.

[kg01]

Geez, no one said he was a borderline all-star.  Read, man.

Anyways, did I read that Cauley-Stein was released or something?  Is he trash or could he help our big man rotation?

@bird_dirt @AHF Where our Kentucky boys at?

In words no one thought would ever be spoken, we're looking to you guys for knowledge.

[aali34]

35 minutes ago, Diesel said:

 

Yeah, But Klay can't posterize opposing centers on a run by...

This is what you don't understand about JC.   He's not just a 3 pt shooter.  He shot 56% from the field last year.   Do you know how freaking hard that is to do??  AND shoot 40% from 3?

How many PFs are in the 50/40 club?

There's only 2 others that have done it...  Kevin Durant and Dirk...

Yet you fault him for not being as good as a specialist... when he's actually shooting better than the specialist. 

 

I just said Gallo/Klay was a better shooter I never faulted him for his shortcomings.

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

He couldn't sustain that level of shooting efficiency but it wasn't just his shooting I am talking about. He was an above average defender. He was creating shots for himself and others. He was attacking the basket. You don't see ANY of that this year from him. It is a night and day difference and that has nothing to do with hot shooting from three. I repeat: I think there is something wrong with his knee. He needs an MRI to see if he needs surgery. He is a full step and a half slower this season than last season.

Him playing in the playoffs ruined that knee. He needs a long period of time off to likely heal it.

If healthy he is a great player to have. I too am skeptical of his health tho. Travis would be smart to move off for an upgrade if he feels this way as well

[macdaddy]

52 minutes ago, sturt said:

Kenrich Williams probably is a name that's appeared somewhere in this thread b/c I remember someone mentioning him a month or two ago.

I'm on board.

 

 

I don't know his game very well but these are the kind of under the radar deals that can help with the playoff run.   Especially if they'll take 2nd rounder or something.