I hope you offensive junkies are watching the playoffs closely this year!


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It should be apparent that finesse teams don't have a chance in todays NBA because all of remaining teams are bringing it on defense.  Nate you better wake up and put in some sound defensive scheme to compete in the future.  All this talk about some #2 creator bs gets nullified in the playoffs.  Just ask KD/Irving, Kat/Edwards, Paul/Booker, Morant/Banes, Lavine/Derozen, Hardin/Embiid, Igram/McCollum, Mitchell/Conley etc.  You need depth and versatility in today's playoffs but most of all you need defense!!  So if Schlenk consolidates this roster by giving up valuable depth while Nate continues to play just 7 players even when things are not going well, this team will forever be on the treadmill!

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I still think we need a second creator or scorer but I wouldn’t be mad if Schlenk went full defensive overhaul if he feels that’s the best route to move forward and I mean full defensive overhaul surrounding Trae of course.

I think the point you made on needing versatility is a goal that Schlenk has been trying to do since he’s been here but it’s easier said than done of course.

I don’t think anyone has to worry about Schlenk consolidating depth to get a second star unless Schlenk and the Front Office agrees to some kind of small rebuild which is unlikely.

many of the players we are rumored for can be a 2 for 1 deal. Like Capela + Bogi for Gobert or in Aytons case Capela for Ayton would work in a SnT I believe. Im good as long as Schlenk feels very strong about the whatever player we are acquiring in a trade.

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51 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Or we could ask Tatum/Brown Luka/Brunson or Steph/Klay.   Sure Miami is there but they have 3 guys who are probably better offensive players than our #2.  

But you also just listed out that nearly EVERY team in the playoffs has 2 offensive stars so.....

Brown didn't do Jack last night

Brunson ain't even an all star...neither was Klay

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10 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Brown didn't do Jack last night

Brunson ain't even an all star...neither was Klay

This is a strawman. 

What you can say about all the teams remaining is they have multiple two way players/3 and D players. 

Versatility gets you deep in the playoffs, not just defense or all offense.  You need both.

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2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

What you can say about all the teams remaining is they have multiple two way players/3 and D players. 

Versatility gets you deep in the playoffs, not just defense or all offense.  You need both.

I created an entire thread about this very thing.

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1 minute ago, Gray Mule said:

The entire idea is to outscore your opponent by whatever means possible.  If you play outstanding defense, it is still necessary to score more than your opponent.  If you have outstanding offense, you must still stop your opponent from scoring more,

Hawks didn't.  Porous defense + poor offense = early exit from the playoffs.  

🧑‍🔧Needs fixin'

Defense leads to offense...we saw that on full display in that decisive 3rd quarter!

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2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Defense leads to offense...we saw that on full display in that decisive 3rd quarter!

I think we all agree both are needed.  Making buckets improves your defense by limiting transition opportunities.  

 The Bucks have by far the best defensive rating in the postseason.  2 points better than the heat.  But their offensive rating was worse than the Hawks and second to last in the playoffs.   They had elite defense but it didn't matter in the end because Middleton went down and they didn't have an elite wing scorer.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

I think we all agree both are needed.  Making buckets improves your defense by limiting transition opportunities.  

 The Bucks have by far the best defensive rating in the postseason.  2 points better than the heat.  But their offensive rating was worse than the Hawks and second to last in the playoffs.   They had elite defense but it didn't matter in the end because Middleton went down and they didn't have an elite wing scorer.  

 

 

So wait..you are saying the Heat defense didn't shut down Trae? Or that their defense didn't determine last night's game?

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15 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

It should be apparent that finesse teams don't have a chance in todays NBA because all of remaining teams are bringing it on defense.  Nate you better wake up and put in some sound defensive scheme to compete in the future.  All this talk about some #2 creator bs gets nullified in the playoffs.  Just ask KD/Irving, Kat/Edwards, Paul/Booker, Morant/Banes, Lavine/Derozen, Hardin/Embiid, Igram/McCollum, Mitchell/Conley etc.  You need depth and versatility in today's playoffs but most of all you need defense!!  So if Schlenk consolidates this roster by giving up valuable depth while Nate continues to play just 7 players even when things are not going well, this team will forever be on the treadmill!

Save the propaganda.

Wasn't Morant/Banes and Memphis one of those Defensive grind it out teams?

Wasn't  Utah.. a defensive team?

Wasn't Philly a defensive team?

Wasn't  Minny a defensive team?

Wasn't Milwaukee a defensive team?

In fact, here's your top 10 in defensive rating:

 


TEAM
GP W L MIN DEF RTG DREB DREB% STL BLK OPP PTS
OFF TOV
OPP PTS
2ND CHANCE
OPP PTS
FB
OPP PTS
PAINT
1 Boston Celtics 82 51 31 48.5 106.2 35.5 72.5 7.2 5.8 15.2 12.5 11.5 42.5
2 Golden State Warriors 82 53 29 48.1 106.6 35.7 73.6 8.8 4.5 16.9 12.7 12.3 43.9
3 Phoenix Suns 82 64 18 48.1 106.8 35.5 72.8 8.6 4.4 14.8 13.6 11.3 45.2
4 Miami Heat 82 53 29 48.4 108.4 33.9 73.5 7.4 3.2 16.7 12.6 12.2 41.3
5 Cleveland Cavaliers 82 44 38 48.1 108.9 34.0 72.4 7.1 4.2 17.4 12.5 12.2 46.6
6 Memphis Grizzlies 82 56 26 48.2 108.9 35.0 72.6 9.8 6.5 14.5 13.0 13.2 47.4
7 Dallas Mavericks 82 52 30 48.2 109.1 33.8 73.3 6.7 4.0 14.4 13.1 12.0 47.1
8 LA Clippers 82 42 40 48.2 109.5 34.9 70.6 7.4 5.0 16.5 15.0 13.0 50.1
9 Toronto Raptors 82 48 34 48.4 109.9 32.0 71.4 9.0 4.6 14.3 13.9 11.7 45.1
10 Utah Jazz 82 49 33 48.1 110.0 35.6 73.8 7.2 4.9 16.5 12.9 11.9 45.3

 

Cleveland and the Clipps didn't even make it to the playoffs. 

Utah and Toronto went out with us in the first round. 

You start off talking bad about offensive teams... but guess what is a better predictor?


TEAM
GP W L WIN% MIN EFG% FTA
RATE
TOV% OREB% OPP
EFG%
OPP
FTA RATE
OPP
TOV%
OPP
OREB%
1 Denver Nuggets 82 48 34 .585 3,961 55.6 0.244 14.6 26.8 53.7 0.249 12.9 24.8
2 Utah Jazz 82 49 33 .598 3,946 55.5 0.271 14.3 30.0 52.1 0.216 12.3 26.2
3 Golden State Warriors 82 53 29 .646 3,946 55.2 0.235 15.0 26.9 50.9 0.265 14.7 26.4
4 Phoenix Suns 82 64 18 .780 3,946 54.9 0.221 12.9 26.4 51.0 0.257 14.6 27.2
5 Miami Heat 82 53 29 .646 3,971 54.7 0.252 14.9 27.8 52.4 0.268 15.4 26.5
6 Milwaukee Bucks 82 51 31 .622 3,951 54.6 0.257 13.3 26.9 53.6 0.220 12.9 25.3
7 Charlotte Hornets 82 43 39 .524 3,976 54.4 0.234 13.1 27.0 54.4 0.246 14.8 29.4
8 Atlanta Hawks 82 43 39 .524 3,941 54.3 0.253 12.0 26.9 54.3 0.224 12.9 26.9
9 Boston Celtics 82 51 31 .622 3,981 54.2 0.239 13.9 27.7 50.2 0.234 14.0 27.5
10 Chicago Bulls 82 46 36 .561 3,946 54.1 0.248 13.0 24.9 54.1 0.251 13.2 26.5
11 Brooklyn Nets 82 44 38 .537 3,951 54.0 0.246 14.1 28.1 52.1 0.255 13.3 29.6
12 Minnesota Timberwolves 82 46 36 .561 3,956 53.9 0.254 14.1 28.4 53.5 0.291 16.0 29.4
13 Dallas Mavericks 82 52 30 .634 3,951 53.8 0.249 13.0 25.6 52.1 0.241 13.6 26.7

 

This is listed by EFG% (something went heywire with the table) but.. offensive Effective FG%...

notice... every team in the top 13 are in the playoffs. 

Now.. the truth.. it takes a mix of offense and defense.  And honestly, the refs makes the difference.   These refs have allowed physical play from some teams.   Boston Mauled Giannis.   Miami has been allowed to beat the hell out of Embiid and our players.   And honestly, it hasn't gone both ways.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Save the propaganda.

Wasn't Morant/Banes and Memphis one of those Defensive grind it out teams?

Wasn't  Utah.. a defensive team?

Wasn't Philly a defensive team?

Wasn't  Minny a defensive team?

Wasn't Milwaukee a defensive team?

In fact, here's your top 10 in defensive rating:

 


TEAM
GP W L MIN DEF RTG DREB DREB% STL BLK OPP PTS
OFF TOV
OPP PTS
2ND CHANCE
OPP PTS
FB
OPP PTS
PAINT
1 Boston Celtics 82 51 31 48.5 106.2 35.5 72.5 7.2 5.8 15.2 12.5 11.5 42.5
2 Golden State Warriors 82 53 29 48.1 106.6 35.7 73.6 8.8 4.5 16.9 12.7 12.3 43.9
3 Phoenix Suns 82 64 18 48.1 106.8 35.5 72.8 8.6 4.4 14.8 13.6 11.3 45.2
4 Miami Heat 82 53 29 48.4 108.4 33.9 73.5 7.4 3.2 16.7 12.6 12.2 41.3
5 Cleveland Cavaliers 82 44 38 48.1 108.9 34.0 72.4 7.1 4.2 17.4 12.5 12.2 46.6
6 Memphis Grizzlies 82 56 26 48.2 108.9 35.0 72.6 9.8 6.5 14.5 13.0 13.2 47.4
7 Dallas Mavericks 82 52 30 48.2 109.1 33.8 73.3 6.7 4.0 14.4 13.1 12.0 47.1
8 LA Clippers 82 42 40 48.2 109.5 34.9 70.6 7.4 5.0 16.5 15.0 13.0 50.1
9 Toronto Raptors 82 48 34 48.4 109.9 32.0 71.4 9.0 4.6 14.3 13.9 11.7 45.1
10 Utah Jazz 82 49 33 48.1 110.0 35.6 73.8 7.2 4.9 16.5 12.9 11.9 45.3

 

Cleveland and the Clipps didn't even make it to the playoffs. 

Utah and Toronto went out with us in the first round. 

You start off talking bad about offensive teams... but guess what is a better predictor?


TEAM
GP W L WIN% MIN EFG% FTA
RATE
TOV% OREB% OPP
EFG%
OPP
FTA RATE
OPP
TOV%
OPP
OREB%
1 Denver Nuggets 82 48 34 .585 3,961 55.6 0.244 14.6 26.8 53.7 0.249 12.9 24.8
2 Utah Jazz 82 49 33 .598 3,946 55.5 0.271 14.3 30.0 52.1 0.216 12.3 26.2
3 Golden State Warriors 82 53 29 .646 3,946 55.2 0.235 15.0 26.9 50.9 0.265 14.7 26.4
4 Phoenix Suns 82 64 18 .780 3,946 54.9 0.221 12.9 26.4 51.0 0.257 14.6 27.2
5 Miami Heat 82 53 29 .646 3,971 54.7 0.252 14.9 27.8 52.4 0.268 15.4 26.5
6 Milwaukee Bucks 82 51 31 .622 3,951 54.6 0.257 13.3 26.9 53.6 0.220 12.9 25.3
7 Charlotte Hornets 82 43 39 .524 3,976 54.4 0.234 13.1 27.0 54.4 0.246 14.8 29.4
8 Atlanta Hawks 82 43 39 .524 3,941 54.3 0.253 12.0 26.9 54.3 0.224 12.9 26.9
9 Boston Celtics 82 51 31 .622 3,981 54.2 0.239 13.9 27.7 50.2 0.234 14.0 27.5
10 Chicago Bulls 82 46 36 .561 3,946 54.1 0.248 13.0 24.9 54.1 0.251 13.2 26.5
11 Brooklyn Nets 82 44 38 .537 3,951 54.0 0.246 14.1 28.1 52.1 0.255 13.3 29.6
12 Minnesota Timberwolves 82 46 36 .561 3,956 53.9 0.254 14.1 28.4 53.5 0.291 16.0 29.4
13 Dallas Mavericks 82 52 30 .634 3,951 53.8 0.249 13.0 25.6 52.1 0.241 13.6 26.7

 

This is listed by EFG% (something went heywire with the table) but.. offensive Effective FG%...

notice... every team in the top 13 are in the playoffs. 

Now.. the truth.. it takes a mix of offense and defense.  And honestly, the refs makes the difference.   These refs have allowed physical play from some teams.   Boston Mauled Giannis.   Miami has been allowed to beat the hell out of Embiid and our players.   And honestly, it hasn't gone both ways.

 

 

Conclusion is you need a good defense or not? I couldn't decipher your response

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6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Conclusion is you need a good defense or not? I couldn't decipher your response

You need BOTH...

IF Good defense were it, then Cleveland would have made the playoffs and would still be playing.  And they were a good offensive team.  They just had to play us when we were less injured. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You need BOTH...

IF Good defense were it, then Cleveland would have made the playoffs and would still be playing.  And they were a good offensive team.  They just had to play us when we were less injured. 

 

By the way, I dont know where you got your stats from.

Ppg allowed during the regular season

1. Boston

2. Dallas

3. Golden state

4. Miami

Post season

1. Miami

2. Milwaukee

3. Dallas

4. Boston

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3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

By the way, I dont know where you got your stats from.

Ppg allowed during the regular season

1. Boston

2. Dallas

3. Golden state

4. Miami

Post season

1. Miami

2. Milwaukee

3. Dallas

4. Boston

I got my stats from NBA.COM.

BTW.. PPG allowed is pace driven... I would rather you showed me FG% allowed..


TEAM
GP W L MIN OPP
FGM
OPP
FGA
OPP
FG%
OPP
3PM
OPP
3PA
OPP
3P%
OPP
FTM
OPP
FTA
OPP
FT%
OPP
OREB
OPP
DREB
OPP
REB
OPP
AST
OPP
TOV
OPP
STL
OPP
BLK
OPP
BLKA
OPP
PF
OPP
PFD
OPP
PTS
+/-
1 Boston Celtics 82 51 31 48.5 38.3 88.1 43.4 11.8 34.9 33.9 16.1 20.6 78.3 10.5 33.3 43.7 21.6 13.8 7.5 4.6 5.8 19.4 18.5 104.5 -7.3
2 Golden State Warriors 82 53 29 48.1 37.9 86.6 43.8 12.2 36.0 33.9 17.4 22.9 75.9 9.7 33.0 42.6 22.9 14.5 7.9 3.9 4.5 18.0 21.0 105.5 -5.5
3 Phoenix Suns 82 64 18 48.1 39.2 88.3 44.4 11.6 34.2 34.0 17.3 22.7 76.1 10.5 33.9 44.5 22.9 14.7 7.5 4.0 4.4 18.9 19.9 107.3 -7.5
4 Miami Heat 82 53 29 48.4 37.5 84.0 44.7 13.0 38.3 33.9 17.5 22.5 77.9 9.5 32.1 41.7 23.3 15.0 7.4 4.0 3.2 20.6 20.5 105.6 -4.5
5 New York Knicks 82 37 45 48.2 38.5 86.0 44.7 12.7 37.0 34.2 17.0 22.3 76.4 9.3 34.3 43.6 24.2 12.7 7.0 4.6 4.9 20.4 20.4 106.6 0.1
6 LA Clippers 82 42 40 48.2 40.8 90.6 45.0 11.7 33.9 34.5 15.2 19.6 77.5 12.0 35.1 47.1 24.1 13.6 7.7 4.1 5.0 18.5 18.6 108.4 0.0
7 Brooklyn Nets 82 44 38 48.2 40.7 90.2 45.2 12.5 36.3 34.5 18.1 23.0 78.8 11.3 32.8 44.1 23.8 13.3 7.9 4.9 5.5 19.7 20.4 112.1 -0.8
8 Cleveland Cavaliers 82 44 38 48.1 39.5 87.2 45.2 11.7 33.2 35.3 15.0 19.4 77.4 10.5 32.4 42.9 24.1 13.4 8.4 4.6 4.2 20.0 17.5 105.7 -2.1
9 Utah Jazz 82 49 33 48.1 40.4 89.2 45.3 12.1 34.6 35.0 14.6 19.3 75.8 9.9 31.7 41.6 23.4 12.0 7.8 4.3 4.9 20.3 18.9 107.6 -6.0
10 Memphis Grizzlies 82 56 26 48.2 40.3 88.6 45.5 12.0 34.5 34.9 17.3 22.4 77.1 10.0 33.0 43.0 25.0 15.1 7.2 6.0 6.5 19.8 19.8 109.9 -5.7

That's regular season...  Knicks, Clipps, and Cavs...


TEAM
GP W L MIN OPP
FGM
OPP
FGA
OPP
FG%
OPP
3PM
OPP
3PA
OPP
3P%
OPP
FTM
OPP
FTA
OPP
FT%
OPP
OREB
OPP
DREB
OPP
REB
OPP
AST
OPP
TOV
OPP
STL
OPP
BLK
OPP
BLKA
OPP
PF
OPP
PFD
OPP
PTS
+/-
1 Milwaukee Bucks 12 7 5 48.0 36.6 86.9 42.1 13.5 39.7 34.0 14.6 18.1 80.6 7.8 35.4 43.3 24.0 12.8 6.7 5.5 4.5 20.2 19.2 101.3 -1.5
2 Golden State Warriors 11 8 3 48.0 39.5 89.4 44.3 13.1 36.1 36.3 18.0 23.4 77.0 11.8 31.9 43.7 24.7 14.0 8.7 4.8 5.9 21.4 21.8 110.2 -4.0
3 Miami Heat 12 9 3 48.0 34.7 78.3 44.3 11.3 34.0 33.1 17.7 21.8 80.9 7.8 29.9 37.7 19.3 15.7 6.6 3.6 4.0 21.3 21.2 98.3 -9.8
4 Utah Jazz 6 2 4 48.0 35.8 80.7 44.4 15.5 41.8 37.1 17.5 22.2 78.9 6.0 31.7 37.7 19.3 8.7 6.5 2.3 3.7 23.2 22.0 104.7 5.7
5 Boston Celtics 12 8 4 48.0 37.9 84.8 44.7 9.4 28.6 32.9 17.9 23.3 76.8 9.9 33.5 43.4 20.0 13.5 7.2 5.7 6.2 22.0 22.5 103.2 -5.2
6 Memphis Grizzlies 12 6 6 48.0 39.1 86.6 45.1 13.7 37.6 36.4 18.3 22.8 80.2 9.6 35.7 45.3 25.0 17.9 6.8 6.8 6.1 23.8 20.8 110.1 -2.4
7 Minnesota Timberwolves 6 2 4 48.0 39.8 87.8 45.4 11.5 31.7 36.3 23.5 32.3 72.7 12.5 33.8 46.3 25.8 16.0 8.2 6.2 7.8 23.2 26.8 114.7 5.5
8 Philadelphia 76ers 12 6 6 48.4 38.5 84.7 45.5 9.7 32.3 29.9 17.5 21.8 80.5 10.0 30.0 40.0 21.1 11.7 7.1 4.2 4.3 20.5 20.6 104.2 -0.3
9 Dallas Mavericks 13 8 5 48.0 37.3 81.0 46.1 9.6 28.4 33.9 17.7 22.0 80.4 10.3 34.1 44.4 21.2 13.6 4.8 3.6 2.5 22.2 22.2 101.9 -4.3
10 Phoenix Suns 13 7 6 48.0 38.2 82.6 46.2 12.7 33.2 38.3 19.6 25.3 77.5 10.9 29.7 40.6 19.3 13.0 7.7 3.0 3.8 21.2 22.5 108.6 1.0
11 Atlanta Hawks 5 1 4 48.0 39.8 85.6 46.5 13.2 38.4 34.4 16.6 21.2 78.3 8.2 31.8 40.0 25.4 13.2 9.4 3.0 2.4 23.4 21.6 109.4 12.0

 

 

This is playoffs...

Still doesn't give you the best of pictures.. because there's an offensive component that is necessary. 

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1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

So wait..you are saying the Heat defense didn't shut down Trae? Or that their defense didn't determine last night's game?

I'm saying the Bucks had elite defense in the postseason and good offense and got eliminated.

But i think you can have elite offense and good defense and contend.  

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33 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I got my stats from NBA.COM.

BTW.. PPG allowed is pace driven... I would rather you showed me FG% allowed..


TEAM
GP W L MIN OPP
FGM
OPP
FGA
OPP
FG%
OPP
3PM
OPP
3PA
OPP
3P%
OPP
FTM
OPP
FTA
OPP
FT%
OPP
OREB
OPP
DREB
OPP
REB
OPP
AST
OPP
TOV
OPP
STL
OPP
BLK
OPP
BLKA
OPP
PF
OPP
PFD
OPP
PTS
+/-
1 Boston Celtics 82 51 31 48.5 38.3 88.1 43.4 11.8 34.9 33.9 16.1 20.6 78.3 10.5 33.3 43.7 21.6 13.8 7.5 4.6 5.8 19.4 18.5 104.5 -7.3
2 Golden State Warriors 82 53 29 48.1 37.9 86.6 43.8 12.2 36.0 33.9 17.4 22.9 75.9 9.7 33.0 42.6 22.9 14.5 7.9 3.9 4.5 18.0 21.0 105.5 -5.5
3 Phoenix Suns 82 64 18 48.1 39.2 88.3 44.4 11.6 34.2 34.0 17.3 22.7 76.1 10.5 33.9 44.5 22.9 14.7 7.5 4.0 4.4 18.9 19.9 107.3 -7.5
4 Miami Heat 82 53 29 48.4 37.5 84.0 44.7 13.0 38.3 33.9 17.5 22.5 77.9 9.5 32.1 41.7 23.3 15.0 7.4 4.0 3.2 20.6 20.5 105.6 -4.5
5 New York Knicks 82 37 45 48.2 38.5 86.0 44.7 12.7 37.0 34.2 17.0 22.3 76.4 9.3 34.3 43.6 24.2 12.7 7.0 4.6 4.9 20.4 20.4 106.6 0.1
6 LA Clippers 82 42 40 48.2 40.8 90.6 45.0 11.7 33.9 34.5 15.2 19.6 77.5 12.0 35.1 47.1 24.1 13.6 7.7 4.1 5.0 18.5 18.6 108.4 0.0
7 Brooklyn Nets 82 44 38 48.2 40.7 90.2 45.2 12.5 36.3 34.5 18.1 23.0 78.8 11.3 32.8 44.1 23.8 13.3 7.9 4.9 5.5 19.7 20.4 112.1 -0.8
8 Cleveland Cavaliers 82 44 38 48.1 39.5 87.2 45.2 11.7 33.2 35.3 15.0 19.4 77.4 10.5 32.4 42.9 24.1 13.4 8.4 4.6 4.2 20.0 17.5 105.7 -2.1
9 Utah Jazz 82 49 33 48.1 40.4 89.2 45.3 12.1 34.6 35.0 14.6 19.3 75.8 9.9 31.7 41.6 23.4 12.0 7.8 4.3 4.9 20.3 18.9 107.6 -6.0
10 Memphis Grizzlies 82 56 26 48.2 40.3 88.6 45.5 12.0 34.5 34.9 17.3 22.4 77.1 10.0 33.0 43.0 25.0 15.1 7.2 6.0 6.5 19.8 19.8 109.9 -5.7

That's regular season...  Knicks, Clipps, and Cavs...


TEAM
GP W L MIN OPP
FGM
OPP
FGA
OPP
FG%
OPP
3PM
OPP
3PA
OPP
3P%
OPP
FTM
OPP
FTA
OPP
FT%
OPP
OREB
OPP
DREB
OPP
REB
OPP
AST
OPP
TOV
OPP
STL
OPP
BLK
OPP
BLKA
OPP
PF
OPP
PFD
OPP
PTS
+/-
1 Milwaukee Bucks 12 7 5 48.0 36.6 86.9 42.1 13.5 39.7 34.0 14.6 18.1 80.6 7.8 35.4 43.3 24.0 12.8 6.7 5.5 4.5 20.2 19.2 101.3 -1.5
2 Golden State Warriors 11 8 3 48.0 39.5 89.4 44.3 13.1 36.1 36.3 18.0 23.4 77.0 11.8 31.9 43.7 24.7 14.0 8.7 4.8 5.9 21.4 21.8 110.2 -4.0
3 Miami Heat 12 9 3 48.0 34.7 78.3 44.3 11.3 34.0 33.1 17.7 21.8 80.9 7.8 29.9 37.7 19.3 15.7 6.6 3.6 4.0 21.3 21.2 98.3 -9.8
4 Utah Jazz 6 2 4 48.0 35.8 80.7 44.4 15.5 41.8 37.1 17.5 22.2 78.9 6.0 31.7 37.7 19.3 8.7 6.5 2.3 3.7 23.2 22.0 104.7 5.7
5 Boston Celtics 12 8 4 48.0 37.9 84.8 44.7 9.4 28.6 32.9 17.9 23.3 76.8 9.9 33.5 43.4 20.0 13.5 7.2 5.7 6.2 22.0 22.5 103.2 -5.2
6 Memphis Grizzlies 12 6 6 48.0 39.1 86.6 45.1 13.7 37.6 36.4 18.3 22.8 80.2 9.6 35.7 45.3 25.0 17.9 6.8 6.8 6.1 23.8 20.8 110.1 -2.4
7 Minnesota Timberwolves 6 2 4 48.0 39.8 87.8 45.4 11.5 31.7 36.3 23.5 32.3 72.7 12.5 33.8 46.3 25.8 16.0 8.2 6.2 7.8 23.2 26.8 114.7 5.5
8 Philadelphia 76ers 12 6 6 48.4 38.5 84.7 45.5 9.7 32.3 29.9 17.5 21.8 80.5 10.0 30.0 40.0 21.1 11.7 7.1 4.2 4.3 20.5 20.6 104.2 -0.3
9 Dallas Mavericks 13 8 5 48.0 37.3 81.0 46.1 9.6 28.4 33.9 17.7 22.0 80.4 10.3 34.1 44.4 21.2 13.6 4.8 3.6 2.5 22.2 22.2 101.9 -4.3
10 Phoenix Suns 13 7 6 48.0 38.2 82.6 46.2 12.7 33.2 38.3 19.6 25.3 77.5 10.9 29.7 40.6 19.3 13.0 7.7 3.0 3.8 21.2 22.5 108.6 1.0
11 Atlanta Hawks 5 1 4 48.0 39.8 85.6 46.5 13.2 38.4 34.4 16.6 21.2 78.3 8.2 31.8 40.0 25.4 13.2 9.4 3.0 2.4 23.4 21.6 109.4 12.0

 

 

This is playoffs...

Still doesn't give you the best of pictures.. because there's an offensive component that is necessary. 

Fg % allowed

Regular season

1. Miami

2. Golden State

3 Boston

4. New York

5. Toronto

6. Dallas

 

Playoffs

1. Miami

2. Utah

3. Milwaukee

4. Dallas

5. Boston

4/6 during regular season

3/5 during the playoff are still playing

If you combine the 2 seasons all teams left are top 4 defenses in the playoffs or were during the regular season.

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15 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I'm saying the Bucks had elite defense in the postseason and good offense and got eliminated.

But i think you can have elite offense and good defense and contend.  

They got eliminated by another good defensive team lol! This ain't hard y'all!

In game 7 because they had home court advantage.

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