I hope you offensive junkies are watching the playoffs closely this year!

[Peoriabird]

It should be apparent that finesse teams don't have a chance in todays NBA because all of remaining teams are bringing it on defense.  Nate you better wake up and put in some sound defensive scheme to compete in the future.  All this talk about some #2 creator bs gets nullified in the playoffs.  Just ask KD/Irving, Kat/Edwards, Paul/Booker, Morant/Banes, Lavine/Derozen, Hardin/Embiid, Igram/McCollum, Mitchell/Conley etc.  You need depth and versatility in today's playoffs but most of all you need defense!!  So if Schlenk consolidates this roster by giving up valuable depth while Nate continues to play just 7 players even when things are not going well, this team will forever be on the treadmill!

[Peoriabird]

Oh I left out the 2nd most important team aspect...Secure that freaking defensive rebound period!

[JTB]

I still think we need a second creator or scorer but I wouldn’t be mad if Schlenk went full defensive overhaul if he feels that’s the best route to move forward and I mean full defensive overhaul surrounding Trae of course.

I think the point you made on needing versatility is a goal that Schlenk has been trying to do since he’s been here but it’s easier said than done of course.

I don’t think anyone has to worry about Schlenk consolidating depth to get a second star unless Schlenk and the Front Office agrees to some kind of small rebuild which is unlikely.

many of the players we are rumored for can be a 2 for 1 deal. Like Capela + Bogi for Gobert or in Aytons case Capela for Ayton would work in a SnT I believe. Im good as long as Schlenk feels very strong about the whatever player we are acquiring in a trade.

[macdaddy]

13 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

It should be apparent that finesse teams don't have a chance in todays NBA because all of remaining teams are bringing it on defense.  Nate you better wake up and put in some sound defensive scheme to compete in the future.  All this talk about some #2 creator bs gets nullified in the playoffs.  Just ask KD/Irving, Kat/Edwards, Paul/Booker, Morant/Banes, Lavine/Derozen, Hardin/Embiid, Igram/McCollum, Mitchell/Conley etc.  You need depth and versatility in today's playoffs but most of all you need defense!!  So if Schlenk consolidates this roster by giving up valuable depth while Nate continues to play just 7 players even when things are not going well, this team will forever be on the treadmill!

Or we could ask Tatum/Brown Luka/Brunson or Steph/Klay.   Sure Miami is there but they have 3 guys who are probably better offensive players than our #2.  

But you also just listed out that nearly EVERY team in the playoffs has 2 offensive stars so.....

[Peoriabird]

51 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Or we could ask Tatum/Brown Luka/Brunson or Steph/Klay.   Sure Miami is there but they have 3 guys who are probably better offensive players than our #2.  

But you also just listed out that nearly EVERY team in the playoffs has 2 offensive stars so.....

Brown didn't do Jack last night

Brunson ain't even an all star...neither was Klay

[marco102]

10 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Brown didn't do Jack last night

Brunson ain't even an all star...neither was Klay

This is a strawman. 

What you can say about all the teams remaining is they have multiple two way players/3 and D players. 

Versatility gets you deep in the playoffs, not just defense or all offense.  You need both.

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

What you can say about all the teams remaining is they have multiple two way players/3 and D players. 

Versatility gets you deep in the playoffs, not just defense or all offense.  You need both.

I created an entire thread about this very thing.

[Gray Mule]

The entire idea is to outscore your opponent by whatever means possible.  If you play outstanding defense, it is still necessary to score more than your opponent.  If you have outstanding offense, you must still stop your opponent from scoring more,

Hawks didn't.  Porous defense + poor offense = early exit from the playoffs.  

Needs fixin'

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Gray Mule said:

The entire idea is to outscore your opponent by whatever means possible.  If you play outstanding defense, it is still necessary to score more than your opponent.  If you have outstanding offense, you must still stop your opponent from scoring more,

Hawks didn't.  Porous defense + poor offense = early exit from the playoffs.  

Needs fixin'

Defense leads to offense...we saw that on full display in that decisive 3rd quarter!

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Defense leads to offense...we saw that on full display in that decisive 3rd quarter!

I think we all agree both are needed.  Making buckets improves your defense by limiting transition opportunities.  

 The Bucks have by far the best defensive rating in the postseason.  2 points better than the heat.  But their offensive rating was worse than the Hawks and second to last in the playoffs.   They had elite defense but it didn't matter in the end because Middleton went down and they didn't have an elite wing scorer.  

 

 

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

I think we all agree both are needed.  Making buckets improves your defense by limiting transition opportunities.  

 The Bucks have by far the best defensive rating in the postseason.  2 points better than the heat.  But their offensive rating was worse than the Hawks and second to last in the playoffs.   They had elite defense but it didn't matter in the end because Middleton went down and they didn't have an elite wing scorer.  

 

 

So wait..you are saying the Heat defense didn't shut down Trae? Or that their defense didn't determine last night's game?

[Diesel]

15 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

It should be apparent that finesse teams don't have a chance in todays NBA because all of remaining teams are bringing it on defense.  Nate you better wake up and put in some sound defensive scheme to compete in the future.  All this talk about some #2 creator bs gets nullified in the playoffs.  Just ask KD/Irving, Kat/Edwards, Paul/Booker, Morant/Banes, Lavine/Derozen, Hardin/Embiid, Igram/McCollum, Mitchell/Conley etc.  You need depth and versatility in today's playoffs but most of all you need defense!!  So if Schlenk consolidates this roster by giving up valuable depth while Nate continues to play just 7 players even when things are not going well, this team will forever be on the treadmill!

Save the propaganda.

Wasn't Morant/Banes and Memphis one of those Defensive grind it out teams?

Wasn't  Utah.. a defensive team?

Wasn't Philly a defensive team?

Wasn't  Minny a defensive team?

Wasn't Milwaukee a defensive team?

In fact, here's your top 10 in defensive rating:

 

TEAM	GP	W	L	MIN	DEF RTG	DREB	DREB%	STL	BLK	OPP PTS OFF TOV	OPP PTS 2ND CHANCE	OPP PTS FB	OPP PTS PAINT
1	Boston Celtics	82	51	31	48.5	106.2	35.5	72.5	7.2	5.8	15.2	12.5	11.5	42.5
2	Golden State Warriors	82	53	29	48.1	106.6	35.7	73.6	8.8	4.5	16.9	12.7	12.3	43.9
3	Phoenix Suns	82	64	18	48.1	106.8	35.5	72.8	8.6	4.4	14.8	13.6	11.3	45.2
4	Miami Heat	82	53	29	48.4	108.4	33.9	73.5	7.4	3.2	16.7	12.6	12.2	41.3
5	Cleveland Cavaliers	82	44	38	48.1	108.9	34.0	72.4	7.1	4.2	17.4	12.5	12.2	46.6
6	Memphis Grizzlies	82	56	26	48.2	108.9	35.0	72.6	9.8	6.5	14.5	13.0	13.2	47.4
7	Dallas Mavericks	82	52	30	48.2	109.1	33.8	73.3	6.7	4.0	14.4	13.1	12.0	47.1
8	LA Clippers	82	42	40	48.2	109.5	34.9	70.6	7.4	5.0	16.5	15.0	13.0	50.1
9	Toronto Raptors	82	48	34	48.4	109.9	32.0	71.4	9.0	4.6	14.3	13.9	11.7	45.1
10	Utah Jazz	82	49	33	48.1	110.0	35.6	73.8	7.2	4.9	16.5	12.9	11.9	45.3

 

Cleveland and the Clipps didn't even make it to the playoffs. 

Utah and Toronto went out with us in the first round. 

You start off talking bad about offensive teams... but guess what is a better predictor?

TEAM	GP	W	L	WIN%	MIN	EFG%	FTA RATE	TOV%	OREB%	OPP EFG%	OPP FTA RATE	OPP TOV%	OPP OREB%
1	Denver Nuggets	82	48	34	.585	3,961	55.6	0.244	14.6	26.8	53.7	0.249	12.9	24.8
2	Utah Jazz	82	49	33	.598	3,946	55.5	0.271	14.3	30.0	52.1	0.216	12.3	26.2
3	Golden State Warriors	82	53	29	.646	3,946	55.2	0.235	15.0	26.9	50.9	0.265	14.7	26.4
4	Phoenix Suns	82	64	18	.780	3,946	54.9	0.221	12.9	26.4	51.0	0.257	14.6	27.2
5	Miami Heat	82	53	29	.646	3,971	54.7	0.252	14.9	27.8	52.4	0.268	15.4	26.5
6	Milwaukee Bucks	82	51	31	.622	3,951	54.6	0.257	13.3	26.9	53.6	0.220	12.9	25.3
7	Charlotte Hornets	82	43	39	.524	3,976	54.4	0.234	13.1	27.0	54.4	0.246	14.8	29.4
8	Atlanta Hawks	82	43	39	.524	3,941	54.3	0.253	12.0	26.9	54.3	0.224	12.9	26.9
9	Boston Celtics	82	51	31	.622	3,981	54.2	0.239	13.9	27.7	50.2	0.234	14.0	27.5
10	Chicago Bulls	82	46	36	.561	3,946	54.1	0.248	13.0	24.9	54.1	0.251	13.2	26.5
11	Brooklyn Nets	82	44	38	.537	3,951	54.0	0.246	14.1	28.1	52.1	0.255	13.3	29.6
12	Minnesota Timberwolves	82	46	36	.561	3,956	53.9	0.254	14.1	28.4	53.5	0.291	16.0	29.4
13	Dallas Mavericks	82	52	30	.634	3,951	53.8	0.249	13.0	25.6	52.1	0.241	13.6	26.7

 

This is listed by EFG% (something went heywire with the table) but.. offensive Effective FG%...

notice... every team in the top 13 are in the playoffs. 

Now.. the truth.. it takes a mix of offense and defense.  And honestly, the refs makes the difference.   These refs have allowed physical play from some teams.   Boston Mauled Giannis.   Miami has been allowed to beat the hell out of Embiid and our players.   And honestly, it hasn't gone both ways.

 

 

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Save the propaganda.

Wasn't Morant/Banes and Memphis one of those Defensive grind it out teams?

Wasn't  Utah.. a defensive team?

Wasn't Philly a defensive team?

Wasn't  Minny a defensive team?

Wasn't Milwaukee a defensive team?

In fact, here's your top 10 in defensive rating:

 

TEAM	GP	W	L	MIN	DEF RTG	DREB	DREB%	STL	BLK	OPP PTS OFF TOV	OPP PTS 2ND CHANCE	OPP PTS FB	OPP PTS PAINT
1	Boston Celtics	82	51	31	48.5	106.2	35.5	72.5	7.2	5.8	15.2	12.5	11.5	42.5
2	Golden State Warriors	82	53	29	48.1	106.6	35.7	73.6	8.8	4.5	16.9	12.7	12.3	43.9
3	Phoenix Suns	82	64	18	48.1	106.8	35.5	72.8	8.6	4.4	14.8	13.6	11.3	45.2
4	Miami Heat	82	53	29	48.4	108.4	33.9	73.5	7.4	3.2	16.7	12.6	12.2	41.3
5	Cleveland Cavaliers	82	44	38	48.1	108.9	34.0	72.4	7.1	4.2	17.4	12.5	12.2	46.6
6	Memphis Grizzlies	82	56	26	48.2	108.9	35.0	72.6	9.8	6.5	14.5	13.0	13.2	47.4
7	Dallas Mavericks	82	52	30	48.2	109.1	33.8	73.3	6.7	4.0	14.4	13.1	12.0	47.1
8	LA Clippers	82	42	40	48.2	109.5	34.9	70.6	7.4	5.0	16.5	15.0	13.0	50.1
9	Toronto Raptors	82	48	34	48.4	109.9	32.0	71.4	9.0	4.6	14.3	13.9	11.7	45.1
10	Utah Jazz	82	49	33	48.1	110.0	35.6	73.8	7.2	4.9	16.5	12.9	11.9	45.3

 

Cleveland and the Clipps didn't even make it to the playoffs. 

Utah and Toronto went out with us in the first round. 

You start off talking bad about offensive teams... but guess what is a better predictor?

TEAM	GP	W	L	WIN%	MIN	EFG%	FTA RATE	TOV%	OREB%	OPP EFG%	OPP FTA RATE	OPP TOV%	OPP OREB%
1	Denver Nuggets	82	48	34	.585	3,961	55.6	0.244	14.6	26.8	53.7	0.249	12.9	24.8
2	Utah Jazz	82	49	33	.598	3,946	55.5	0.271	14.3	30.0	52.1	0.216	12.3	26.2
3	Golden State Warriors	82	53	29	.646	3,946	55.2	0.235	15.0	26.9	50.9	0.265	14.7	26.4
4	Phoenix Suns	82	64	18	.780	3,946	54.9	0.221	12.9	26.4	51.0	0.257	14.6	27.2
5	Miami Heat	82	53	29	.646	3,971	54.7	0.252	14.9	27.8	52.4	0.268	15.4	26.5
6	Milwaukee Bucks	82	51	31	.622	3,951	54.6	0.257	13.3	26.9	53.6	0.220	12.9	25.3
7	Charlotte Hornets	82	43	39	.524	3,976	54.4	0.234	13.1	27.0	54.4	0.246	14.8	29.4
8	Atlanta Hawks	82	43	39	.524	3,941	54.3	0.253	12.0	26.9	54.3	0.224	12.9	26.9
9	Boston Celtics	82	51	31	.622	3,981	54.2	0.239	13.9	27.7	50.2	0.234	14.0	27.5
10	Chicago Bulls	82	46	36	.561	3,946	54.1	0.248	13.0	24.9	54.1	0.251	13.2	26.5
11	Brooklyn Nets	82	44	38	.537	3,951	54.0	0.246	14.1	28.1	52.1	0.255	13.3	29.6
12	Minnesota Timberwolves	82	46	36	.561	3,956	53.9	0.254	14.1	28.4	53.5	0.291	16.0	29.4
13	Dallas Mavericks	82	52	30	.634	3,951	53.8	0.249	13.0	25.6	52.1	0.241	13.6	26.7

 

This is listed by EFG% (something went heywire with the table) but.. offensive Effective FG%...

notice... every team in the top 13 are in the playoffs. 

Now.. the truth.. it takes a mix of offense and defense.  And honestly, the refs makes the difference.   These refs have allowed physical play from some teams.   Boston Mauled Giannis.   Miami has been allowed to beat the hell out of Embiid and our players.   And honestly, it hasn't gone both ways.

 

 

Conclusion is you need a good defense or not? I couldn't decipher your response

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Conclusion is you need a good defense or not? I couldn't decipher your response

You need BOTH...

IF Good defense were it, then Cleveland would have made the playoffs and would still be playing.  And they were a good offensive team.  They just had to play us when we were less injured. 

 

[Peoriabird]

4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You need BOTH...

IF Good defense were it, then Cleveland would have made the playoffs and would still be playing.  And they were a good offensive team.  They just had to play us when we were less injured. 

 

By the way, I dont know where you got your stats from.

Ppg allowed during the regular season

1. Boston

2. Dallas

3. Golden state

4. Miami

Post season

1. Miami

2. Milwaukee

3. Dallas

4. Boston

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

By the way, I dont know where you got your stats from.

Ppg allowed during the regular season

1. Boston

2. Dallas

3. Golden state

4. Miami

Post season

1. Miami

2. Milwaukee

3. Dallas

4. Boston

I got my stats from NBA.COM.

BTW.. PPG allowed is pace driven... I would rather you showed me FG% allowed..

TEAM	GP	W	L	MIN	OPP FGM	OPP FGA	OPP FG%	OPP 3PM	OPP 3PA	OPP 3P%	OPP FTM	OPP FTA	OPP FT%	OPP OREB	OPP DREB	OPP REB	OPP AST	OPP TOV	OPP STL	OPP BLK	OPP BLKA	OPP PF	OPP PFD	OPP PTS	+/-
1	Boston Celtics	82	51	31	48.5	38.3	88.1	43.4	11.8	34.9	33.9	16.1	20.6	78.3	10.5	33.3	43.7	21.6	13.8	7.5	4.6	5.8	19.4	18.5	104.5	-7.3
2	Golden State Warriors	82	53	29	48.1	37.9	86.6	43.8	12.2	36.0	33.9	17.4	22.9	75.9	9.7	33.0	42.6	22.9	14.5	7.9	3.9	4.5	18.0	21.0	105.5	-5.5
3	Phoenix Suns	82	64	18	48.1	39.2	88.3	44.4	11.6	34.2	34.0	17.3	22.7	76.1	10.5	33.9	44.5	22.9	14.7	7.5	4.0	4.4	18.9	19.9	107.3	-7.5
4	Miami Heat	82	53	29	48.4	37.5	84.0	44.7	13.0	38.3	33.9	17.5	22.5	77.9	9.5	32.1	41.7	23.3	15.0	7.4	4.0	3.2	20.6	20.5	105.6	-4.5
5	New York Knicks	82	37	45	48.2	38.5	86.0	44.7	12.7	37.0	34.2	17.0	22.3	76.4	9.3	34.3	43.6	24.2	12.7	7.0	4.6	4.9	20.4	20.4	106.6	0.1
6	LA Clippers	82	42	40	48.2	40.8	90.6	45.0	11.7	33.9	34.5	15.2	19.6	77.5	12.0	35.1	47.1	24.1	13.6	7.7	4.1	5.0	18.5	18.6	108.4	0.0
7	Brooklyn Nets	82	44	38	48.2	40.7	90.2	45.2	12.5	36.3	34.5	18.1	23.0	78.8	11.3	32.8	44.1	23.8	13.3	7.9	4.9	5.5	19.7	20.4	112.1	-0.8
8	Cleveland Cavaliers	82	44	38	48.1	39.5	87.2	45.2	11.7	33.2	35.3	15.0	19.4	77.4	10.5	32.4	42.9	24.1	13.4	8.4	4.6	4.2	20.0	17.5	105.7	-2.1
9	Utah Jazz	82	49	33	48.1	40.4	89.2	45.3	12.1	34.6	35.0	14.6	19.3	75.8	9.9	31.7	41.6	23.4	12.0	7.8	4.3	4.9	20.3	18.9	107.6	-6.0
10	Memphis Grizzlies	82	56	26	48.2	40.3	88.6	45.5	12.0	34.5	34.9	17.3	22.4	77.1	10.0	33.0	43.0	25.0	15.1	7.2	6.0	6.5	19.8	19.8	109.9	-5.7

That's regular season...  Knicks, Clipps, and Cavs...

TEAM	GP	W	L	MIN	OPP FGM	OPP FGA	OPP FG%	OPP 3PM	OPP 3PA	OPP 3P%	OPP FTM	OPP FTA	OPP FT%	OPP OREB	OPP DREB	OPP REB	OPP AST	OPP TOV	OPP STL	OPP BLK	OPP BLKA	OPP PF	OPP PFD	OPP PTS	+/-
1	Milwaukee Bucks	12	7	5	48.0	36.6	86.9	42.1	13.5	39.7	34.0	14.6	18.1	80.6	7.8	35.4	43.3	24.0	12.8	6.7	5.5	4.5	20.2	19.2	101.3	-1.5
2	Golden State Warriors	11	8	3	48.0	39.5	89.4	44.3	13.1	36.1	36.3	18.0	23.4	77.0	11.8	31.9	43.7	24.7	14.0	8.7	4.8	5.9	21.4	21.8	110.2	-4.0
3	Miami Heat	12	9	3	48.0	34.7	78.3	44.3	11.3	34.0	33.1	17.7	21.8	80.9	7.8	29.9	37.7	19.3	15.7	6.6	3.6	4.0	21.3	21.2	98.3	-9.8
4	Utah Jazz	6	2	4	48.0	35.8	80.7	44.4	15.5	41.8	37.1	17.5	22.2	78.9	6.0	31.7	37.7	19.3	8.7	6.5	2.3	3.7	23.2	22.0	104.7	5.7
5	Boston Celtics	12	8	4	48.0	37.9	84.8	44.7	9.4	28.6	32.9	17.9	23.3	76.8	9.9	33.5	43.4	20.0	13.5	7.2	5.7	6.2	22.0	22.5	103.2	-5.2
6	Memphis Grizzlies	12	6	6	48.0	39.1	86.6	45.1	13.7	37.6	36.4	18.3	22.8	80.2	9.6	35.7	45.3	25.0	17.9	6.8	6.8	6.1	23.8	20.8	110.1	-2.4
7	Minnesota Timberwolves	6	2	4	48.0	39.8	87.8	45.4	11.5	31.7	36.3	23.5	32.3	72.7	12.5	33.8	46.3	25.8	16.0	8.2	6.2	7.8	23.2	26.8	114.7	5.5
8	Philadelphia 76ers	12	6	6	48.4	38.5	84.7	45.5	9.7	32.3	29.9	17.5	21.8	80.5	10.0	30.0	40.0	21.1	11.7	7.1	4.2	4.3	20.5	20.6	104.2	-0.3
9	Dallas Mavericks	13	8	5	48.0	37.3	81.0	46.1	9.6	28.4	33.9	17.7	22.0	80.4	10.3	34.1	44.4	21.2	13.6	4.8	3.6	2.5	22.2	22.2	101.9	-4.3
10	Phoenix Suns	13	7	6	48.0	38.2	82.6	46.2	12.7	33.2	38.3	19.6	25.3	77.5	10.9	29.7	40.6	19.3	13.0	7.7	3.0	3.8	21.2	22.5	108.6	1.0
11	Atlanta Hawks	5	1	4	48.0	39.8	85.6	46.5	13.2	38.4	34.4	16.6	21.2	78.3	8.2	31.8	40.0	25.4	13.2	9.4	3.0	2.4	23.4	21.6	109.4	12.0

 

 

This is playoffs...

Still doesn't give you the best of pictures.. because there's an offensive component that is necessary. 

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

So wait..you are saying the Heat defense didn't shut down Trae? Or that their defense didn't determine last night's game?

I'm saying the Bucks had elite defense in the postseason and good offense and got eliminated.

But i think you can have elite offense and good defense and contend.  

[Peoriabird]

33 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I got my stats from NBA.COM.

BTW.. PPG allowed is pace driven... I would rather you showed me FG% allowed..

TEAM	GP	W	L	MIN	OPP FGM	OPP FGA	OPP FG%	OPP 3PM	OPP 3PA	OPP 3P%	OPP FTM	OPP FTA	OPP FT%	OPP OREB	OPP DREB	OPP REB	OPP AST	OPP TOV	OPP STL	OPP BLK	OPP BLKA	OPP PF	OPP PFD	OPP PTS	+/-
1	Boston Celtics	82	51	31	48.5	38.3	88.1	43.4	11.8	34.9	33.9	16.1	20.6	78.3	10.5	33.3	43.7	21.6	13.8	7.5	4.6	5.8	19.4	18.5	104.5	-7.3
2	Golden State Warriors	82	53	29	48.1	37.9	86.6	43.8	12.2	36.0	33.9	17.4	22.9	75.9	9.7	33.0	42.6	22.9	14.5	7.9	3.9	4.5	18.0	21.0	105.5	-5.5
3	Phoenix Suns	82	64	18	48.1	39.2	88.3	44.4	11.6	34.2	34.0	17.3	22.7	76.1	10.5	33.9	44.5	22.9	14.7	7.5	4.0	4.4	18.9	19.9	107.3	-7.5
4	Miami Heat	82	53	29	48.4	37.5	84.0	44.7	13.0	38.3	33.9	17.5	22.5	77.9	9.5	32.1	41.7	23.3	15.0	7.4	4.0	3.2	20.6	20.5	105.6	-4.5
5	New York Knicks	82	37	45	48.2	38.5	86.0	44.7	12.7	37.0	34.2	17.0	22.3	76.4	9.3	34.3	43.6	24.2	12.7	7.0	4.6	4.9	20.4	20.4	106.6	0.1
6	LA Clippers	82	42	40	48.2	40.8	90.6	45.0	11.7	33.9	34.5	15.2	19.6	77.5	12.0	35.1	47.1	24.1	13.6	7.7	4.1	5.0	18.5	18.6	108.4	0.0
7	Brooklyn Nets	82	44	38	48.2	40.7	90.2	45.2	12.5	36.3	34.5	18.1	23.0	78.8	11.3	32.8	44.1	23.8	13.3	7.9	4.9	5.5	19.7	20.4	112.1	-0.8
8	Cleveland Cavaliers	82	44	38	48.1	39.5	87.2	45.2	11.7	33.2	35.3	15.0	19.4	77.4	10.5	32.4	42.9	24.1	13.4	8.4	4.6	4.2	20.0	17.5	105.7	-2.1
9	Utah Jazz	82	49	33	48.1	40.4	89.2	45.3	12.1	34.6	35.0	14.6	19.3	75.8	9.9	31.7	41.6	23.4	12.0	7.8	4.3	4.9	20.3	18.9	107.6	-6.0
10	Memphis Grizzlies	82	56	26	48.2	40.3	88.6	45.5	12.0	34.5	34.9	17.3	22.4	77.1	10.0	33.0	43.0	25.0	15.1	7.2	6.0	6.5	19.8	19.8	109.9	-5.7

That's regular season...  Knicks, Clipps, and Cavs...

TEAM	GP	W	L	MIN	OPP FGM	OPP FGA	OPP FG%	OPP 3PM	OPP 3PA	OPP 3P%	OPP FTM	OPP FTA	OPP FT%	OPP OREB	OPP DREB	OPP REB	OPP AST	OPP TOV	OPP STL	OPP BLK	OPP BLKA	OPP PF	OPP PFD	OPP PTS	+/-
1	Milwaukee Bucks	12	7	5	48.0	36.6	86.9	42.1	13.5	39.7	34.0	14.6	18.1	80.6	7.8	35.4	43.3	24.0	12.8	6.7	5.5	4.5	20.2	19.2	101.3	-1.5
2	Golden State Warriors	11	8	3	48.0	39.5	89.4	44.3	13.1	36.1	36.3	18.0	23.4	77.0	11.8	31.9	43.7	24.7	14.0	8.7	4.8	5.9	21.4	21.8	110.2	-4.0
3	Miami Heat	12	9	3	48.0	34.7	78.3	44.3	11.3	34.0	33.1	17.7	21.8	80.9	7.8	29.9	37.7	19.3	15.7	6.6	3.6	4.0	21.3	21.2	98.3	-9.8
4	Utah Jazz	6	2	4	48.0	35.8	80.7	44.4	15.5	41.8	37.1	17.5	22.2	78.9	6.0	31.7	37.7	19.3	8.7	6.5	2.3	3.7	23.2	22.0	104.7	5.7
5	Boston Celtics	12	8	4	48.0	37.9	84.8	44.7	9.4	28.6	32.9	17.9	23.3	76.8	9.9	33.5	43.4	20.0	13.5	7.2	5.7	6.2	22.0	22.5	103.2	-5.2
6	Memphis Grizzlies	12	6	6	48.0	39.1	86.6	45.1	13.7	37.6	36.4	18.3	22.8	80.2	9.6	35.7	45.3	25.0	17.9	6.8	6.8	6.1	23.8	20.8	110.1	-2.4
7	Minnesota Timberwolves	6	2	4	48.0	39.8	87.8	45.4	11.5	31.7	36.3	23.5	32.3	72.7	12.5	33.8	46.3	25.8	16.0	8.2	6.2	7.8	23.2	26.8	114.7	5.5
8	Philadelphia 76ers	12	6	6	48.4	38.5	84.7	45.5	9.7	32.3	29.9	17.5	21.8	80.5	10.0	30.0	40.0	21.1	11.7	7.1	4.2	4.3	20.5	20.6	104.2	-0.3
9	Dallas Mavericks	13	8	5	48.0	37.3	81.0	46.1	9.6	28.4	33.9	17.7	22.0	80.4	10.3	34.1	44.4	21.2	13.6	4.8	3.6	2.5	22.2	22.2	101.9	-4.3
10	Phoenix Suns	13	7	6	48.0	38.2	82.6	46.2	12.7	33.2	38.3	19.6	25.3	77.5	10.9	29.7	40.6	19.3	13.0	7.7	3.0	3.8	21.2	22.5	108.6	1.0
11	Atlanta Hawks	5	1	4	48.0	39.8	85.6	46.5	13.2	38.4	34.4	16.6	21.2	78.3	8.2	31.8	40.0	25.4	13.2	9.4	3.0	2.4	23.4	21.6	109.4	12.0

 

 

This is playoffs...

Still doesn't give you the best of pictures.. because there's an offensive component that is necessary. 

Fg % allowed

Regular season

1. Miami

2. Golden State

3 Boston

4. New York

5. Toronto

6. Dallas

 

Playoffs

1. Miami

2. Utah

3. Milwaukee

4. Dallas

5. Boston

4/6 during regular season

3/5 during the playoff are still playing

If you combine the 2 seasons all teams left are top 4 defenses in the playoffs or were during the regular season.

[MaceCase]

Confirmation bias.

[Peoriabird]

15 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I'm saying the Bucks had elite defense in the postseason and good offense and got eliminated.

But i think you can have elite offense and good defense and contend.  

They got eliminated by another good defensive team lol! This ain't hard y'all!

In game 7 because they had home court advantage.